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  1. Zambo

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  2. dubster1

    dubster1 ITS STILL CHUMPS FAULT

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    I was born on Eglin Air Force base in Florida. I was raised by a single mother who worked 2 jobs to support me and my brother. Mother is a strong willed strict disciplinarian who raised us to respect authority and your elders and we had a steady diet of whuppings. Mother also has very strong views on race and we were constantly reminded and given examples on why white people were evil. At the age of 10 mom got a better job and we moved to North Carolina, At 13 I began to play organized sports but mother made me work mowing lawns, recycling bottles and cans, cleaning gutters washing cars, to help pay for cleats, uniforms, entry fees. At 16 I was driving school buses and working at Mcdonalds on the weekends. I began contributing to the household and thought I would have some say in household matters. but my mother the dictator squashed that real quick. I graduated High School and knew that the classroom wasn't for me. I joined a plumber apprentice program. One day while under a crawl space I came face to face with the biggest black snake I had ever seen it looked like a bicycle inner tube. I freaked out raised my head and gashed it on a support beam. needless to say that was my last day as a plumber apprentice. I joined the military and it changed my life and how I see and judge people. I traveled around the world Germany, Korea and realized what mother taught me was not exactly true. there are great people of all races and you cant judge people based on race. I loved the military because we were all green. I served in desert storm and again the example was we wasn't African Americans, or Asian Americans or American Indians or White Americans we were simply AMERICANS. After the military I returned home and got accepted to the sheriffs academy after graduating the sheriffs academy. I was appointed to the detention center while I waited my appointment to become a road deputy. I met my wife who was working in the deputy clerks office and we had a daughter. I left the sheriffs office and started my career with the dept. of public safety.
    I would describe myself as an independent i believe in a strong military defense, liberal on social issues, less government, I'm pro choice. conservative with my money(my wife isn't) I have come full circle when it comes to people and realize that biases/predjudices doesn't necessary mean racism. I know what racism looks like and sounds like and if the inner voice tells you its wrong then its wrong you can spin it how you like. but I don't get caught up with that and the stereotypes. I volunteer my time to coach football, and I mentor at risk youths doing my part to give back to the black community. I love military history and I'm and avid bass fisherman and grill master. I am a Christian who believes I am my brothers keeper and quite simply I'm blessed . I will always help you if I can. as my mother has taught me god is always watching and listening. Thru all my travels and all the great people I've met along the way my mother remains the most inspirational figure in my life.
     
  3. Zambo

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    Man, I'm so sick of being compared to England or France I can't stand it.

    America is different than those places and I love it exactly for that reason. Immediately after our war of independence from English rule, we built a Navy and Marine Corps to travel to the other side of the world and fight Muslim pirates that had been ravaging the entire Mediterranean Sea. Even thought the trip was months long for us, vice a few days or weeks for the Europeans, WE were the ones who had to nut up and defeat these barbarians. And we have been the ones nutting up to get the job done around the world ever since. And its not because we are like them, its because we are DIFFERENT than them.

    I love V8 engines and 4x4 trucks and insanely fast motorcycles that can jump over houses. I love turbochargers and afterburners and red meat and bacon and work boots and snowmobiles and high power rifles. I love pocket knives and oil rigs and power tools and pulling out the big dog and hitting from the tips.

    I love that our national pastime is a violent euphemism for war, where modern day gladiators in body armor destroy each other in a game of power projection and land acquisition, while Europe's pastime is a kids game played in short pants. I love that men hold the door for ladies not because ladies can't open the door but simply because they are men, instead of the modern day reinvention of man into an equivocating, sniveling, pretentious metrosexual.

    What's amazing to me is that people are so spoiled they don't see the greatness. 10 men have walked on the moon and they were all Americans. We have the best infrastructure, the best military, the best athletes, the best economy, and IMO the best freedoms on the planet, and the last item on the list is a huge reason for the presence of the preceding items. We are allowed to do crazy stuff, push the envelope, and innovate. None of this stuff is done by people who crave safety and ease of life and boundaries.

