Well played boys, well played!
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- Thread: **** Georgia
I have a confession...we're on a mini-vacation in Dillard GA. Watched the 1st half of the game and was really pissed at what I saw from us offensively. So much so that I agreed to go to Helen GA and listen to the remainder on c2 jr's phone. OK, so they were celebrating Oktoberfest, but I was still irate with the O performance! A nice large stein of Eidinger Weiss Brau did help dull my pain, however.
I haven't read any of the posts, so forgive any redundancy. I did look at a few stats that were concerning (another Eidiger, please). So here goes:
- For a while, it looked like our best offense was actually our defense. Of course, they actually played their part pretty well, in the first half that is. They held the "vaunted" Tiger O and their SEC-leading QB in check (5 consecutive 3-and-outs, 2 pick-sixes). Then, as if on cue, Mizzou began gnashing us on the ground. Mercifully, the half ended. Unfortunately, our penchant for lacsidasical defensive play when leading in the 2nd half continued and we conceded 250+ to the Tigers on the ground. To me, this is as much a coaching problem that has not been properly addressed and corrected as it is a player issue. Not a characteristic of a winning program, especially against a bad Missouri team.
- I owe Austin Appleby an apology, as I was looking forward to the return of Luke. What a performance . If I was King Arthur, I'd dub him "Sir Underthrow." He should have been picked 5 or 6 times. We can't really expect to beat a quality team, especially if they load up to stop the run, with QB play like this. Mac said that he really ate him up post game. Well, he should have. I'm going to Jax for the first time since '93 and I'll really be pissed if we cough up a hair ball against the dogs behind this type of QB performance. Another defensive decline won't help matters either. Sheesh!
- Although Thompson and Perine had some good runs and Scarlett fumbled on the goal line (or thereabouts), I'm past tired of the committee approach. Scarlett is our best back. I also tried to pay attention to him in pass pro. He didn't look lost and made some blocks, though a few of the OL guys did their best turnstile impersonations quite often (Sharpe and Jordan, I'm talking to you), and he couldn't pick them all up. My theory is that Mac fears hurting some of their feelings. If so, he should know that running 2nd and 3rd string should motivate those players to work harder to get better.
- Speaking of offense, can someone tell me why we passed so much on 1st down? Also, why did we stretch or sweep to the short side of the field so often? I can only scratch my head.
- F***ing penalties. How many procedure penalties do we have to get before they are corrected? Sharpe seemed to have one every other play, but I guess he needed a head start to keep the Tiger DE from eating his @ss up. Callaway with two in the 1st half. It defies football logic.
- Hope Davis is ok. Saw where his MRI revealed no broken bones. Kid was pretty salty today. He exploded past blockers and ate up the Tiger backs on several occasions. He and Anzalone are a good pair. Gotta stay healthy, though.
- Patchwork DL looked pretty good in the 1st half, especially CeCe at DE (he's too light in the @ss to play inside right now). I think we've got some good young guys in this group, they just need seasoning. But let's be clear, they really aren't guys you'd expect to come in and shut down the likes of Bama as freshmen. Again, they need seasoning and we need to recruit some guys that can bring an immediate impact against the best on the schedule.
Not a bad start for Tim
- Thread: A Heart-Tug Story
'cause its off-season I thought I'd do an addendumb true tale of my cousin whom I've told one on before.
Not sports, but since this forum houses my highest quota buddies, I intro it here.
This cousin mixes all the albums for Greg Almond and for 38 Special. Cuz Rodney was working in
his basement recording studio in Atlanta, with another music-man of high-caliber (see the tie-in 38 Special).
Rodney mentioned: "There it is again. I've been getting some odd feelings in my chest lately."
Friend: "Rodney, I insist you let me get you an appointment with my heart doctor."
Friend called him right then that night. 8AM next day Rodney sits in Doc's office, all tests run.
They exchange info, learning about each other.( Not gonna let that info cat out the bag just yet.)
Anyway, this is one of the best heart surgeons in the U.S.
Doc says: "Rodney, I fix hearts. Your heart needs me, needs surgery."
Rodney ... "Well, I've got to fly off to mix an album in a couple of days."
