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  1. cover2

    cover2 I've grown old
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    If nothing else can be said, it was nice to see the bowl outcome today on the heels of the end to this season (and last). Seemed to be a better attitude and certainly effort this year compared to the last bowl and that was surely heartening given the depleted roster. The biggest question I have now is what type of impact will this game have on the remaining weeks of this recruiting cycle? Most definitely it would have to give a little confidence in the program to some of the remaining targets and perhaps bolster the committed to prevent any last minute flips? I would like to think that a couple of staff changes would also help as well, but that remains to be seen. So for a few moments, maybe it's best to just enjoy a bowl outcome that was once consistently expected and reflect on a game that didn't end as closely as many of us initially thought:
    • The way Appleby started, I couldn't help but think that we were going to be down a couple of scores and fail to get any closer given our offensive woes and Iowa's defensive rep. But that wasn't the case. He shook off some early gaffs and settled in to do enough good to help us win. I wouldn't say he "carved" the Hawkeyes up by any means, but he made a few nice throws and managed the lead. Again, I think he's a good young man, but not a particularly great QB (better than LDR), so it was good to see him go out on a positive note. That said, I hope we are past the transfer QB's for a while even though the fact that we didn't pull a red shirt off even as bad as we struggled from this position this year doesn't exactly fill me with confidence!
    • Marcel Harris continues to improve. Nice to see him becoming a leader of the D by his improved play and aggressiveness. Several other youngsters gave notice...Vosean Joseph and Chauncey Gardner did a lot of good things obviously and maybe even without the recognizable depth, we are developing a nucleus of the next great unit? Time will tell, but the aforementioned depth, especially at LB, has to begin being addressed now. We'll see if any can be added at this late date.
    • Stopping the Hawkeyes drive to begin the second half was big. They were running it up our @ss and a score could have given them the momentum and created some doubt on our part. But we avoided it and went on to put some points of our own up on the board. Kudos to our guys in this regard.
    • A few things that concern me still are the poor fundamentals that we seem to display every game. Defensively, the two most concerning are the tackling errors (high, poor wrap-up, flying in out of control with no break down) and loss of contain by the DE's, particularly against the boot action where we flatten out and can't redirect once the QB changes direction. This continues to speak to shoddy coaching IMO seeing how it has been continuous. Youth of the players is a contributing factor but shouldn't be an excuse at this point.
    • Digging up an old debate, I'll be glad to not have to see Appleby try the little pitch to his left ever again. Sure, it would have had a positive outcome if it could have been executed. Poor guy looked like he was wearing two slick furry mittens. Thank goodness that play wasn't for the win.
    • OL was decent in pass pro and erratic with run blocking. I'd still have to say that they ended the season better than they began, but this is a group that will need to be much more consistent next season. We all know this, but can it happen?
    • DL, with a few exceptions, was pretty decent most of the game and got some pressure on the Iowa QB. Nice to see Brantley and Ivie make a couple of plays and go out on a high note. Most think we've got a few good youngsters, but we need some more bodies and talent as well. Kid from Leesburg would be a great addition if we could add him. Our high school played him this year and he pretty much wrecked us single-handedly, and we've got a RB committed to Bama who is pretty special but was held to far less than what he usually averages rushing.
    • I was glad to see Garcia get to step in and play. Another good kid who is also a great citizen and representative of the Gators. That said, he struggled, but benefitted from our DL play. He didn't hurt us and will take some great memories with him.
    • Got tired of hearing the announcers beat the Iowa QB's hamstring injury and him staying in the game to death. It's football. Players are supposed to play through some pain, or at least they used to.
    • Hate to see our punter leave. He was a good one. Could flip the field as good as anyone. Hope he has a career at the pro level that equals Ray Guy.
    Now comes the key part. Can Mac salvage the recruiting this year or maybe even get a little sugar to close? I'm still not sold on his abilities in this area or his approach (what I know and have seen/read about it), so I'm looking to be pleasantly surprised. If so, maybe we got a chance. If not, I'm afraid this win won't be the turning point we need, but we'll see. At least we don't go back to work tomorrow having to eat a sh!t sandwich served up by rival co-workers. For that we can all be thankful! Go Gators!

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  2. kepler

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    Screw him. I sat at the hole known as doak and watched our gators lay down. I took the razzing and laughter from the fsu fans what could I do. But the hell I'll take it from a journey player here one year. I've watched the gators for 30 years and I can't think of anyone with less right to call out the fans. Take the train fool.
     
