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Listen to this video, from Josh Pate - they talk about the state of Florida recruiting, and each of the Big 3's current state of recruiting....UF's comments are painful:

Starting at the 21:00 mark. At 25:15, speaks about UF specifically.

 

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Im starting to think they expect the team to fall apart and are just looking for other jobs/taking it easy.

Or they expect the team to fall apart and know they will need all the transfer portal debris they can land to do one year stop gaps.

It is hard to imagine struggling this badly for this many years and still free falling downard in the flagship of THE football talent state.
 

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This is an excerpt from The Athletic article:

How would you describe the way Florida recruits your players?
Coach 1: I don’t think UF recruits South Florida. They’re not too good at it. Maybe that’s by design or part of the strategy. Some of the coaches down here think they’re taking a more national approach to recruiting.

Coach 2: Attentively. Thoroughly. Constantly. Dan Mullen’s staff is constantly on you. They call. They want to talk to you. ‘What are you doing?’ It’s a much more intensive relationship than you have with Miami.

Coach 3: They do their homework on our players. When they want a player, they recruit him very, very hard. (Cornerbacks coach) Jules Montinar is the recruiter in the area. Southwest Florida in general is just a very underrecruited area. I think if you ask most of the coaches in Collier and Lee County, I think it’s just very underrecruited.

Coach 4: They do a good job. They’ve got a lot of Central Florida ties here. Coach Mullen was one of my coaches in the past. So I’ve had a relationship with him.

Coach 5: Energetic. Heavily involved. They usually have the position coach recruiting the guy they want. They don’t have a regional guy. They do a good job identifying kids before showing up to campus. They’re going to call, be interactive with me, text.

Coach 6: Florida does a phenomenal job. A lot of the coaches’ kids go to our school. We’ve had several kids play over there.

Coach 7: They haven’t been very aggressive, and we have a receiver Miami offered I definitely think could play for them. Today I got a text from Florida telling me to go to Friday Light Nights. Most of the relationship with them now is through text messages. I used to have more of a relationship with the previous staff. I don’t know if they look at Jacksonville as their backyard as much anymore because they can go get players elsewhere. It just doesn’t seem like they’re hammering this area, scouring to get players.

Coach 8: They’re more straight to the point. In my opinion, being an SEC school is probably why they’re more selective. They kind of march to their own drum. They do their own evaluations and offer the guys they like, and it’s not really based on the star system. (Defensive line coach) David Turner is our primary recruiter.

Coach 9: The only communication I’ve had with them is through email or sending out mail. It’s been a year and a half since they’ve been able to get out anyway. I think they’re always in communication.

Coach 10: I think it’s good. I’ve got a couple of players up there right now. I think they do a good job of getting the talent. A lot of high school coaches complain, but not everybody is an SEC guy.
 

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Here's some of the comments about FSU:

How would you describe the way Florida State recruits your players?
Coach 1: FSU is probably doing the best job out of the Big 3. They’re probably out front, but Miami is getting there.

Coach 2: Non-existent. The last time I spoke to Florida State was at a coaching seminar. I don’t speak to them. They don’t call me. They might talk to one of my assistant coaches. I did see Mike Norvell at a conference. He was great. He’s an A-plus person. But no one’s been on our campus for years.

Coach 3: Not as aggressive as Florida. They call. They reach out. They do inquire about our new players. But they really don’t do any follow-ups. After that initial phone call, they don’t really do much. Most of the time I think you’re getting them right after the season — November, December. Whenever they’re able to come to campuses. It kind of falls off with some schools. With other schools, they do a really good job reaching out. FSU really isn’t one of those.

Coach 4: Very similar to Florida. They’re really good, really aggressive. They’re good on the phone. I think Norvell is going to do a great job. I have a kid up there now and he was the first or second kid Norvell saw after getting the job. He hit the ground running and got on the plane and started seeing kids.

Coach 5: It’s starting to build under Norvell, but they’re slow to react, slow to pull the trigger (on offers). For me at least. We got a guy going (to a Big Ten school). He has an 1150 SAT. You can’t get much better than that character-wise and they just offered him only two weeks ago. They had two kids go up from the Tampa area there under Taggart and it didn’t last under Norvell. … I know their defensive coordinator from when he was at Marshall, but other than that I don’t have any relationships with them. I know they’re doing camps. Norvell has Southeast connections, but they don’t really include Florida. So maybe that’s why they do so much recruiting out of state.