    Its a fast paced, competitive society and of course along with the winners there are going to be losers who will use their first amendment right to complain that things are unfair or need to be changed. Mandate this and ban that. Give us all little boxes to operate in. I call those boxes prisons. People need to stop finding solutions by creating laws that restrict the freedom of their fellow man. Stop trying to turn the United States into a "safe space," where everybody gets a participation trophy for carrying out their assigned task according to the minimum standard.
     
  4. AlexDaGator

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    So you've heard about all the celebrities threatening to move to Canada. There is a secession movement getting hot in California. Seems like more than half the country is seriously depressed about the results of this election.

    It shouldn't be this way. The president (even the entire FedGov) shouldn't matter this much.

    The concept of federalism is a touchstone of our political system. A definition of sorts from Wikipedia:

    We weren't designed to be governed from Washington DC. We were designed to be governed by our States with the FedGov only dealing with a few limited matters like foreign policy and national defense.

    We are a large, diverse country. Wyoming is nothing like Maryland. Alaska is nothing like Massachusetts. Utah is nothing like Washington. Why should Montanans be governed by the same laws as New Yorkers and Bostonians?

    Unfortunately, for years and years, the FedGov (and especially the presidency) has accumulated more and more power at the expense of the States.

    The problem is partisans cheer this when it is their party that is in power. Full-throated support for Obama when he uses his pen and phone to impose his vision of America on his political opposites. Well, I warned you then that someday the shoe would be on the other foot. Democrats are now terrified of what a President Trump might do with his pen and phone.

    You can't have it both ways.

    The solution is for less power centralized in DC and more power being returned to the States where it belongs (coupled with less government power overall). If you're not happy in ultra-conservative Salt Lake City, you don't need to move to Canada. You can try Denver, or Seattle, or Portland, or San Fransisco. Unhappy in ultra-liberal Chicago? Try Houston or Oklahoma City. Vote with your feet. Vote with your wallet.

    Liberals love to pontificate about conservatives "shoving religion down their throats" but lack the self-awareness to realize they are doing the same thing to conservatives, just with a different sort of religion.

    Obama expanded the powers of the presidency to impose his values on millions of people who didn't want it. That's tyranny. Just as I opposed Obama's efforts, I would oppose Trump's efforts to impose his values on millions of people who don't want it. Red or Blue, tyranny is tyranny.

    My point in this thread is to show you liberals who supported Obama's actions how wrong and dangerous that was.

    This is why I support federalism, weaker government in general, more liberty, and more local control. This is why I'm a libertarian.

    Alex.
     
  5. dubster1

    dubster1 ITS STILL CHUMPS FAULT

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    Just so you fckers know i aint going no damn where
     
  6. Zambo

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    Do you have to be a contortionist to bend that far backward? Listen, if a soldier is walking down the street and some ass goes up to him an "exercises his freedom of speech" by calling him a baby-killer, would you expect that the soldier wouldn't take offense? The flag is the SYMBOL OF FREEDOM. By refusing you acknowledge it, all you are doing is telling everyone that your freedoms don't mean squat. It is the one thing all Americans should rally around. The fact that people have freedom to say and do what they want is bled for and REPRESENTED by the flag. In other words, he is pissing on the very thing that gives him the right to say what he wants. Its is such a pathetic, moronic, misguided display there really are no words for it. The best analogy I can think of is wearing red and black to the Florida Georgia game because you aren't happy with the campus police. Fking stupid.
     
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    I had to sign up for this forum strictly because of this thread so I know my opinion is not going to matter to the posters that have the only opinion that counts but here goes.
    Cassius Clay was a loud mouthed, self important egomaniac. His rapid conversion to islam was a sham and a scam. The only reason he didn't go to Canada is because he had the money and the sycophants behind him to stay out of prison. Vietnam was not about killing black Americans, it was about stopping Communism. Has any of you Clay protectors actually researched how many innocent people were murdered in Laos, Cambodia and Vietnam after the Americans pulled out? We're seeing the same thing in the Middle East now with ISIS, Al-Qaeda and the other extremist groups. It's not always about the immediate threat to America. It's looking forward and taking steps to prevent events.
    I lived thru this era and was in the Army in '66 and '67 and I consider what Clay did to be just as detrimental as what Hanoi Jane did.
    Just my .02 and adjusted for inflation .06.
     
  8. soflagator

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    I ate oatmeal this morning, took our kids to school, and then came to work.