  3. Okeechobee Joe

    Okeechobee Joe Lost Ball in High Grass
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    Hello. Luke Del Rio? Butch Jones calling. Listen, I know a Champion of Life when I see one.
     
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    Rough week all around for the Fishers. I heard Candi was rear-ended twice over the weekend.
     
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    MJMGator Slightly amused
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    Shouldn't you be cooking Mac breakfast, Mrs. Butters?
     
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    I had a cool encounter meeting Chauncey at my job on Christmas eve with his mom before he was set to head out to Tampa for the Outback bowl. Super cool guy and very respectable. With his success on the field this year, his mom only had one stat she wanted to talk about; his 3.8 gpa this semester. On his way out the door I told him to do work against those Iowa boys. I guess he took my advice hahaha. Anyways it was just good to meet the young man and his family and he's a guy I'll be rooting for and someone I'm glad is representing the Orange and Blue! IMG_3769.JPG
     
  7. Jack o' Diamonds

    Jack o' Diamonds My mind is made up, don't confuse me with facts...

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  8. Gator_Chompz

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  9. oxrageous

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    Let's just nut up and beat their asses at Baton Rouge.
     
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    So if we would have blown them out by 60, then it would be okay to start beating our chests that we're back and we're gonna kick everybody's asses? How has that worked out in the past? Its the first game. Its college. Its raining. Its not that big of a deal. We might suck, we might be ok, we might even be good. Its too early to tell. Certainly not too early for some to start slitting their wrists though.
     
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    Pretty spot on :lol:
     
  14. Captain Sasquatch

    Captain Sasquatch Mr. SQ, the Sashole

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    Find all the video clips from six weeks ago. Find them from Mike & Mike, PTI, Around the Horn, Highly Questionable, SEC Network, and whatever other video you can find talking sh*t about us being scared to play LSU. Find it all and edit it all into one big F*CK YOU video. If you know someone who can do it, ask them to do it. Seriously. Everyone who was b*tching at us and claiming we were scared can eat a whole warehouse of dicks. Nevermind a bag of dicks. Eat the whole warehouse, balls and all.
     
  15. Zambo

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    1340 miles from Ensenada to Cabo. Beat 8 other trucks in my class for our second win in a row! Its been a hell of a week, got all people and gear safely back in the states. Time for some rest!
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  16. cover2

    cover2 I've grown old
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    Merry Christmas everybody! In the spirit of after-Christmas sales, I've got a few late gifts for some special people. They'll be purchased and shipped just as soon as I get my quarterly report from Wells-Fargo and/or my secondary retirement fund "matures" either this Saturday or next Wednesday night. Not all listed have been at or near the top of Santa's list, but are deserving nonetheless. Feel free to add any you'd like to bestow as well. Here goes:

    For Ox, his very own R2D2 to troubleshoot when the Commodore 64's experience trouble (Actually, I'm very thankful for his work on this site and hopes he enjoys running it as much as most seem to enjoy participating).

    For Rex (and others, you know who you are), a sack full of 4 and 5 stars on NSD. Failing that, a bunch of 3 stars comparable to Calloway should suffice as long as some Milk of Magnesia is included to fill the gap between signing and actually performing. Seriously, your desires for the best of the best for our Gators is appreciated.

    For Will Grier, the "Wizard of Oz" trifecta...heart, brains, and courage. He'll need them in greater working order than I think he currently possesses if he's going to avoid recreating situations like he did while at UF.

    For Southern Griilin, a true identity. One that would either strengthen the Gator allegiance claimed or one that will allow him to comfortably be a rival on the board, as you can't successfully be both. An accessory gift that may help would be a gift certificate and an evening of in depth conversation at a wine bar with Lawrence of Florida.

    For Alvin, lasting peace in Serbia and a sack full of moral victories for the Vols. An additional stocking stuffer might be a new significant other to help him release the penned up Tennessee tension. I would hate for him to be the first man, Albanian or otherwise, to expire from chronic Carpal-Tunnel syndrome.

    For Sas and his Queen, many happy years of wedded bliss, healthy children, and prosperity for a lifetime. Also for Queenie, a grooming kit and the willingness to shave Sas' back as needed and to, on request, remove any and all unwanted superficial body hair.

