As soon as Cleveland was ruled out, we had no chance...

[heversle]

Franks has proven to be serviceable at this point of his development, but he currently doesn’t have a true deep threat. I never expected to see much out of the passing game because of this. This team is not deep at the receiver position like we’ve heard.

Before the suspensions, Callaway and Cleveland were the only receivers capable of stretching the field vertically.

Hammond and Swain or average or slightly below average SEC receivers at best.

Toney has the speed, but we use him more like a RB by running the same two wildcat plays over and over.

Everybody else is a smallish, slot receiver that is bullied by any DB that is taller than 5’10.

Unless we manage to keep the recruiting class we have in tact somehow, expect more of the same in the immediate future.

 

[GBHOR]

Serviceable is being kind to Franks, imo, he just doesn't throw a nice ball, he heaves the hell out of it most times, and even a blind squirrel.....
Just my 2 pennies

 

[gatormandan]

Unless we manage to keep the recruiting class we have in tact somehow, expect more of the same in the immediate future.

Maybe. Talent alone cant save us.

 

[maheo30]

As soon as Mac hired Nuss we had no chance.

 

[GatorArts]

As soon as Mac got hired, we had no chance...

FTFY

 

[heversle]

Serviceable is being kind to Franks, imo, he just doesn't throw a nice ball, he heaves the hell out of it most times, and even a blind squirrel.....
Just my 2 pennies

He’s just erratic at times. The kid clearly has talent, but it’s clear he is limited with what he is allowed to do within the offense. Maybe it’s because he’s proven he is mistake prone when given too much responsibility, maybe it’s because we just don’t have the playmakers on the outside, or maybe a little bit of both. Also, he hasn’t really been coached up at the high school level like a lot of recruits coming in. It’s his first time running a semblance of an actual offense and it shows, especially procedurally. I just hope Corral will still come here. I really pray that his natural ability and intangibles can overcome the mediocre coaching he’s bound to receive.

 

[gatorkev85]

As soon as Mac hired Nuss we had no chance.

As soon as Foley hired Mac we had no chance!

 

[Renard904]

Franks has proven to be serviceable at this point of his development, but he currently doesn’t have a true deep threat. I never expected to see much out of the passing game because of this. This team is not deep at the receiver position like we’ve heard.

Before the suspensions, Callaway and Cleveland were the only receivers capable of stretching the field vertically.

Hammond and Swain or average or slightly below average SEC receivers at best.

Toney has the speed, but we use him more like a RB by running the same two wildcat plays over and over.

Everybody else is a smallish, slot receiver that is bullied by any DB that is taller than 5’10.

Unless we manage to keep the recruiting class we have in tact somehow, expect more of the same in the immediate future.

With all due respect, you must be high as a kite! I'm sick of people blaming the kids. These kids play hard for our university. I kept seeing people criticize Felipe and that really pisses me off. You could have prime Peyton throwing to prime Randy Moss and Jerry Rice and it wouldn't help this pathetic coaching staff.

Hammond and Swain are just fine. These were highly recruited kids and there's no doubt in my mind that they would be balling at other schools.

If anything, I feel sorry for the kids. They chose to come represent the school that we love, but the leadership has really let these kids down.

Sorry for venting, but I don't agree when adult fans criticize kids that play for free. How about starting a thread aimed at the adults that are collecting exorbitant salaries, yet they continue to suck.

 

[GBHOR]

He’s just erratic at times. The kid clearly has talent, but it’s clear he is limited with what he is allowed to do within the offense. Maybe it’s because he’s proven he is mistake prone when given too much responsibility, maybe it’s because we just don’t have the playmakers on the outside, or maybe a little bit of both. Also, he hasn’t really been coached up at the high school level like a lot of recruits coming in. It’s his first time running a semblance of an actual offense and it shows, especially procedurally. I just hope Corral will still come here. I really pray that his natural ability and intangibles can overcome the mediocre coaching he’s bound to receive.

I get what ur saying, let's say it's coaching, and it is, the same coach had Grier, a "true"freshman, and yet Grier just looked the part, he seemed in control. I guess it's just my eye test. Supposedly we have more weapons now and franks has a year in the "system", whatever it is, and I just don't see it, but here is to hoping.

