Coaching decisions directly responsible for loss

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Florida and LSU have basically been equals this season. After the 17-16 loss to the Tigers, Florida’s point differential stands at plus-4, the exact same as LSU.

The only difference between the two had been that Florida had won close games against Tennessee and Kentucky while LSU had lost its close game last week versus Troy.

And that’s exactly what we saw Saturday afternoon in The Swamp. Two flawed teams fought through all of the mistakes, and Florida just wasn’t able to overcome the last critical mistake on a point-after attempt.

But the blame for this loss shouldn’t fall on kicker Eddy Pineiro or punter Johnny Townsend. No, while theirs was the mistake that accounted for the difference in the score, it was hardly the only mistake made in the game.

Here are the other issues:

Defensive performance
Lots of folks are going to look at the 341 yards given up – and the 216 yards on the ground – and assume the Florida defense played terribly. Those people are wrong.

The defense got gashed early on with jet sweeps by the LSU wide receivers, but that was actually brilliant play-design by LSU offensive coordinator Matt Canada. This included the 30-yard TD run for Russell Gage to put LSU up 7-0.

It became clear that Florida’s strategy was to play a safety deep while walking up the other safety for run support. You can see that from the unbalanced alignment of Nick Washington (8) and Shawn Davis (31). However, that meant that linebacker Donovan Stiner (13) was the only man capable of getting to Gage because the play went away from Washington.

You can see immediately after the snap that Davis starts to backpedal toward the middle of the field and Stiner gets pinned inside by the wide receiver. Washington has to come completely across the field to try to tackle Gage. By then, it’s just too late.

But defensive coordinator Randy Shannon and the defense made a key adjustment after that touchdown drive.

The Gators defense still kept its single high safety alignment going forward. But the change they made was that the safety dropping deep was not determined until after the snap.


In the clip above, you can see safety Chauncey Gardner (23) and Davis (31) gesturing to each other. They are signaling based on the side of the field that the jet sweep will come. In this clip, Davis is on top of Gage the minute the ball is snapped. This eliminated the linebacker from the play. The sweep was now the safety’s responsibility.

This adjustment shut down much of the jet sweep game that LSU was running. It’s not a coincidence that LSU averaged 25 yards per sweep on 3 attempts on the first two drives and 4.3 yards on 7 attempts thereafter. In the postgame presser, McElwain said the Gators didn’t stop the sweeps, but he is incorrect. After that adjustment, the Gators defense most definitely did stop it.

The defense played much better in the second quarter. The Gators got caught in blitzes a couple of times on the LSU field goal drive at the end of the half – once on an Etling run and another on a tight end screen – but again that’s just a case where you have to tip your cap to Canada for having the right play called.

The defense was actually lights out in the second half except for one key mistake. Most Gators fans will argue that the deep ball ruled a catch to LSU receiver D.J. Chark was actually an interception. They may be right. But the ball never should have gotten to the receiver.


When the ball is snapped, both safeties (Gardner and Davis) begin backpedaling immediately. This means the Gators are in 2-deep coverage. The safety’s job is to support the corner deep on half of the field. The linebackers then drop back into the middle of the field for any routes across the middle or come up in run support.

This defense usually fails because if a team is running effectively, the quarterback can complete passes over the linebackers but in front of the safeties. It is designed to protect against big plays on the boundary.

Because LSU is in max protection, there are only two receivers out on routes. That means Gardner has deep responsibility for one with Davis on the other. Cornerback Duke Dawson (7) has underneath coverage responsibility.

Gardner is late getting over, which leaves Dawson to fight with Chark. Gardner played a great game, but this was a mistake that led to an LSU touchdown and a 17-3 lead.

But overall, the defense played well. That drive ended in a touchdown with 10:55 left in the third quarter. The Gators defense only gave up 62 yards from that point on, which is why the offense had a chance to come back.

Would I like to see a shutout? Of course. But based on the limitations of the personnel on defense, those are going to be rare this season. Instead, the Florida defense is going to have to adjust based on the strengths and weaknesses of the opposition. That isn’t what we’re used to in Gainesville, but it is where this defense is at.