    At this point in our society, I'm sure this is somehow racist of me, and/or has to do with my white privilege. So I apologize.
     
  9. AlexDaGator

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    Hey Av, remember the last time a cute young black kid disappeared and it became national news? You know, like Caylee Anthony, Elizabeth Smart, Jessica Lunsford, Polly Klaas, JonBenet Ramsey, etc.? All cute white girls. Adam Walsh too so I guess a cute white boy might make the news once in a while. No black kids though. I guess black kids never disappear, right? Of course not. Boys disappear all the time. Black kids, Hispanic kids, Asian kids, all different kinds of kids disappear. A very small number become famous. They capture the national imagination. It's almost always a white girl. If you had to guess, based on what you saw in the media, you would assume that 90% of child disappearances were cute white girls, mostly blonde. The other 10% would be white boys. But that's not true, is it? That's a distorted opinion based not on statistics, but based on what you see in the media.

    Follow me here.

    You think there is an epidemic of cops shooting Blacks. Even Obama said so. You see it over and over again, and it's always a Black person getting shot. Must be because of racism because you don't see White people getting shot. So my social media feed is clogged with agonized pleas to get rid of the racist cops, with rants about how it is open season on Black people, how cops murder Blacks with impunity, whenever they want, sometimes just for the time off and the book deal. No wonder Black folks are mad. But is this reality, or is it that the media loves a cop kills Black guy story a lot more than a cop kills White guy story? Remember the video posted here about a week ago about the K9 that nearly killed the white guy on his bike?

    Let's look at some statistics.

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    So Whites are nearly 50% of police shooting victims, Blacks only 30%. If I randomly polled the American people (Black and White), how many would have guess that percentage? Of course, Blacks are over represented as a percentage of population, but they are also over represented in interactions with law enforcement so that's not as much of a disparity as you might think.


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    What's this? Police killings aren't rising? No spiking? No epidemic?

    No.

    And here's the thing missing from that chart...the US population in 1976 was only 218 million. In 2013 it was 316.5 million. That's an increase of over 45% in population. That means that if we had the 2013 population in 1976, there would have been over 600 justifiable police homicides by firearm instead of 415. My point is that not only is that chart holding steady between 300 and 460, but on a per capita basis, it is going down sharply. So again, if you randomly polled Americans, how many would have guess that?

    I know what my social media has looked like these last few days. I can't imagine how yours looks. Smart, educated people, white and black, railing against racist cops, talking about how the 2nd Amendment only applies to white people, how white people never worry about a routine traffic stop, white privilege, Black Lives Matter, a White attorney even used the hashtag #stopsayingnotallcopsarebad

    The media gobbles it up. I don't think they are trying to start a race war. I just think they are driven by ratings. Elizabeth Smart gets eyes glued to the TV. So does Black man shot by White Police Officer (especially if unarmed). If the media knew George Zimmerman was Hispanic and his "gated community" was mid and lower class, you never would have heard of Trayvon Martin. If Caylee Anthony was named LaMichael Anthony, you never would have heard of him.

    Out of a total population of 316.5 million in 2013, there were 11.3 million arrests nationwide. 458 resulted in justifiable homicides by police firearm.

    But that's just arrests. Not many police interactions result in arrest.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/394249/dojs-policing-statistics-dont-lie-ian-tuttle

    So in 2011, law enforcement officers had encounters of one sort or another with almost 63 million Americans. There were around 400 justified police gun killings that year. That's .00063% Not a tenth of 1%, not a hundredth of 1%, not a thousandth of 1%, but 6 millionths of 1%. And the majority of them are white. And they include police shootings like Tamerlan Tsarnaev.

    Yeah, racism sucks. And yeah, racism exists. And it's hard, REALLY hard, to believe cold statistics in charts and graphs over graphic video plastered over the news media night after night. But ultimately, the truth lives in those boring statistics.


    Alex.
     
  10. Durty South Swamp

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    I watched this and was disgusted. Sharpe was literally foaming at the mouth, the hate and anger that he has for Tebow is on the level of a rabid dog. The dude probably cries himself to sleep at night knowing that not only did tebow win in Denver, but now looks good at baseball. I get the feeling deep down he has freaking tebow penis envy or something. And he didn't "almost" blame whitey and white privilege for tebow's baseball contract. He did blame it. He also kept screaming about how you shouldn't be allowed to play one sport until you've "mastered" another sport. What a freakin tard.