Coach 6: I think Norvell has turned over a new leaf in his attempt to recruit the Gainesville/Ocala area a little bit better.

Coach 7: They’ve communicated a little bit more with my staff. Still pretty guarded with offers. I know them a little bit better. They check in a little bit more than Florida. Odell Haggins and Ron Dugans used to have Jacksonville. Since they moved out, FSU has turned (the area recruiting job) over a few times. It feels a little neglected by both Florida and Florida State. They don’t follow up with you as much. It just isn’t the same. Recruiting was much more personal when I first started coaching. I think a long time ago, Florida State and Florida would cut up the better players in this area. This area has become more like South Florida where kids are open to going to other places. It has to do with those schools not prioritizing the players as much.

Coach 8: It seems like if there is a top guy everybody is after, they’re after them. They’re great with relationships. More so than recruiting players, they do a good job recruiting and building a relationship with the high school coaches even if we don’t have a player they are after. … Sometimes they’ll like a kid and not offer him because they don’t want some of the other schools to jump in and swoop those kids away. Kind of like the (Sage) Ennis kid who went to Clemson from Lincoln (last year).

Coach 9: I think they do a good job. Their coaches reached out. We get emails from them. They’ve asked about a couple of kids. Coach (Marcus) Woodson is assigned to us. He’s been with us since Norvell got there.

Coach 10: It’s gotten a whole lot better since the Taggart era end. They had their satellite camp down here in Tampa. (Norvell) is reaching out to keep in touch with coaches via email. … We had some good players come through and none of them considered Florida State. I think some damage was done, obviously. It’s going to be a couple of years before they repair that damage. Now, there’s much more of a relationship. I think they’ll rebound or be back where they need to be. FSU should never have a .500 team at all.
 

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And this is Miami comments:

How would you describe the way Miami recruits your players?
Coach 1: Miami has T-Rob (Travaris Robinson), so at some point, they’re going to land some guys. That’s been the card everywhere he has gone.

Coach 2: I would say lackadaisical or very laid back. Not as aggressive as others. You’ll have to wait until signing day to see if that approach works.

Coach 3: I think Miami’s pretty aggressive. They’ve done a really good job in the past of getting kids on campus whether it be a Junior Day or whatever it is. They’ve always recruited our kids hard. They send their coaches our way and their coaches are usually on point.

Coach 4: My buddy is there, T-Rob. He’s amped it up a lot. But before that, they did a good job. They recruited our linebacker. They were recruiting him before T-Rob got there.

Coach 5: It’s almost non-existent. I took our running back who committed elsewhere as a sophomore down there to a camp a few years back. Al Golden offered him there. That’s the last time I’ve been down there and the last time I’ve been asked to go down there by Miami. Now, there are Tampa kids that go down there for camps. But here’s my opinion: I think Dan Mullen does a better job recruiting football players and figuring out how to fit them into a system. We had a defensive lineman who was 6-2 1/2 not 6-4 and Miami told me they were not offering him. That’s Miami. They’re much more numbers-based.

Coach 6: I think they’ve done a good job recruiting our players. We’ve had three or four kids play at the University of Miami over the years. So, obviously, they’ve done a good job coming into Gainesville and getting talent when they really want it.

Coach 7: When (Georgia assistant Todd) Hartley was there, I thought Hartley did an awesome job. For years, kids from this area wouldn’t go to Miami. There were one or two kids in the early 2000s who went down there and didn’t do very well, and it became a cautionary tale that if you go to Miami they’ll favor the South Florida kids. You won’t get the same opportunities as the kids from Dade, Broward or Palm Beach. But once they got (Shaq) Quarterman, (Michael) Pinckney, (Kendrick) Norton and (Will) Mallory and they were successful, Miami started making in-roads in Jacksonville.

Coach 8: Our primary recruiter was Mike Rumph for years and now DVD (DeMarcus Van Dyke) has taken over. One thing I’ll say about DVD, I’ve had his number since he was down at ASA College in Miami. He’s been the same recruiter since then. He was a hard recruiter back then and he is now. We don’t have a lot of dealings with them now because we don’t have anybody they want now. But they do keep tabs and invite us to camps and stuff. Our relationship with them and the distance isn’t a problem. They’re always accessible. My coaches, I’ve got a couple of guys who talk to their guys on staff. We’ve known T-Rob since he was at South Carolina and (tight ends coach Stephen) Field was a high school coach before. They really do have an ace recruiting staff.