Offensive performance
I had a hard time putting my finger on exactly what was going wrong with the Florida offense live during the first half. But all of the drives seemed to stall out at fourth-and-1. It wasn’t that the Gators weren’t moving the ball or getting decent push. It was that they just couldn’t seem to sustain much of anything.

So I went back and charted the offensive drives for the entire game. That’s where the key to Florida’s offensive success and ineptitude became clear.

2017-10-08-Touches-vs-scoring_glv3ju.jpg

Correlation between touches for Malik Davis, Lamical Perine and Kadarius Toney and scoring points for Florida. (Will Miles/SEC Country)
With Tyrie Cleveland out, it’s no secret that Kadarius Toney, Malik Davis and Lamical Perine are Florida’s best offensive weapons. They accounted for 79 percent of the Gators’ yards in this game and when they got the ball consistently, the Gators scored.

In the non-scoring drives (7), the Gators ran 28 plays and got the ball to Toney, Davis or Perine 54 percent of the time. On its scoring drives (3), the Gators ran 27 plays and got the ball to those three 70 percent of the time.

And it isn’t a coincidence that the Gators scored 13 of their 16 points in the second half. In the first half, those three touched the ball 54 percent of the time compared to 69 percent of the time in the second half. And if you look at the last three drives in the fourth quarter, those players were back to touching the ball on 54 percent of the plays.

Calling plays is difficult. It requires understanding what the defense is trying to do and then calling plays to exploit those tendencies. Sometimes you get caught in a bad play or guess wrong. But it sure does seem like trying to run plays where those three aren’t the primary target is counterproductive at this point.

For example, Florida opened the game with a 15-yard screen to Perine on a wonderful misdirection.


The misdirection worked so well because the offense typically rolls out right and throws to one of two receivers coming across the formation. They ran the that typical play a couple of times later – twice for first downs – but never came back to the misdirection.

Toney had zero catches – and even worse – zero targets. The Gators only ran the Toney/Davis combo in the wildcat once or twice. On the third- and fourth-down play-calls on the last drive, Brandon Powell was the target, not one of the three who had carried the load. The Gators actually ran the exact same play twice in a row. Same formation. Same route tree. On the first, Davis was in to pass protect. On the second, Davis, Perine and Toney were all on the sideline.

Coaching performance
Obviously, the play-calling is part of the coaching performance. But I want to focus on two other situations to analyze the coaching.

The first was the end of the first half. Florida quarterback Feleipe Franks dropped back with 25 second left and was promptly sacked. But Florida had a timeout. And perhaps more importantly, LSU did not.

The Gators would have had two timeouts had McElwain not been indecisive on fourth down on the opening drive. That is a mistake because those decisions should have been made during game-planning, not during the game.

Regardless, the Gators could have called timeout with 19 seconds left after the sack and tried to hit a quick out-route or two to get into Pineiro’s field goal range. They probably even had time to throw something over the middle if LSU was guarding the boundary. Instead, McElwain let the clock run out and the Gators went into the half trailing 10-3.

You might be able to excuse that as not wanting to risk a turnover. I hate that rationale, but I do understand it. But there’s no excuse for what happened after the Gators turned the ball over on downs in the fourth quarter.

There was just 1:33 left and, for some reason, LSU decided to run the ball instead of just dancing around a little bit after the snap and taking a knee. McElwain has to instruct his defense to let LSU score here.

If LSU scores, you’re down 24-16 with 1:15 left and no timeouts. With the strategy McElwain chose, the best case scenario was LSU would punt out of the end zone on fourth down as time expired.

The end of the first half was bad. This was just inexcusable. And it’s not as if McElwain hasn’t thought about this type of situation recently. He’s the guy who criticized Malik Davis for scoring against Vanderbilt last week instead of taking a knee. He’s seen his own team screw this up and give the other team a shot they otherwise shouldn’t have.