    He totally embarrassed himself and its great. I love it when these fools voluntarily expose themselves for the racist sycophants they are.
    As if that wasn't enough, then he goes into his racist rant about the flag and white privilege.

    Seriously, shut the **** up about privilege. A man whos celebrated, rich beyond most peoples wildest dreams, played a freaking backyard game for a living, and now gets to spout off about whatever he feels like on national tv has no business talking about privilege or oppression for that matter. If the country's so bad, pack up and leave. Oh that's right, you wont because this country glorifies you and allows you to make more money than you could ever know what to do with for simply having fun on sundays. Meanwhile the rest of us privileged types toil away trying to make ends meet, dealing with crappy bosses, and crappier paychecks, saving every extra cent to try and make our kids life's better, worry about the mortgage, the car payment, medical bills, and hope that we can save enough in a years time to afford a few days family vacation to disney so our kids don't feel like they've missed out.

    Please tell me more about all of our white privilege.
    Sorry if this should be in the PF.
     
  11. bradgator2

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    My father was a relentlessly self-improving boulangerie owner from Belgium with low grade narcolepsy and a penchant for buggery. My mother was a fifteen year old French prostitute named Chloe with webbed feet. My father would womanize, he would drink, he would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Some times he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy, the sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. My childhood was typical, summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we'd make meat helmets. When I was insolent I was placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds, pretty standard really. At the age of 12 I received my first scribe. At the age of fourteen, a Zoroastrian named Vilma ritualistically shaved my testicles. There really is nothing like a shorn scrotum, it's breathtaking, I suggest you try it.
     
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    In before it moves to the PF...

    The fact that he lives under that flag that has provided him a system wherein he was adopted (and not abandoned), provided an education and the opportunity to succeed at a high level (and making $$$ for being an oppressively bad QB), while totally ignoring the fact that a few bad cops don't equate to a bad country.
    Duh-hoosh-bag... go be concerned about Chicago and what's happening there.
     
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    lost last night. Looking at FB comments this morning shows how much in a bubble some of these people were living in. I made the first political post on FB that I've made this season congratulating Trump and hoping he unites the country and brings about change. That resulted in multiple people defriending me.

    Someone posted they hope my family is the first lose to their insurance after he destroys Obamacare. One person even commented that she hopes Trump doesn't grab my daughter by the p***y.

    Hopefully some of these people wake up and take a look in the mirror and realize they are what they despise. And if they can't maybe someone around them can slap them so they realize what they've become.
     
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    Buried pops today. He was a hero. He fought and was was injured in WW2 and Vietnam. We did not get along, but we buried him with his fellow warriors in the veterans cemetery in Lake Worth. Have not been in Florida for a while. Dont miss this oppressive weather. A move, a divorce, a new job and a death in less than a year. Ready for a new start.

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  15. AlexDaGator

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    Yes, you need to talk to Blacks, but Blacks need to talk to Whites, and Asians to Hispanics and everything else.

    Any single view is myopic, by definition.

    That's why I posted the statistics. Most of my friends (Black, White, and Other) would have never guessed those statistics.

    For a guy like Av, every time he's pulled over it's a case of DWB. But he's not White. So he doesn't know the White experience. Get this--the Black stereotype of the White experience is just as flawed as the White stereotype of the Black experience that you ridicule.

    There is no White World where everything comes easy by virtue of white skin. You don't get pulled over because white. You don't get followed because white. You don't get bad service because white. You know all the important people in town. The Judge goes to your church. The principal went to college with your Mom. Your Uncle is a policeman. Get pulled over? Just drop his name. Need a job? Dad calls his fraternity brother who hooks you up with a sweet summer gig at his law firm. College? You've got paid tutors, you go to the best schools, the teachers care about you, and of course, you're a legacy. Your Mom's cousin is the football coach. You get your moms 5 year old BMW as a hand-me-down. You go skiing in the Winter. Beautiful girls all want to date you. I also thought white people were wasteful, that they lacked common sense, they were too fancy, you know? Folks like us were grittier.