Doc rolls up close, "Rodney, I want you to walk with me across that street to my hospital and let me get
you admitted for bypass surgery first thing tomorrow morning."
Next morning, out to anesthesia Rodney gets his heart fixed. Now this is the kicker = This renown heart
surgeon has always performed surgery while the OR PA-system pipes in "Second Chance" by 38 Special !
>has the line "this heart deserves a second chance". Rodney recorded that. Small world ... when you're big.
- Thread: Gators Survive; Noles Dead Ahead
Coaches sometimes talk about their teams overlooking presumably overmatched opponents despite every effort they make to get them to focus as if they were playing a better team or rival. Hundreds of David and Goliath outcomes through the history off sports have resulted. One colleague described it as being "the fear of starting the game with the lights off and then being unable to find the switch in the dark!" That was almost our fate today. The light flickered until Treon hit McGee, who made a nifty move, for the game winner. Of course, it went pitch black again on the PAT. Luckily, Brian Poole had enough light and opened his eyes to make the final play for the win (because he didn't see shti the play before!).
We survived. That's about the best that can be said IMO. Mac can say that this team finds a way to win, and I'll agree with him with regard to previous games, but not today. With the help of a 2 win opponent, we found a way to not lose. Is there a difference? I think so. In this game we had so many opportunities to shake off the slow start and run away and hide in the 2nd half, but each time we found a way to let them back in. We didn't make the plays we had to make early on. Thank goodness we made the last one of the game. If there is a bit of a silver lining, historically we have been knocked back into consciousness after games like this and played well.
Anyhow, enough mullygrubbing. Here are a few observations:
*To overstate the obvious, the OL was about 1500 lbs of horse manure today. Why this group of all our position groups thought they could just show up and dominate is beyond me. They were physically whipped for all but what seemed like a handful of plays. They all need to kiss KT's @ss or buy him a steak. Probably Treon, too.
*Been reading about Demarcus Robinson's likely entry into the draft. He'll probably get snagged, but a pro would have hung onto the one he dropped, erasing a TD.
*Without a wide angle view, it's hard to tell from the TV, but I can't believe that FAU had us completely covered on all the roll outs where Treon was either sacked, ran out of bounds, turned it over, or threw it away. I thought I saw a couple of guys open (McGee for one) on a couple of these. Andre Ware was right about his internal clock and it's obvious that his vision narrows greatly when flushed. I thought we were going to have a chance to win at the end until he missed an open Powell on the 3rd down play. Thankfully he hit the one we needed in OT.
*Austin Hardin (shakes head). Misses one off the left goal post. Misses the next wide right (over correction?). Has the PAT in OT blocked. Let the Dentist kick.
*I have lost no faith in Coach Mac and love to hear his comments and pressers. But I cringed a little when he earlier described FAU as probably having a roster full of guys who wanted to be Gators! In reality, the bulletin board material wasn't nearly the factor that our obvious overlooking them was, but when we barely won in OT, it made us and Mac look like "Ned and the Third Reader."
There were some positives today (KT, Callaway's return and TD catch, Poole's final play, Bullard not being injured and out, etc.) and thankfully they were enough. The first principal I worked for many years ago told me that sometimes we are forced to learn lessons through our @ss when our head fails to do so! Hoping this is the case as those lessons (maybe because of the embarrassment) last a while. We'll know if that's so these next couple of weeks. Noles dead ahead. Go Gators!
I'm going to apologize for a few things before getting started: First to L-boy, as some of this could probably fit in your post-game thread; second to the GC members nice enough to read for a somewhat negative title ( but dammit there were a lot of negatives today!); and third to the women and children and any other hyper-sensitive Gator "fans" for any profanity, offensive non-PC opinions, and my version of football truth.