The rest of the article is below

https://www.seccountry.com/florida/...responsible-florida-gators-17-16-loss-lsu/amp
 

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Here's a question related to the "let LSU score" idea. Why would LSU not do exactly what McElwain wanted Davis to do the week before....just fall down?
If the Florida defense had offered no resistance so as to let them score I would guess the LSU tailback would have simply run near the goal line and stopped. Or run back and forth from sideline to sideline to eat up more clock. Not sure why it's automatically assumed that they would have gone ahead and scored if allowed and thus given UF the ball back.
Is that not a logical conclusion?
 

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After Grier left, this staff stubbornly refused to change, to try anything new. Go back and read this board. Many of us were screaming about how this staff kept running the plays, the same offense and getting the same putrid result. They are still running it. I would not hold my breath waiting for Mac/Nuss to re-invent themselves.
 

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I think that exact article was being espoused on sports boards for two years. Now the writers have seen enough and are saying it outloud.

Lollygaggers.
 

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Florida and LSU have basically been equals this season. After the 17-16 loss to the Tigers, Florida’s point differential stands at plus-4, the exact same as LSU.

The only difference between the two had been that Florida had won close games against Tennessee and Kentucky while LSU had lost its close game last week versus Troy.

And that’s exactly what we saw Saturday afternoon in The Swamp. Two flawed teams fought through all of the mistakes, and Florida just wasn’t able to overcome the last critical mistake on a point-after attempt.

But the blame for this loss shouldn’t fall on kicker Eddy Pineiro or punter Johnny Townsend. No, while theirs was the mistake that accounted for the difference in the score, it was hardly the only mistake made in the game.

Here are the other issues:

Defensive performance
Lots of folks are going to look at the 341 yards given up – and the 216 yards on the ground – and assume the Florida defense played terribly. Those people are wrong.

The defense got gashed early on with jet sweeps by the LSU wide receivers, but that was actually brilliant play-design by LSU offensive coordinator Matt Canada. This included the 30-yard TD run for Russell Gage to put LSU up 7-0.

It became clear that Florida’s strategy was to play a safety deep while walking up the other safety for run support. You can see that from the unbalanced alignment of Nick Washington (8) and Shawn Davis (31). However, that meant that linebacker Donovan Stiner (13) was the only man capable of getting to Gage because the play went away from Washington.

You can see immediately after the snap that Davis starts to backpedal toward the middle of the field and Stiner gets pinned inside by the wide receiver. Washington has to come completely across the field to try to tackle Gage. By then, it’s just too late.

But defensive coordinator Randy Shannon and the defense made a key adjustment after that touchdown drive.

The Gators defense still kept its single high safety alignment going forward. But the change they made was that the safety dropping deep was not determined until after the snap.


In the clip above, you can see safety Chauncey Gardner (23) and Davis (31) gesturing to each other. They are signaling based on the side of the field that the jet sweep will come. In this clip, Davis is on top of Gage the minute the ball is snapped. This eliminated the linebacker from the play. The sweep was now the safety’s responsibility.

This adjustment shut down much of the jet sweep game that LSU was running. It’s not a coincidence that LSU averaged 25 yards per sweep on 3 attempts on the first two drives and 4.3 yards on 7 attempts thereafter. In the postgame presser, McElwain said the Gators didn’t stop the sweeps, but he is incorrect. After that adjustment, the Gators defense most definitely did stop it.

The defense played much better in the second quarter. The Gators got caught in blitzes a couple of times on the LSU field goal drive at the end of the half – once on an Etling run and another on a tight end screen – but again that’s just a case where you have to tip your cap to Canada for having the right play called.

The defense was actually lights out in the second half except for one key mistake. Most Gators fans will argue that the deep ball ruled a catch to LSU receiver D.J. Chark was actually an interception. They may be right. But the ball never should have gotten to the receiver.


When the ball is snapped, both safeties (Gardner and Davis) begin backpedaling immediately. This means the Gators are in 2-deep coverage. The safety’s job is to support the corner deep on half of the field. The linebackers then drop back into the middle of the field for any routes across the middle or come up in run support.

This defense usually fails because if a team is running effectively, the quarterback can complete passes over the linebackers but in front of the safeties. It is designed to protect against big plays on the boundary.