Coach 9: We don’t see much of Miami. They have checked in on a few kids and evaluated a few kids through the years. Again, we haven’t had a lot of big-time prospects in two or three years. That’s just the way it is. Even from the (Dan) Mullen staff, back when they could get out, we would see them every spring. Miami, we probably don’t see them much. But I have seen ’em some.

Coach 10: They do a good job, too. They’re going to get on guys before anybody else. If I’ve got a dude, they get on them before Ohio State or Michigan or Alabama. They’re proactive with how they recruit and I think they do a good job. Manny (Diaz) does a great job contacting coaches and letting them know what’s going on.
 

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Im starting to think they expect the team to fall apart and are just looking for other jobs/taking it easy.

Or they expect the team to fall apart and know they will need all the transfer portal debris they can land to do one year stop gaps.

I mentioned last year that someone I know personally broke then news to Gray about a commitment(think it was the Scooby kid). There is, and has been, so much a lack of continuity with the staff on the recruiting front. I have no idea why, or even how, Mullen allowed things to get to this point. Like I've said, money or not, I can't even imagine telling my family we'll have to uproot yet again, knowing the whole thing was avoidable. It's maddening.
 

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This is an excerpt from The Athletic article:

How would you describe the way Florida recruits your players?
Coach 1: I don’t think UF recruits South Florida. They’re not too good at it. Maybe that’s by design or part of the strategy. Some of the coaches down here think they’re taking a more national approach to recruiting.

Coach 2: Attentively. Thoroughly. Constantly. Dan Mullen’s staff is constantly on you. They call. They want to talk to you. ‘What are you doing?’ It’s a much more intensive relationship than you have with Miami.

Coach 3: They do their homework on our players. When they want a player, they recruit him very, very hard. (Cornerbacks coach) Jules Montinar is the recruiter in the area. Southwest Florida in general is just a very underrecruited area. I think if you ask most of the coaches in Collier and Lee County, I think it’s just very underrecruited.

Coach 4: They do a good job. They’ve got a lot of Central Florida ties here. Coach Mullen was one of my coaches in the past. So I’ve had a relationship with him.

Coach 5: Energetic. Heavily involved. They usually have the position coach recruiting the guy they want. They don’t have a regional guy. They do a good job identifying kids before showing up to campus. They’re going to call, be interactive with me, text.

Coach 6: Florida does a phenomenal job. A lot of the coaches’ kids go to our school. We’ve had several kids play over there.

Coach 7: They haven’t been very aggressive, and we have a receiver Miami offered I definitely think could play for them. Today I got a text from Florida telling me to go to Friday Light Nights. Most of the relationship with them now is through text messages. I used to have more of a relationship with the previous staff. I don’t know if they look at Jacksonville as their backyard as much anymore because they can go get players elsewhere. It just doesn’t seem like they’re hammering this area, scouring to get players.

Coach 8: They’re more straight to the point. In my opinion, being an SEC school is probably why they’re more selective. They kind of march to their own drum. They do their own evaluations and offer the guys they like, and it’s not really based on the star system. (Defensive line coach) David Turner is our primary recruiter.

Coach 9: The only communication I’ve had with them is through email or sending out mail. It’s been a year and a half since they’ve been able to get out anyway. I think they’re always in communication.

Coach 10: I think it’s good. I’ve got a couple of players up there right now. I think they do a good job of getting the talent. A lot of high school coaches complain, but not everybody is an SEC guy.

I read this a couple days ago. My biggest takeaway is that Mullen is a good recruiter but his staff is mediocre.

and the failure to recruit Jax is mind boggling.
 

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This is the panel who answered each question:

Here’s the panel:

Talent evaluator 1: a South Florida-based statewide talent evaluator with more than 20 years of experience
Talent evaluator 2: a Tampa-based statewide talent evaluator with more than 20 years of experience

Coach 1: Fort Lauderdale area assistant coach and trainer with more than 10 years of experience
Coach 2: Miami area high school coach with more than 15 years of experience
Coach 3: Naples area high school coach with more than 20 years of experience
Coach 4: Orlando area high school coach with more than 20 years of experience
Coach 5: St. Petersburg area high school coach with more than 15 years of experience
Coach 6: Gainesville area high school coach with more than 25 years of experience
Coach 7: Jacksonville area high school coach with more than 20 years of experience
Coach 8: Tallahassee area high school coach with more than 15 years of experience
Coach 9: Panhandle area high school coach with more than 35 years of experience
Coach 10: Tampa area high school with more than 25 years of experience
 

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Would it be too much to ask that he picks up the damn phone? Dan and this staff should have a daily call sheet, someone needs to start micromanaging them like it's their first sales job out of college.
 