    If you saw my skin, you would think "white guy" and maybe assume I have lived a live of privilege. You'd be wrong if you did. My skin is white, but I have never considered myself White. I had the same stereotypes of "white people" as you and none of those stereotypes applied to me.

    Tell you what Fish. You tell these people what it's like growing up Black. I'll tell you what it's like growing up me. I'll start.

    The first of my people to come to this Country came as indentured servants, slaves for a period of years. Others came later and worked on the railroads alongside other unwanted immigrants like the Chinese. They were exploited, not exploiters.

    The Klan publicly whipped one of my people for having the temerity to date a White woman. You see, White isn't just a skin color, it is an ethnicity.

    My parents came to this country as immigrants. My Dad grew up barefoot in a dirt-floor home with an outhouse. They used newspaper for TP. They slaughtered a hog once a year, and his Mother would cut 3 triangular pieces of skin off the hog and sew them together into some kind of medieval looking shoe that my Dad only wore in the winter time when the ground was frozen. He came to the US at age 14 in the 1920's. He started working full time right away in sweatshops, and hid in the factory basement when any inspectors came to check for illegal child labor. The family soon moved to Detroit and my Dad worked in a factory making gaskets for cars. He was smart, real smart, and a hard worker. One day a foreman complimented him on being such a great employee, and he was promoted. But then the foreman explained that this would be his last promotion, ever. Why? Because of his race (white skin notwithstanding). He had reached the glass ceiling. This was no secret. It was whitesplained to him. He had advanced as far as he could.

    The army drafted him a month after Pearl Harbor. He went from draftee to Tech Sergeant in about a year's time (that's Sergeant First Class in modern parlance?). I told you, he was smart and good at math. Back then, they didn't have calculators. They had little books of firing tables with charts for azimuths. The artillery needed men who understood basic trigonometry.

    WWII screwed him up. He had nightmares for decades after.

    So he gets back to Detroit after the war and leads the charge to unionize his factory. The factory tried to create their own union, called a company union. Shills for the owners, nothing more. So my Dad won. They beat the company union and created their own real, independent union. Shortly thereafter, they were all notified that the factory was closing permanently. It had relocated to Tennessee based on tax breaks.

    My Dad got his electrician's license. Eventually he wound up in Florida, as a maintenance man. Dark green uniform with his first name on a patch, and a mass of keys on his side.

    My Mom was fresh off the boat. Arrived here in the late 60's.

    English wasn't my first language. I have a strange sounding last name. We attended a different church. I didn't dress like the other kids, didn't eat like the other kids, didn't sound like the other kids. We weren't connected to any important people. Nobody in my family ever graduated high school much less attend college. Never had a vacation growing up. Went to the public schools we were zoned for. My parents had no idea about good school zones or bad. We never had much money. We rarely ate out. Much of our clothing was hand-me-downs.

    I was able to pay for college myself with a National Merit Scholarship. English wasn't my first language, but I got pretty good at it. I worked on campus as a Desk Assistant and as a furniture mover, and I worked off campus at the McDonalds on University and 13th. I lived in the cheapest apartments in Gainesville. When my family needed money, the starving college student sent money home to help them. I wasn't in a fraternity or student government. My friends were other broke students who worked at McDonalds. Later I made some law school friends. They were different. Many were in fraternities or sororities. Many had money. Some had lots of it. Many had parents with connections, who were partners in big firms.

    I got pulled over for nonsense. I got followed in stores (especially when I was younger and always when I was dressed grungy). I was picked on in school because of my ethnicity.

    So that's the white privilege I bring to the table. A white skinned man who never considered himself White.

    Tell us about you. It's not a competition to see who was more oppressed, or who had it tougher. That's silly. Truth is, we're ALL privileged to live in this country. Might not seem like it after the last few days, but we are ALL the lucky ones. This isn't meant to be a pity party. It's just an attempt to communicate one authentic white skinned experience to you, and for you to communicate one authentic Black experience back to me.

    Alex.
     