    For Coach Mac, continuing love and loyalty among him and his staff. Thinking that they've got a lot of good things started and going on. At the very least, they've been a welcome relief (for me at least) from the last five seasons save '12.

    For Gators everywhere, not only a return to the CFB top shelf, but a minimalization of poor decisions, in-fighting, and other mullygrubbing, from athletes, coaches, and fans alike. May 2016 be the best it can be and at the very least, fulfilling for the faithful.
     
  17. soflagator

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    I've been one of the harshest critics of certain areas of the program under Mac(i.e recruiting). But I'm honestly surprised at some of the thinking here. I hate to go broken record here, but many felt in early 2015 that we were 3 years away from being a real contender, even for the pathetic East. There was no illusion of us becoming great overnight. The reality is, after completely defying the odds in year 1, we are one really bad half of football from having a two game lead again this year.

    As was pointed out, we're no where near where we need to be offensively, but we all knew that it would be ugly due to WM's horribly unbalanced recruiting. It isn't good yet, but it is still considerably better than what we witnessed for 4 years. And I'm not sure what system works effectively when you inherit the OL situation we have.

    Again, I'm not saying Mac absolutely is the answer. But the quickness with which some of you are anxiously willing to throw in the towel is shocking. Things could obviously go south between now and the end of the year. But considering we're way ahead of what most expected through 1.5 seasons, I think it's reasonable to a least give it that.
     
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    If a train leaves Seattle heading east at 80 mph, and a car leaves New York heading west at 60 mph... why the fück does Nord still work here?
     
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    Treon took a shot at Nuss, and it hit the ground about 3 feet short and well behind him.
     
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    I admire PE's loyalty and the fact that he won't criticize the team. If that works for him, that's great. What I don't care for is the implication that criticizing the team somehow says you aren't a real fan or have abandoned them somehow. Throwing out "in all kinds of weather" is particularly insulting.

    Guess what: Despite the unacceptable garbage we've had to put up with for 7 years now, WE'RE STILL HERE.

    No one has bolted to root for another team. Hell, daily members on message boards like this are the most loyal fans there is. If we didn't care so damn much, we wouldn't be here.

    Let fans be fans.
     
  27. cover2

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    What a win over the Coon Asses! Particularly sweet given the sh!t talk that has been spewing from Baton Rouge of late. Better yet, we didn't lose one in the second half by virtue of too conservative and erratic play calling/sequencing (which have not left us BTW). The D is due a big hats off. They weren't perfect today, bent a lot, but didn't break, and the goal line stand was a thing of beauty. And they did it with several starters out, as if you didn't know that! Offensively, we were erratic, but actually made a big time play and found our running game against a pretty good D. Still several head-scratchers from the coaches IMO, but we survived them.