Because LSU is in max protection, there are only two receivers out on routes. That means Gardner has deep responsibility for one with Davis on the other. Cornerback Duke Dawson (7) has underneath coverage responsibility.

Gardner is late getting over, which leaves Dawson to fight with Chark. Gardner played a great game, but this was a mistake that led to an LSU touchdown and a 17-3 lead.

But overall, the defense played well. That drive ended in a touchdown with 10:55 left in the third quarter. The Gators defense only gave up 62 yards from that point on, which is why the offense had a chance to come back.

Would I like to see a shutout? Of course. But based on the limitations of the personnel on defense, those are going to be rare this season. Instead, the Florida defense is going to have to adjust based on the strengths and weaknesses of the opposition. That isn’t what we’re used to in Gainesville, but it is where this defense is at.

Offensive performance
I had a hard time putting my finger on exactly what was going wrong with the Florida offense live during the first half. But all of the drives seemed to stall out at fourth-and-1. It wasn’t that the Gators weren’t moving the ball or getting decent push. It was that they just couldn’t seem to sustain much of anything.

So I went back and charted the offensive drives for the entire game. That’s where the key to Florida’s offensive success and ineptitude became clear.

2017-10-08-Touches-vs-scoring_glv3ju.jpg

Correlation between touches for Malik Davis, Lamical Perine and Kadarius Toney and scoring points for Florida. (Will Miles/SEC Country)
With Tyrie Cleveland out, it’s no secret that Kadarius Toney, Malik Davis and Lamical Perine are Florida’s best offensive weapons. They accounted for 79 percent of the Gators’ yards in this game and when they got the ball consistently, the Gators scored.

In the non-scoring drives (7), the Gators ran 28 plays and got the ball to Toney, Davis or Perine 54 percent of the time. On its scoring drives (3), the Gators ran 27 plays and got the ball to those three 70 percent of the time.

And it isn’t a coincidence that the Gators scored 13 of their 16 points in the second half. In the first half, those three touched the ball 54 percent of the time compared to 69 percent of the time in the second half. And if you look at the last three drives in the fourth quarter, those players were back to touching the ball on 54 percent of the plays.

Calling plays is difficult. It requires understanding what the defense is trying to do and then calling plays to exploit those tendencies. Sometimes you get caught in a bad play or guess wrong. But it sure does seem like trying to run plays where those three aren’t the primary target is counterproductive at this point.

For example, Florida opened the game with a 15-yard screen to Perine on a wonderful misdirection.


The misdirection worked so well because the offense typically rolls out right and throws to one of two receivers coming across the formation. They ran the that typical play a couple of times later – twice for first downs – but never came back to the misdirection.

Toney had zero catches – and even worse – zero targets. The Gators only ran the Toney/Davis combo in the wildcat once or twice. On the third- and fourth-down play-calls on the last drive, Brandon Powell was the target, not one of the three who had carried the load. The Gators actually ran the exact same play twice in a row. Same formation. Same route tree. On the first, Davis was in to pass protect. On the second, Davis, Perine and Toney were all on the sideline.

Coaching performance
Obviously, the play-calling is part of the coaching performance. But I want to focus on two other situations to analyze the coaching.

The first was the end of the first half. Florida quarterback Feleipe Franks dropped back with 25 second left and was promptly sacked. But Florida had a timeout. And perhaps more importantly, LSU did not.

The Gators would have had two timeouts had McElwain not been indecisive on fourth down on the opening drive. That is a mistake because those decisions should have been made during game-planning, not during the game.

Regardless, the Gators could have called timeout with 19 seconds left after the sack and tried to hit a quick out-route or two to get into Pineiro’s field goal range. They probably even had time to throw something over the middle if LSU was guarding the boundary. Instead, McElwain let the clock run out and the Gators went into the half trailing 10-3.

You might be able to excuse that as not wanting to risk a turnover. I hate that rationale, but I do understand it. But there’s no excuse for what happened after the Gators turned the ball over on downs in the fourth quarter.

