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This whole section really says a lot. If you really look at the fact that you are talking TOP 25 here and FSU generally has Top 5 talent/recruiting. The realization that his record is 9-9 without Jameis and most of that is against teams that have less talent (based on recruiting) says a ton!


With or without Jameis, he's having his way with us. Tired of getting owned by that clown
 

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You can't fire him right before the season that would be stupid. I am however 100% on board with him being fired as early as week 6 if drastic improvement isn't shown.

Chip Kelly hired in the middle of a season with plenty of time to recruit and put together a staff is a huge upgrade over Mac.
Yes, Captain Obvious, I doubt anyone would fire a coach a month prior to the season starting.

A slam dunk hire will have demonstrated three qualities:

1) Winning with less: The candidate will have demonstrated that he has shown the ability as a head coach to take poor teams and make them into winners (see Spurrier at Duke, Meyer at Utah).
2) Offensive aplomb: The candidate will have demonstrated consistent top 20 offenses wherever he's been.
3) Recruiting: The candidate will have demonstrated outstanding recruiting abilities with connections in the SE a strong plus.
 

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1) Winning with less: The candidate will have demonstrated that he has shown the ability as a head coach to take poor teams and make them into winners (see Spurrier at Duke, Meyer at Utah).
I LIKE #2 and #3, though all three would be great. If you have a decent recruiter, it seems like you should never have LESS at THE University of Florida.
 
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With or without Jameis, he's having his way with us. Tired of getting owned by that clown

He is 1-6 in this time against Florida during probably the worst 7 year stretch of Florida Coaches in half a century or more. For a guy who routinely has a top 5 recruiting classes, and can't say UF has been as talented as FSU the past half decade or more. He should have that record with that wealth of talent. The real question, how could he have teams with that much more talent and have games that are close in the late 3rd quarter. I
 

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Yes, Captain Obvious, I doubt anyone would fire a coach a month prior to the season starting.

A slam dunk hire will have demonstrated three qualities:

1) Winning with less: The candidate will have demonstrated that he has shown the ability as a head coach to take poor teams and make them into winners (see Spurrier at Duke, Meyer at Utah).
2) Offensive aplomb: The candidate will have demonstrated consistent top 20 offenses wherever he's been.
3) Recruiting: The candidate will have demonstrated outstanding recruiting abilities with connections in the SE a strong plus.
How good was Oregon before and after chip kelly? And where was his offenses ranked?
 

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Once again, Chip Kelly had a show cause. It's expired now, but anyone that hires Kelly is placing themselves under the NCAA microscope. Kelly skipped town before they could nab him last time. If he comes back within the NCAA's jurisdiction they are going to be all in on catching him again.

I think Kelly is one of the best offensive minds out there. I also think he is going to bring probation, loss of scholarships, bowl bans and forfeited games on which ever team is foolish enough to hire him and invite the NCAA to set up office on their campus.
 

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How good was Oregon before and after chip kelly? And where was his offenses ranked?

Would Kelly's run at Oregon been so good, if it didn't correspond with USC NCAA punishment? I mean having Lane Kiffin as your head coach is worse than any reduction in scholarships.
 

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Once again, Chip Kelly had a show cause. It's expired now, but anyone that hires Kelly is placing themselves under the NCAA microscope. Kelly skipped town before they could nab him last time. If he comes back within the NCAA's jurisdiction they are going to be all in on catching him again.

I think Kelly is one of the best offensive minds out there. I also think he is going to bring probation, loss of scholarships, bowl bans and forfeited games on which ever team is foolish enough to hire him and invite the NCAA to set up office on their campus.
Or maybe he could just not do whatever he did to get in trouble the last time being that it's now obvious his only coaching opportunity is at the college level. People act like he's a felon or that he's the only coach to ever see how far he could bend the rules in recruiting.

He's a great coach that runs an extremely exciting offense that could actually get kids excited to play here again but let's dismiss him for a show clause that's over and keep running Nuschumps vaunted offense instead.
 

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keep running Nuschumps vaunted offense instead.
Why not? At this point, why not see how.many straight 100+ offenses Nuuschump can reel off?

Im not sure anyone has managed 4 in a row. Anyone know the record?
 
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So...you don't think some idiot tweeting a Photoshoped picture of him (which has already been retweeted several times) sitting in front of a plate cocaine hurts? Seriously? I'll bite...since u claim to know how recruiting works tell me how it helps us?

you think recruits care what some person photoshops? Really....

17-18 year old kids are out chasing twat and more interested in getting ****ed up then a photo on twitter...
 

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He is 1-6 in this time against Florida during probably the worst 7 year stretch of Florida Coaches in half a century or more. For a guy who routinely has a top 5 recruiting classes, and can't say UF has been as talented as FSU the past half decade or more. He should have that record with that wealth of talent. The real question, how could he have teams with that much more talent and have games that are close in the late 3rd quarter. I

That don't make the losses feel any better to me, sick of losing to those guys and there doesn't seem to be any end in sight.
 

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Or maybe he could just not do whatever he did to get in trouble the last time being that it's now obvious his only coaching opportunity is at the college level. People act like he's a felon or that he's the only coach to ever see how far he could bend the rules in recruiting.

He's a great coach that runs an extremely exciting offense that could actually get kids excited to play here again but let's dismiss him for a show clause that's over and keep running Nuschumps vaunted offense instead.

I'm just stating the obvious. Once a coach has a show cause on his resume, very few schools want the NCAA attention that would come with hiring him.

If a school willingly and knowingly hires a guy the NCAA has publically labeled as a cheater they can't expect any mercy if that coach gets caught cheating again. It would pretty much be a guaranteed lack of institutional control charge.
 

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I'm just stating the obvious. Once a coach has a show cause on his resume, very few schools want the NCAA attention that would come with hiring him.

If a school willingly and knowingly hires a guy the NCAA has publically labeled as a cheater they can't expect any mercy if that coach gets caught cheating again. It would pretty much be a guaranteed lack of institutional control charge.
And yet, Calipari, ya know what I mean.
 

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This whole section really says a lot. If you really look at the fact that you are talking TOP 25 here and FSU generally has Top 5 talent/recruiting. The realization that his record is 9-9 without Jameis and most of that is against teams that have less talent (based on recruiting) says a ton!
On the positive side, please note sarcasm - Mac is 0 - 2 against Jumbo with ZERO offensive TD's in those two games. I really do not care what his recrord is against any other school, He owns Mac & NussChump.
 
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