Now that I've got that out of the way I'll start by saying we probably had no business winning that game based on the way we played for all but the chronological duration of the final TD drive, and I'm including in the sh!tty play on the final defensive series. The defense made a few big plays, but were atrocious for the greater part of the game, primarily because they likely missed twice or three times as many tackles as they actually made! Gator Mac (and others) addressed this in L-boy's thread, so others have noticed. We've seen this prior to this afternoon, but today was the pinnacle. I said last week that if we play like this against LSU, Fournette will clinch the Heisman against us. I'm going to add that he'll also probably severely injure several of our defenders. Collins will get the blame for this unit and how they played, and rightfully so, but part goes to the players themselves. This grabbing BS, half-@ss pursuit angles, false steps by LBs/Safeties, playing high as a camel c0ck, and generally waiting for somebody else to make a play much of the time is not Gator defense and I can only hope and pray that this is straightened out, and soon. But who am I kidding? The way the rules have been adjusted, this type of horse manure happens more now than it ever did and will likely continue. What has my beloved defensive football become?
Offensively, it starts with Grier, who went from sugar to sh!t and back to sugar (thank goodness). He's going to have to be more consistent, more patient, and be able to slow the passing game down enough so that he can accurately read pre-snap what the coverages (and blitzes) will be and quickly process where the ball must go. On the positive side, our final drive might be one we remember for a long time and two plays showed us where he is and where I think he is heading. The TD toss to Powell was both timely and a great throw, especially considering that he released the ball close enough to his out cut that the defender couldn't make a play on it and only a few plays before we ran essentially the same play and held the ball until Powell was well into his cut and the defender was able to make an easy break up. Kudos are deserved for Calloway (our Go-To guy?), McGee, Powell, and Taylor. None, however, for Nussmeier. A lot of predictable and pedestrian calls, but perhaps that belies the cumulative inexperience of our offensive personnel and the heretofore unwillingness of some of the skills to step up? Also, the 4th down efficiency was phenomenal!
Mac might not have had his best day, either. Easy to second-guess some of his decisions, though he followed the cook book on the final FG attempt and it is easy armchair that one at 00:00. Might should have challenged the "fumble" by the UT back on the bench route that was ruled an incompletion. Truthfully, this might be an indicator of just what a huge job he has putting this team back together and growing them into a championship caliber team.
Alright, I've vented and as I reflect I'm not unhappy by any means that we won. As bad as it looked for most of the game, it was a win we needed (if not HOW we needed it to happen). Myself and the rest of us should, I suppose, remember that this team was predicted by many to only win seven games by the pundits and amateurs alike. Well, we haven't won seven yet, but we're over half way there and snatched victory from the jaws of a heated rival, thereby extending our streak over them to eleven and sending Butch Jones (who incidentally reminds me of McCauly Culkin's older brother in Home Alone) back to the drawing board (and the liquor store) yet again. I'll be looking for improvement in all phases the next time we tee it up. That would be a great indicator of how the team is actually maturing and the job the staff is doing. Go Gators!
"Don't call it a Comeback
I've been here for years
I'm rockin' my peers
Puttin' suckers in fear
Makin' the tears rain down like a monsoon
Listen to the bass go Boom
Over the competition I'm towerin'..."
LL Cool J, arguably describing where we were and where we are trying to get back to!
I'm borrowing this from another board. Good info on class rankings and championships:
BLUF: if you can average top 8 classes, 60% blue-chip (11/12 4-stars & 2 5-stars per class) you have a good shot at competing for a championship. Even better, if you can add a dynamic QB your chances greatly improve (Clemson's natty team (w/ Watson) average ranking was 12.75 & Auburn's (w/ Newton) was 14.75).
So I decided to dive back into my numbers for recruiting rankings and what is needed to win a championship. I used the composite rankings and went all the way back to Texas’ 2005 national championship. I chose this starting point because the data is pretty unreliable on recruiting classes up until about 2002, the composite rankings go back to 1999, but the data is all over the place.
What I did was take the four classes that signed with the school that won the national championship prior to them winning. For example for Texas’ 2005 championship I took the data from their 2002-2005 classes. So here is what I go after redoing the numbers.
If you just compile all of the classes together for all of the teams you get an average class ranking of 7 (6.69). In those classes teams signed on average of 24 (24.31) recruits. Of those recruits signed 2 (2.45) where five star recruits and 11 (11.36) were four star recruits. The average blue chip percentage of those classes was 57% (56.91%). Finally, the average rating of those classes was a 90.29.