There was just 1:33 left and, for some reason, LSU decided to run the ball instead of just dancing around a little bit after the snap and taking a knee. McElwain has to instruct his defense to let LSU score here.

If LSU scores, you’re down 24-16 with 1:15 left and no timeouts. With the strategy McElwain chose, the best case scenario was LSU would punt out of the end zone on fourth down as time expired.

The end of the first half was bad. This was just inexcusable. And it’s not as if McElwain hasn’t thought about this type of situation recently. He’s the guy who criticized Malik Davis for scoring against Vanderbilt last week instead of taking a knee. He’s seen his own team screw this up and give the other team a shot they otherwise shouldn’t have.

The rest of the article is below

https://www.seccountry.com/florida/...responsible-florida-gators-17-16-loss-lsu/amp
Excellent post! Finally, someone saw the defense the same way I did.
 

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I think Will Miles of SEC Country is our very own 2222. Same style.
Maybe he's too busy to come here:scratchchin:
 

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I think Will Miles of SEC Country is our very own 2222. Same style.
Maybe he's too busy to come here:scratchchin:
No, for the simple fact that 2222 is not only a master pumper but a bit of a snake oil salesman.

2222 literally turns a loss into a win.

I would just shake my head to his enchantments like, "yeah... mac is a genius. Thats right, just one throw would have made all the difference."

I believe 2222 is either Mac himself or Nuss. No one else could truly believe the stuff 2222 was saying if he wasn't one of those bozos.

No rational person could suspend disbelief that much unless they were cashing checks from the UAA.

But darn if I don't love 2222 though!
 

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No, for the simple fact that 2222 is not only a master pumper but a bit of a snake oil salesman.

2222 literally turns a loss into a win.

I would just shake my head to his enchantments like, "yeah... mac is a genius. Thats right, just one throw would have made all the difference."

I believe 2222 is either Mac himself or Nuss. No one else could truly believe the stuff 2222 was saying if he wasn't one of those bozos.

No rational person could suspend disbelief that much unless they were cashing checks from the UAA.

But darn if I don't love 2222 though!

You think Mac could write like that? Ever hear one of his press conferences? 2222 swore up and down that he wasn't on the UAA payroll, so I'm trying a different line of sleuthing.:grin:
 

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I think Will Miles of SEC Country is our very own 2222. Same style.
Maybe he's too busy to come here:scratchchin:
No. He is too anti Butters. He is measured in it, but he has always been very critical.

Jie Vizzi maybe. He and 2222 were in lockstep. He seems to have given up now too.
 

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After Grier left, this staff stubbornly refused to change, to try anything new. Go back and read this board. Many of us were screaming about how this staff kept running the plays, the same offense and getting the same putrid result. They are still running it. I would not hold my breath waiting for Mac/Nuss to re-invent themselves.

Yep, this coaching staff has one playbook and it doesn't matter who the QB is or what his skill set is. Everyone blamed Treon, and he wasn't ideal by any means. But he was very limited in what he could do, "and yet" this staff forced him to run an offense not suited to him. How about rolling the pocket? How about play action? How about more shot-gun? How about adding a blocking full-back or an OL lined up as an extra TE?

The stubbornness of this staff is worse that what we saw from Muschamp's offenses.

The fact we are nearly dead last in number of offensive plays per game is very, very telling. Seriously, WTF are they doing in practice? It is completely inept.

This week, when Texas A&M jumps out to a big lead we will be forced to go to more of a hurry up. Outside of the total collapse at UCLA in game 1, their D is pretty solid. I can't imagine - hurry up offense or not - that our putrid O will manage more than 17-20 points. This game will easily get out of control....on our home field....and the look on Butter's face will tell it all. He's in over his head.
 

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I feel another blowout coming. I really dont care to spend 4 hours of my Saturday night watching this shyt show. Maybe I will clean my swimming pool and wax my garbage cans.
 

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I feel another blowout coming. I really dont care to spend 4 hours of my Saturday night watching this shyt show. Maybe I will clean my swimming pool and wax my garbage cans.

Yeah. I'm not watching it this weekend. I have things going on but I was going to DVR it. Not even doing that now.
 

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