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Would it be too much to ask that he picks up the damn phone? Dan and this staff should have a daily call sheet, someone needs to start micromanaging them like it's their first sales job out of college.

I’m going to create a salesforce login for them.
 

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I read this a couple days ago. My biggest takeaway is that Mullen is a good recruiter but his staff is mediocre.

and the failure to recruit Jax is mind boggling.
Mullen is a terrible recruiter as demonstrated by his results, and the results of his staff that he hand-picks.
 

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Mullen is a terrible recruiter as demonstrated by his results, and the results of his staff that he hand-picks.

I read the article and while there are two positives thrown directly at Mullen (one that was formerly coached by Mullen), I don't get J's comment. But they were positive overall of the changes since Mullen has taken over. But again, it's a results based business, and the results speak for themselves.
 

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I read this a couple days ago. My biggest takeaway is that Mullen is a good recruiter but his staff is mediocre.

and the failure to recruit Jax is mind boggling.
Id almost bet that one positive review was an interview of someone who had a running QB combo and he was recruiting. Maybe he is better with recruiting the HS coaches than the players. Any one opinion probably doesnt mean much though, it is the trend of data across most of the HS coaches opinions.

Hilarious that we dont exist in Jax or Tampa, but we knew that. Im ok with avoiding scUM area. They just always seem to be trouble when they move to an area with actual law enforcement, like Gainesville.

In the end you are what your record says you are.

Mediocre at best recruiter and medicore at best HC.
 

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Its just obvious that they aren't really going to work hard on recruiting. I think they look at the portal as a way to justify being lazy. It seems like we will always be one season away from a down season and never going into a season that is our year. We will win 9-10 games a year but never really be competitive for a ring of any sort.
 

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Its just obvious that they aren't really going to work hard on recruiting. I think they look at the portal as a way to justify being lazy. It seems like we will always be one season away from a down season and never going into a season that is our year. We will win 9-10 games a year but never really be competitive for a ring of any sort.

Not with what's going on in Tally and CG, not to mention Athens. It's not hard to win at UF. But the teams around us are constantly cycling and each have their own built-in advantages, which is why they never go completely away. As such, things can go the wrong way very fast if you're not careful. If we maintain the current talent disparity, we will soon enough be on the wrong side of things in 3-4 games a year, with another rival down south also beating us despite not being on our schedule. That all but guarantees 3-4 losses a season, which will not fly. Stricklin can tweet all he wants and try to remain calm, cool and collected. But he isn't going to have a say.
 

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Not with what's going on in Tally and CG, not to mention Athens. It's not hard to win at UF. But the teams around us are constantly cycling and each have their own built-in advantages, which is why they never go completely away. As such, things can go the wrong way very fast if you're not careful. If we maintain the current talent disparity, we will soon enough be on the wrong side of things in 3-4 games a year, with another rival down south also beating us despite not being on our schedule. That all but guarantees 3-4 losses a season, which will not fly. Stricklin can tweet all he wants and try to remain calm, cool and collected. But he isn't going to have a say.

Not to beat a dead horse of an argument from another thread, the SEC East is garbage presently. Until another team in the east steps up we should have some easy wins there. Add in the typical cup cakes OOC and we will get those 9 wins.
 

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Not to beat a dead horse of an argument from another thread, the SEC East is garbage presently. Until another team in the east steps up we should have some easy wins there. Add in the typical cup cakes OOC and we will get those 9 wins.

We've yet to see a game with either Uk or Usce that wasn't a serious contest. As some here point out, that will eventually catch up with you, and I'm not sure either team isn't going to be as good or better going forward(maybe not Usce this year). The vols may eventually get things straightened enough to become a viable threat again as well. But even without that, Lsu, uga and now it seems fsu will be ahead of us consistently in terms of talent. If things don't pick up, they will be lightyears ahead. It will get ugly and he'll be gone.
 
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