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    The United States did not invent slavery. That concept and practice has been around since the beginning of time and has been applied to every race and religion on the planet. It continued its sorry history into the beginnings of this country, HOWEVER, folks might remember the fact that the country also actually fought the bloodiest war in its history in large part to abolish slavery. Yes, the flag that flew over the union troops that fought to abolish slavery is the very same flag that people refuse to pledge allegiance to or to disrespect for utterly stupid reasons like the Kaepernick imbecile. Imagine what the dead soldiers who laid down their lives for the freedom that people enjoy today must think of people who shun the flag that united them in battle?

    While the concepts of freedom and equality may not be practiced completely by certain individuals within our country, the fact remains that those concepts are the bedrock foundation of our nation. Anybody who thinks our flag or anthem is a sign of oppression is an unmitigated asshat of colossal proportions.
     
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    Trump strangled their pussy.
     
  18. AlexDaGator

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    You know better.



    It's indignation at the premise that we're all a bunch of -ists and need John Cena to lecture us on embracing favored minorities.

    Nonsense.

    Remember that anti-Muslim riot after Ft. Hood/Boston/San Bernardino/Orlando where people were throwing rocks at and beating up Muslims?

    Or that anti-Black race riot where people were throwing rocks at and beating up Blacks?

    Or that anti-Gay riot where people were throwing rocks at and beating up Gays?

    Or that anti-Disabled riot where people were throwing rocks at and beating up the disabled?

    Ditto for women, the elderly, Hispanics, etc.

    No? Me either.

    But how about all those diversity-embracing liberals throwing rocks at and beating up Trump supporters? I've seen that on TV a lot lately. Not just one or two kooks. Hundreds of people, setting fires, trashing police cars, the whole bit. How about those tolerant and diversity-celebrating liberals on college campuses attacking conservative speakers like Milo Yiannopoulos? You know, while campus security doesn't do a thing to protect the speakers?



    So no, I don't need John Cena lecturing me on accepting women, or Hispanics, or Blacks, or the disabled, or the elderly, or people who play ultimate frisbee (who knew?), or LGBT, etc. I'm good, thank you. I'm not an -ist and I don't think very many of my fellow Americans are -ists either.

    But I do find it ironic that the liberals who do believe their fellow Americans are a bunch of -ists and feel the need to lecture them about diversity and tolerance are often the least tolerant people in the room. It's called a lack of self-awareness.


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    -Civil unrest
    -Race relations at a 50 year low
    -Added more to the national debt than all presidential administrations before him combined
     
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    My Dad was an amazing man. After reaching mandatory retirement age and losing his maintenance man job, he still had a wife and two young children to provide for. He got a job pumping gas. Then another job as a clerk in a gift shop. He scraped together and eventually bought a tiny convenience store. This was during the sky-high interest rates of the early 80's. No bank would lend him the money so the seller held the paper (and charged a higher interest). We couldn't afford to hire any help. He opened that store every morning and closed it every night. 7 days a week. 365 days a year. He closed early one day a year. Mother's Day. He would tell my Mom to hang up her utensils, we were going to eat out. We would try to give him a break during the afternoon. Let him go home for lunch. Usually, he ate at work and just took a quick catnap in the car.

    You know how much you look forward to your weekends? How they rejuvenate you for the drudgery of another Monday?

    He never got a weekend. Ever. For him, every single day was Monday. Over and over again.

    You want to talk bravery? Devotion? Real guts? I've jumped out of airplanes. That's phony brave. Real brave is waking up every single morning and going to the mind numbing drudgery of work from 7:00 or 8:00 AM until 11:00 PM day after day after day when you are in your 70's and 80's.. No weekend. No vacation. No Christmas Day off. No birthday off. Sure, for some big family events, we'd take turns working so he could enjoy Easter for a few hours in the afternoon before going back to work. One time, I tracked his actual hours worked for a couple of weeks. 12 hours a day was the minimum. 16 was not uncommon. That's two full time jobs. That's over 90 hours a week. Every week. Week after week.

    I imagine the sweetest release from that drudgery would be death.

    But his devotion to family was greater. He'd get sick. The doctors would tell me he might not make it. Certainly, he'd never be able to work again. Time and again he brought himself back and went right back to work, opening in the morning and closing at night. Why? Because he had to take care of his family.

    That's a real man.



    Alex.
     