 

[diehardg8r]

He’s just erratic at times. The kid clearly has talent, but it’s clear he is limited with what he is allowed to do within the offense. Maybe it’s because he’s proven he is mistake prone when given too much responsibility, maybe it’s because we just don’t have the playmakers on the outside, or maybe a little bit of both. Also, he hasn’t really been coached up at the high school level like a lot of recruits coming in. It’s his first time running a semblance of an actual offense and it shows, especially procedurally. I just hope Corral will still come here. I really pray that his natural ability and intangibles can overcome the mediocre coaching he’s bound to receive.

Danielson said it best when he brought up the fact that Franks was being "managed" by the coaching staff but that you can't win in this league with that. We saw that management on our last possession. Only for the extra effort by Davis did we manage one first down, other wise another 3 and out. As far as Grier goes, he had a much better defense, Callaway, which Franks really hasn't had and I think a better o-line.

 

[GBHOR]

With all due respect, you must be high as a kite! I'm sick of people blaming the kids. These kids play hard for our university. I kept seeing people criticize Felipe and that really pisses me off. You could have prime Peyton throwing to prime Randy Moss and Jerry Rice and it wouldn't help this pathetic coaching staff.

Hammond and Swain are just fine. These were highly recruited kids and there's no doubt in my mind that they would be balling at other schools.

If anything, I feel sorry for the kids. They chose to come represent the school that we love, but the leadership has really let these kids down.

Sorry for venting, but I don't agree when adult fans criticize kids that play for free. How about starting a thread aimed at the adults that are collecting exorbitant salaries, yet they continue to suck.[/

Most threads are adults (MacNuss) suck here

 

[Acecustis]

Swain needs to get his head out of his ass. He hasn't proven to be anything but below average at this point. It is hard to remember if Josh Hammond is on the team. The rest of the season looks to be Cleveland, Powell, and Toney. These other guys can't ball at this level.

 

[G8trwood]

Look how long it was taking us to get plays in on the last drive and last two years. That is not kids

 

[heversle]

With all due respect, you must be high as a kite! I'm sick of people blaming the kids. These kids play hard for our university. I kept seeing people criticize Felipe and that really pisses me off. You could have prime Peyton throwing to prime Randy Moss and Jerry Rice and it wouldn't help this pathetic coaching staff.

Hammond and Swain are just fine. These were highly recruited kids and there's no doubt in my mind that they would be balling at other schools.

If anything, I feel sorry for the kids. They chose to come represent the school that we love, but the leadership has really let these kids down.

Sorry for venting, but I don't agree when adult fans criticize kids that play for free. How about starting a thread aimed at the adults that are collecting exorbitant salaries, yet they continue to suck.

We just lost. You're a bit sensitive right now. I get it, but I didn't say anything that wasn't true. It's a message board. If I feel like critiquing our football team after a bad loss, I will. Hammond and Swain are just OK or "fine" as you say. Where I come from, being "fine" is the same as being average. That's not an indictment of their character or what kind of kids they are. But to say that they are anything other than possession receivers at this point is a stretch. Saying we don't have legitimate deep threats outside of Cleveland is just a fact, dude.

 

[diehardg8r]

We just lost. You're a bit sensitive right now. I get it, but I didn't say anything that wasn't true. It's a message board. If I feel like critiquing our football team after a bad loss, I will. Hammond and Swain are just OK or "fine" as you say. Where I come from, being "fine" is the same as being average. That's not an indictment of their character or what kind of kids they are. But to say that they are anything other than possession receivers at this point is a stretch. Saying we don't have legitimate deep threats outside of Cleveland is just a fact, dude.

You cant take any HS kid, I don't care how good they were in HS and put them on a team with shyt for coaches and just expect them to take the next step.......it doesn't happen. But for some reason this staff seems to just expect someone to show up every weekend and save their jobs and bail their sorry asses out. It's watching Callaway trying to fair catch a ball on the 5 yd line, or two O-lineman on youtube blocking each other. Or maybe having your punter spinning the ball on an XP which every ST coach know is unnecessary for an XP. We don't manage the clock well and punt and KO coverage is still not good, although better today. Before I start jumping on the kids I need to have confidence that the coaching staff has a clue.......I don't!!