I then decided to look at it a different way so I took the average of each individual champion’s four classes and then averaged those out. For example if you look at Texas’ average it was 7.75. LSU’s championship in 2007 was also 7.75. Florida’s in 2006 was 5, and so forth and so on. So I took all of those averages and put them together to see what I got. The numbers actually went up a little.
The average national ranking rose to 6. The average number of recruits signed was about the same at 24.50. the average number of five star recruits was almost the same a 2.63, but the average number of four stars rose to 12. The average blue chip percentage rose as well to 59.52%. Finally the average rating of those classes was 90.55.
Now one could argue that those numbers are severely skewed by Alabama’s ridiculous run of classes from their 2015 and 2017 championships, so what happens if you take them out? The average ranking drops to 7 (6.91). The average number of commits drops to 24 (24.27). The number of five stars stays around 2 (2.16). The number of four stars drops to 11 (11.48). The blue chip percentage drops to 56% (56.14%). The overall average rating is 90.22.
Now that data still includes all of Alabama’s classes from their 2011 and 2012 championships that were ranked in the top 3 (2.75) over that span so I decided to level the playing field even more and take them out as well. Who’s going to recruit as well as Alabama consistently? Georgia maybe, but that’s still to be determined. Now I left in the data from Alabama’s first championship of the Saban era for two reasons. One people love to specifically point to it as a barometer and the data was fairly average. I mean their average ranking was 7.75 for that championship team. So what did we end up with?
The average class ranking goes to 8 (7.89). The average number of recruits is 24 (23.78). The number of five stars is still 2 (1.97). The average number of four stars is still 11 (10.58). The average blue chip percentage drops to 53% (53.14%). The average overall rating was 89.70.
Now there are still two huge outliers in this data, the 2010 Auburn championship and the 2016 Clemson championship. The Clemson team’s average ranking was 12.75 and Auburn’s was a crazy 14.75. That’s an average of 13.75. We all know that those teams also both had transcendent QBs, that without, neither would have won, so what happens if we take out the outliers as well and look at the data. I mean if we’re going to take out the crazy top classes Alabama has averaged we might as well take out the classes that on average were 8 (7.54) places below the rest of the group.
When you crunch those numbers you get an average ranking of 6 (6.21). The average number of commits was 23 (23.21). The number of five stars was 2 (2.29). The number of four stars was 11 (11.11). The blue chip percentage was 57% (57.34%). The overall average rating was 90.13.
Just for fun if you look at the 2006 and 2008 championship teams UF had the average ranking was 5, the number of commits was 23 (22.75), the number of five stars was 3 (2.63), the number of four stars was 11 (11.25), the blue chip percentage was 60% (59.69%), and the average overall rating was 89.67.
So what does all of this mean? For some it won’t mean anything, but to me the key numbers to hit are to sign the 6th to 7th ranked recruiting class. You should sign a minimum of 23 commits. Those commits should include at least 2 five stars and 11 four stars, the blue chip percentage should not be any lower than 55%. Finally, the average rating of the class should be a 90 at a minimum.
Right now I’m looking at what it would take to sign a class like that by looking at how many recruits are ranked in that average rating year after year to give an idea on what the average recruit should be ranked that we sign.
- Thread: The National Signing Day Thread
- Thread: The National Signing Day Thread
Want to rethink this statement "you can't argue with those numbers?"
- Thread: The National Signing Day Thread
Jeez! To laud or debase this class based on one or a few criteria or comparisons with previous coaches is laughable.
Did Mullen and team pull in enough quality players at positions of need to seemingly (vastly) improve the roster available for next season? Yeah, probably. Now let’s see how it plays out on the field and how the massive work they’ve been doing on the 2019 class pans out.
Seems like there’s a lot of posturing for posturing’s sake about this class and the staff.
- Thread: The National Signing Day Thread
I don't ignore anyone usually but Crete and Trex are getting close to the edge.
You'd think by now I'd be used to nonstop fvkking idiocy, but yet, I'm not.
Would you be happy if we had added six 3 star DB/"athletes"? Because that's literally the difference between our class and a top 7-9 class.
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