  21. AlexDaGator

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    IF (and that is a YUUUUGE IF) the election was decided by popular vote, the candidates would have campaigned differently, people would have voted differently, and the results would have been very different...ergo, it is silly to attach any significance to the popular vote. It is meaningless.

    It's like saying after a football game we may have lost on points, but we gained more yards, so we are the "real" winners and should be crowned as such. Utter nonsense.

    Alex.
     
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    The only difference between a moderate muslim and a radical muslim is the moderate wants someone else to kill you.
     
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    And look at all those people ...on the outside protesting.
    They are all unemployed.
     
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    Freedom has never and will never be free. The national anthem doesn't represent the current gov't or the perceived social oppression of blacks. It's a lot more than that. Sure we have problems but this is the greatest country on Earth. SMH
     
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    :butthurt:

    :lol: You never disappoint.

    We had to eat 8 years of Obama, and by the way, that's 8 years of Obama that was flatly rejected on Tuesday night. I see the beginning of the Trump presidency going a bit like Reagan's was, in terms of the economy. Some pain at first, and then it's going to go into the stratosphere. Assuming Trump can keep from saying or doing something incredibly stupid :ugh:, he could win in 2020 by a far bigger margin than this one.

    At any rate, I thought the country might be gone. There's still some of that old American spirit left. I feel rejuvenated.

    By the way, as far as "love trumps hate", there is nothing but hate on the left, as usual. Vile, vile hate.
     
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    This is a laughable argument that holds no water. The Democrats have forever held a huge advantage by being able to win an entire election by carrying a small minority of states. Clinton needed only a few token campaign appearances in California and New York in order to lock up nearly a third of the electoral votes needed for victory. In theory, that should have freed her to concentrate more heavily on the swing states needed to win, assuming of course she had a compelling message to spread. She didn't. Hillary represented crony politics and special interest and lying through her teeth, and this election was about just the opposite.

    Voters of all color, and esp Democratic voters, saw right through the facade with the slick $5 billion campaign budget and outright rejected her. She took a called third strike. It was hers for the taking and she flat out blew it. She has only herself to blame for the loss.
     
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    Coach, really, just an inanimate object?

    Here's how most of us feel about the Flag.

    It's more than an inanimate object.

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    I feel like this may be a bad time to click dislike on your response. :dunno:
     
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    Jeff Driskel stands erect for the American Flag even when he's sitting.
     
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    Alright, I'm going to be THAT guy. Promoting this is nothing more than encouraging a mental health disorder. According to studies done by JHU, Vanderbilt, and London's Portman Clinic, gender reassignment surgery rarely solves the issue. The suicide rate is 20 times higher. According to Dr. Paul McHugh, a distinguished professor at John Hopkins University, "“This intensely felt sense of being transgendered constitutes a mental disorder in two respects. The first is that the idea of sex misalignment is simply mistaken – it does not correspond with physical reality. The second is that it can lead to grim psychological outcomes.” He compares transgenderism to body dysmorphic disorder and anorexia.
     
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    Very compelling speech, unless of course you are a fan of facts.

    Most of it was the lamentation of "assault rifles." Yes, Obama has given speeches after 14 events that were classified as mass shootings. I think 3 of them involved assault rifles. The rest were pistols and shotguns. Are those to be banned as well?

    If we're going to put people through strict vetting processes before allowing them to purchase a gun, then also guarantee everyone, no matter where they live (Chicago, California, etc) the right to carry if they pass the test.

    I did like the post 9/11 commentary though, where he detailed the common sense solution of hardening cockpit doors and other techniques that work. What he left out however was the ridiculous TSA bureaucracy that was also created, which is a totally ineffective, costly, burdensome chunk of government that is never going away.

    I especially loved the clip of the imam, with the completely unbelievable voice, telling how you can go to a gun show and buy a fully automatic machine gun without even showing ID. As if any of that is true. How many of the guns used in these events were bought at gun shows? Zero. How many of the guns used in these events were automatic rifles? Zero.

    Until the left stops unnecessarily claiming all of these ridiculous facts to be true, there will never be "meaningful" debate on the subject. You can't start a meaningful debate with ridiculous and easily disprovable falsehoods.
     
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    So the presidency is about what hollywood/music A list-ers show up?

    Isn't this kind of what is wrong with the country to begin with?
     