    I personally went through a wide span of emotions during the game, alternating my cheers with streams of profanity. Don't get me wrong, the win, as I stated earlier, was great and much needed. But a lot of the same problems from several coaching standpoints remain. The difference may have been the level of mental preparation and consistent play, physically and emotionally, by the players. Thus, my comments will be broken into two parts...what I liked and appreciated and what I didn't (which could probably subtitled same old sh!t from the coaches and a couple of players). So here goes:
    • Scarlett just keeps getting better. The guy has the best legs and leg drive I've seen from a Gator back in a while. To repeat myself, he's Mr. YAC. He seems to get at least two or three yards when it looks like he's going to be stopped. Loved how he just demolished Beckwith. He looked especially strong in the second half. Keep giving him the rock.
    • The OL had something to do with Scarlett's big day. They were able, as Jesse said, to get a consistent push in the run game. Pass Pro was a little shakey, but they probably did their best on the 98 yarder to Cleveland. Thought the new center and the other youngsters acquitted themselves pretty well. Ivey played pretty well I think and made a highlight play when he wrapped and sealed the ILB on one of Scarlett's big gains. Glad to see this group progressing.
    • Young LB's played pretty well despite some gaffs. Early on, they were slow to read some keys (e.g. Kylan was a count or two slow reading the back in the flats on a screen and got sealed by the OT; with some experience he'll scrape past that block untouched and blow the play up) and pressed the LOS on the play action, which allowed the TE to easily get open behind where they should have been in coverage. But that's youth for you. They made enough plays to be a part of the winning D. The kid from Michigan has a chance to be a good one I think.
    • Appleby was fairly steady if unspectacular with a few exceptions, the biggest obviously being the strike to Cleveland. He made a big error on the pitch to Perine that could have cost us, but the D bailed us out. Hate to say it, but I don't think we win that one if the other guy was under center, so I do think we've upgraded the position somewhat.
    • Kicking game was good and I think coverages were better. Maybe Nord reads Gator Chatter :). Punter was a big part of the victory with his kicks that flipped the field when our offense was sputtering. And Eddy made some kicks, albeit more short than dramatic, that we had to have.
    • Just when I told c2 Jr that Perine seemed to be fading a little in the last couple of games, he has a highlight reel run, dragging half the Coon Ass D with him!
    • Loved the energy and consistent play by the team. It's been a missing ingredient. Hope it's here to stay, especially with Jimbo and the Criminoles on the horizon. Bama's another matter for two weeks. It's important that we play with the same effort and consistency of that and energy against a heated rival.
    Now for part two:
    • The play calls/sequences are still at best erratic. First down is a throwing down way too much for us to fool the opponents. Of course, there was one big exception today and I tip my hat for the timing. Many will recall Mark Richt as the F$U OC consistently throwing from his own end zone with quite a bit of success. It also tended to loosen up the rush D. Still, we had little rhythm in the first half. The big play and the run game was great in the second, though I'm still wondering why we take Scarlett out on third and two (I think it was) to score and try the pitch to Perine. He would have probably scored if the pitch wasn't low and behind him, but my thinking is first, why even try it and second, you might look like a genius if it works, but you look like a dumb ass that's out thought himself if it doesn't. Might have been in the playbook, but wasn't executed like it had been well-practiced. It was a staple in Spurrier's time and we ran it and inserted it to perfection. Not so much today.
    • You might disagree, but I don't know why in the hell Mac called time out during the goal line stand. I believe LSU would have called their own and it could have been costly if they scored and we needed it when trying to get in scoring position with a short clock. We knew (or should have) what their goal line plays, formations, and tendencies were and should have been able to adjust as necessary. If they'd have Japped it up from the huddle break, then take a TO. Just didn't make good sense to me at the time and I almost felt like Mac might have felt like we were going to give up the score and wanted to conserve some time. If so, bad message to send.
    • Praised the OL, but Sharpe was anything but what his name implies on several plays, particularly in Pass Pro. But he's been getting beaten pretty consistently by the other team's DE, so I shouldn't be surprised.
    • Penalties seemed down (haven't checked the stat line), but the delay that put us in a and-long situation wasn't good. Gotta have a better presence in that situation.
    • Appleby seemed to lock onto one receiver on some occasions. There were a few passes that if he'd better read his progressions, we might have had a few more completions. Of course, protection was shakey and it's easy to get tunnel vision when you're on the move.
    • Mac better buy Collins a steak after this one. His group saved the day.
    On the good side, we beat a good team that we had to beat and Mac got one more signature win. I think he has two now. The bad thing is that winning might make the coaches believe their plan has finally been validated, and maybe it has :dunno:. But I'm inclined to think that if we stay erratic with the play calls and play not to lose in the second half against the good and better teams, there will be more UT experiences in the future. We overcame it today because the D didn't give up or out and they dialed up that fantastic goal line series. Scarlett and the OL in the second half made it work. Remember that we only had 60 yards of total offense in the first half and we couldn't stop LSU on third down. Whether this is a trend or outlier will be better known after next week. But enough of my critical ass for now. Let's savor a big, big win and get ready for the Noles. Go Gators!

    :chomp:

    *Sorry about the error in the title! I'll fix it when I figure out how :(
     
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    This time of year always gets me weary from reading all the off-season whine fest posts from all those who see nothing but negatives. (Isn't it funny how only the negative minded seem to be resistant to the natural waning of interest that comes during the off-season). This year, though, the negatives focused on coach Mac have been especially irritating so I figured I'd take a moment to focus on some positives, as I see them anyway, that have been demonstrated by coach Mac so far as he enters into preparations for his second season.

    10. SEC East Crown in 1st season after a giant suck fest for 3 years: This should never be underestimated.

    9. Held leads and even came from behind vs. all the 'come from ahead' losses over the years prior. This should never be underestimated either. We may have sucked on offense post Grier, but we held on to leads all year rather than continuing the trend for colossal chokes of the previous couple of years. We even seemed to have a game plan at the end of games that was focused on winning rather then not losing before we lost the guy who could throw.