 

[heversle]

You cant take any HS kid, I don't care how good they were in HS and put them on a team with shyt for coaches and just expect them to take the next step.......it doesn't happen. But for some reason this staff seems to just expect someone to show up every weekend and save their jobs and bail their sorry asses out.

Cleveland did a few weeks ago. So did Callaway. Also, Malik Davis and Kadarius Toney seem to be doing well. Elite players are capable of bailing out mediocre coaches. It happens quite a bit in college football, not as much in the NFL. Unfortunately, we only have a handful of elite kids on the roster.

 

[Renard904]

We just lost. You're a bit sensitive right now. I get it, but I didn't say anything that wasn't true. It's a message board. If I feel like critiquing our football team after a bad loss, I will. Hammond and Swain are just OK or "fine" as you say. Where I come from, being "fine" is the same as being average. That's not an indictment of their character or what kind of kids they are. But to say that they are anything other than possession receivers at this point is a stretch. Saying we don't have legitimate deep threats outside of Cleveland is just a fact, dude.

I get your point, but what I'm saying is you're off base with your assessment. What was so egregious with Hammond and Swain?

Have you not watched this team over the past 3 years? I refuse to keep blaming the players when they change every year. The only constant is Mac and Nuss.

I feel you're being unfair to the players. Honestly, you could go down the offensive roster and pick anyone and say they're underperforming. But like I recently told a friend of mine, it can't be the players. While our recruiting has lacked in recent years, we still get good players. The fact that the product on the field is crappy is all on the coaching staff.

 

[diehardg8r]

Cleveland did a few weeks ago. So did Callaway. Also, Malik Davis and Kadarius Toney seem to be doing well. Elite players are capable of bailing out mediocre coaches. It happens quite a bit in college football, not as much in the NFL. Unfortunately, we only have a handful of elite kids on the roster.

They won't be able to do that in the big games against good team. Hope and a strategy.

 

[heversle]

I get your point, but what I'm saying is you're off base with your assessment. What was so egregious with Hammond and Swain?

Have you not watched this team over the past 3 years? I refuse to keep blaming the players when they change every year. The only constant is Mac and Nuss.

I feel you're being unfair to the players. Honestly, you could go down the offensive roster and pick anyone and say they're underperforming. But like I recently told a friend of mine, it can't be the players. While our recruiting has lacked in recent years, we still get good players. The fact that the product on the field is crappy is all on the coaching staff.

I think you're blowing what I'm saying out of proportion. There is nothing egregious about Hammond or Swain. I blame the coaches just as much as you for how predictable we look on offense. The difference is I'm just being brutally honest about the personnel. If you're an opposing defensive coach, you're not game planning for any of our receivers outside of Tyrie Cleveland. Powell plays his ass off, but he's an ancillary piece to any offense. I can't even consider Toney a receiver at this point because we don't seem to want to throw him the ball, despite the playmaking ability he's exhibited. Franks isn't gonna throw for 200 or 300 yards with the receivers we have available. It's just not happening.

 

[Renard904]

I think you're blowing what I'm saying out of proportion. There is nothing egregious about Hammond or Swain. I blame the coaches just as much as you for how predictable we look on offense. The difference is I'm just being brutally honest about the personnel. If you're an opposing defensive coach, you're not game planning for any of our receivers outside of Tyrie Cleveland. Powell plays his ass off, but he's an ancillary piece to any offense. I can't even consider Toney a receiver at this point because we don't seem to want to throw him the ball, despite the playmaking ability he's exhibited. Franks isn't gonna throw for 200 or 300 yards with the receivers we have available. It's just not happening.

Why would you gamelan for Cleveland? Mac is his coach.

Look, Cleveland has been our best receiver, but it's not like he was setting the world on fire either. When is the last time we had a 1000 yard receiver? My point is just that it's hard for me to empathize with anyone saying the players are underperforming when they aren't being coached properly.

Hammond and Swain may not be 1st Rd draft prospects, but they're not sorry. I don't see them dropping passes that they should catch or running the wrong routes. They're decent college receivers.