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    November 4, 2016.... the day that Av became self-aware that he really isn't as in touch with the "black community" as he thought, shall be known forever more as "not so Black Friday"...
     
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    Interesting perspective on the election results:

    There are 3,141 counties in the United States.

    Trump won 3,084 of them.
    Clinton won 57.

    There are 62 counties in New York State.

    Trump won 46 of them.
    Clinton won 16.

    Clinton won the popular vote by approx. 1.5 million votes.

    In the 5 counties that encompass NYC, (Bronx, Brooklyn, Manhattan, Richmond & Queens) Clinton received well over 2 million more votes than Trump. (Clinton only won 4 of these counties; Trump won Richmond)

    Therefore these 5 counties alone, more than accounted for Clinton winning the popular vote of the entire country.

    These 5 counties comprise 319 square miles.
    The United States is comprised of 3, 797,000 square miles.

    When you have a country that encompasses almost 4 million square miles of territory, it would be ludicrous to even suggest that the vote of those who inhabit a mere 319 square miles should dictate the outcome of a national election.

    Large, densely populated Democrat cities (NYC, Chicago, LA, etc) don’t and shouldn’t speak for the rest of our country.
     
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    PART 2 OF 2:

    In the previous episode Admiral Rickover had "killed" the Engineering Officer of the Watch (EOOW) who now lay prone on the steel deck between the Throttleman (steam plant control panel operator) and the RO (reactor operator). Petty Officer Turner (RO, ETN1) had assumed command of Maneuvering, the aft control room for the Nuclear Engineering spaces. Now for the conclusion:

    While keeping an eye on the Rx controls, I ordered the EO (electrical operator) to my right to contact Control and inform the Officer of the Deck that the EOOW was dead, PO Turner was in charge and to send a relief EOOW and the Corpsman aft. Control acknowledged.

    Outside of Maneuvering was a huge compartment of electrical and mechanical equipment manned by several mobile watchstanders under the command of the Engineering Watch Supervisor or EWS. The EWS was always a senior enlisted man, usually a chief. I had the EO order the EWS to Maneuvering to temporarily assume command until help arrived from Control. Rickover is taking all this in. I see his hand point to the officer laying on the deck and he says in a normal voice, "RO, what are you going to do about him?"

    Turner: "He's dead, Sir."
    Rickover: "WELL LET'S SAY HE'S NOT DEAD!!!"
    Turner (speaking calmly): "Throttleman, provide aid to the EOOW as necessary and report back."

    The throttleman, recently certified in CPR, kneels and feels for a pulse...then looks at me and says, "He's dead." At that moment the EWS/chief shows up at the entrance to Maneuvering and firmly requests permission to enter and replace the EOOW. But before I could say, "Enter.", Rickover yells at the EWS, "GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE!!" The chief promptly does an about face and disappears like a flushed bird not to be seen any time soon. Then the Engineering Deprtment Officer shows up from Control and the same scene unfolds again. Permission to enter and a screaming order from Rickover to get out of Dodge. Like the chief before him a moment ago, the Engineer vaporizes into thin air.

    Now I'm a bit peeved. Rickover is no longer a notorious powerful admiral to me, but just a bully everyone from the captain on down fears; no one stands up to him. Besides, he is turning MY Maneuvering, where a deadly serious job occurs, into a Shakespearean farce.

    I grabbed the public address mike and angrily ordered the Corpsman - a Vietnam vet - to report to Maneuvering IMMEDIATELY ! The Corpsman pops up at the entrance in a flash. Rickover starts to say, "GET THE ...." Raising my voice louder than Rickover's I looked straight at the Corpsman and ordered him to enter and remove the prone EOOW. He rushed in, grabbed the EOOW under the armpits and disappeared out the door in a city second.

    I think Rickover was slightly stunned. It took him a moment or two before he said to his physicist/gofer,
    "Did you see that! Did you see that! They dragged him out of here like a sack of potatoes! That was good! That was really good!!

    About 10 seconds later multiple lights started flashing on my control panel and audio alarms assaulted our hearing. A Rx SCRAM!!! The curtain had dropped on the theater of the absurd and it was time to address the business at hand.

    (Enough for tonight. A short epilogue will follow later today.)
     
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