    8. Offensive talent recruited. Ivey and Callaway were especially great gets last year and early enrollees Hammond, Thompson and Swain looked good this Spring. (Hopefully Callaway plays again this year.:headslap:)

    7. Offensive talent evident on field. I guess Muschamp kind of did us a favor by red shirting Grier since he groomed only Harris for the future and drove off all the other QBs on the roster. Even so, after so many years of the blandest offenses ever it was pretty amazing to see some playmaking ability on offense especially with using the TE and actually completing some deep balls (for half the year at least).

    6. Maintained defensive prowess and increased late game delivery. Maintaining the defense during a coaching change is not an easy task, but not only were they able to do that but they were also able to make the defense more effective late in games when the years before they broke down under late game pressure.

    5. Two deep on the offensive line for 2016: How the number of offensive linemen could have been allowed to deteriorate to the level Mac inherited is amazing to me. Thankfully Mac made this a priority to correct. (Muschamp is truly the best defensive mind of our age - he is so good he can shut down BOTH offenses!)

    4. Solid use of transfers, graduate transfers and JC talent: Mason Halter was a huge contributor on the patched together offensive line last year and this year our starting QB and backup QB might be transfers and one of our top RBs a JC recruit.

    3. Cultivated a culture of choices and consequences: This may be Coach Mac's biggest accomplishment to date because he seems to have everyone on board with a culture where he sets expectations, sets boundaries, and sets consequences for crossing those boundaries and then holds everyone equally accountable to the choices they make.

    2. Huge number of early enrollees: 12 early enrollees is an extraordinary number and the majority are now expected to contribute right away. That cannot be underestimated in terms of the real contributing value of a recruiting class which goes far beyond star ratings.

    And the Number 1 positive about Coach Mac going into season 2 is...

    1. 2016 addition of multiple QBs that can throw and a kicker that can kick: Still amazed we were able to win the East when this was clearly NOT true for half the season with the former and all season with the latter.


    So, what do you think? :popcorn:
     
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  32. oxrageous

    oxrageous American Hero
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    I send out a monthly email to members that haven't logged in for a long time. It shows a list of recent threads and asks them to jump back into the fray. Evidently, a relative of Hotrod was monitoring his email and replied with the news.

    Message boards are funny things. Generally speaking, we don't know each other personally yet feel a strange closeness, strange enough that when someone passes it hits harder than you'd ever believe. I appreciate anyone who takes time out of their day to contribute to the board, that's why I try and offer recognition whenever possible, such as birthday threads.

    There are members here in which I disagree with in almost every aspect of life, yet it would bother me if they were suddenly gone. There's a connection there that has been built on years and years of near-daily interaction....all with our love for the Gators as our foundation.
     
  33. dubster1

    dubster1 ITS STILL CHUMPS FAULT

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    Some racist ass bullschit,,how come the black guy gets left off? These damn trump lovers:shakehead:
     
  34. rogdochar

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    Design your card your own inimitable way.

    [ Have several very Merry Christmas days & nights my buddies.]Season's Bleatings =

    Season's Bleatings =

    Law proves McElwain is a Grinch magnet?
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    t-rex's Letter to Santa:
    Dear Santa,
    I've been good all year ... ok, most of it ... ok, once in a while ... Flux it! I'll buy my on shlit.
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    Queenie, if SAS dons that Santa Suit, still "beware the lap!"
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    Replacing kids' letters to Santa = "Siri, get me an x-box."
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    MatthewM's letter to Santa : "I want your list of naughty girls."

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    Snowman #1 to Snowman#2 : "Do you smell carrots?"

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    So, do not be quickly tidy ... instead, step back zenly and :
    take in that wonderful panorama of floor with wadded chromatic kaleidoscope wrappings celebrating
    yall's happiness stampede. Best wishes GC.
     
  35. TraskTrainJay26

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    This guy deserves his own thread. Guy is all guts and probably one of my favorite Gators of all time. Bright future ahead for him.





    Discuss.
     
  36. NCOGator

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    Sorry just saw this. Active Duty Army 1993-1996 and 2000- Present. Now a MSG (E-8) currently stationed at Fort Sam Houston in San Antonio, TX.
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  37. PastyStoole

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  39. NVGator

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    Good. Now that we are having arrests again means we're going to have a much better team.
     
  40. TraskTrainJay26

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    BUT HE'S ONLY A 3 STAR!!!!!
     

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