Bits & Pieces: Florida vs. Louisiana State

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C2 is an intelligent fan and an astute observer. His takes are uniformly rational and well considered, but his perspective is consistently positive and Gator-centric as well. The good-natured wit he brings to his observations is also a blessed relief from the cynicism and self-aggrandizing snarkiness that seem to be the stock and trade of some on this board. No, all is not perfect, but anyone who can't, or won't, acknowledge the remarkable turnaround that is so obviously taking place in Gatorland is either being purposely obtuse or is serving some personal agenda that I personally don't give two shyts about. Keep up the good work C2 - you da man!
 

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Fought harder than I have seen them fight in a while. Scarlet ran tougher than he ever has and kept the ball wrapped up. He was typically hit at the line and fought forward.

Franks is either lights out or lights off...but he is a tough Gator, no doubt.

C2 spot on everything on D. Would add the number of times Chauncey was positioning other db. Great communication. The young backs still scare me with soft coverages. Reese cleaning up the middle is great as our DT need the backup as they continue to progress. Starting to see a good combo of sideline speed vs run stoppers in the LB. still don’t want them in coverage.

What a punter! Nuff said.

LSU has always had physical DB and they gave our reseivers fits. Most of our play calling was pretty damn good, I think the ones that we scratched our heads on, that Mulken would say my bad. Definitely have to play to Franks strengths and some of the first down throws (routes he struggled with) put us in a hole.

Still have weapons we need to better utilize on offense as DM adjusts his scheme.

One of the best Gator wins in a long time, straight out bare knuckle from the first play and a lot of yelling in my house last night.

Go Gators
 

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Also, not sure why Grantham played prevent on their last drive. I feel like 1 more rusher would have made a big difference and ended their drive much earlier.

Absolutely. Burrow showed he couldn’t handle pressure. He is a stay in the pocket and wait for his receiver to get open QB. That last drive might have been different if their receiver didn’t drop the long pass that hit his hands at the sideline. We got lucky.
 

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Great stuff C2, as always. Great win for the good guys, and I truly want to get on the Cousin Eddie bandwagon, but he just does things in game that truly make me scratch my head knowing that not even a Pop Warner coach would make those calls. Don;t get me wrong, Cousin Eddie called some beautiful plays yesterday. Yes I am saying it, he called some great plays. Scarlet made some of the best 3, 5 and 7 yard runs in a long time. It is not his or coaches fault that our line is still below average. To most the win is all that matters, but when you are in a tough game, why would you want to put your guys in a potentially bad spot, b/c those types of games come down to less than 5 plays. Like when Ogre chose to kick their first FG on 4th and inches. I am so glad he did not go for it, and that could have been a MO changer. Just like the 2nd offensive play of the 3rd Qu swung the MO to LSU for about 20 game minutes, simply b/c of the call, not necessarily the result (INT). They throw essentially a 50-50 ball to open the 3rd Qu. Great throw, great catch, but not an overly risky throw and even if the CB makes a great play so be it. But the next play call was atrocious. B/C you have to begin with the framework that Franks is a mental midget. Not bagging on Franks as many mental midgets have been good college QB's, but in that case you CAN'T put a guy like that in that type of decision making process, when the game does not dictate that. If you watched every other pass play call and where the ball was meant to go, they were all fairly safe, easy throws and reads. Perfect for Franks. But this particular play was meant to throw down the middle where you were in a part of the field where the middle could not be cleared out. There were other options on the play, but there was not even a check down and Franks makes up his mid before he leaves the huddle. The game was not on the line and there will be times you are going tho have to ask Franks to read and make a decision. But that was NOT the time nor the place. I know Cousin Eddie did not throw the ball, I know Cousin Eddie was not playing O-line there, but you have to know your player's weaknesses and limits. That INT was purely on the play call. Just like calling a QB power run on 3rd and 1. Terrible call, whether you make the 1st down or not. Franks is a willing runner on a scramble (yes he makes the 1st if he had dove forward on 2nd down, but again he is unaware of anything) . LSU took away the WR screens, so why not run the secondary off and send an RB out of the backfiled and isolate on a LB? Not once all day? Again I want to get on the Cousin Eddie bandwagon, but I always thought he was below average at game management and IMO he continues to make mistakes that are not necessary.

Yes I know we all wanted Stewart to fall down or run out of bounds or get tackled. but I can't blame the kid. Not many guys smart enough to fall down and end the game, but unfortunately that kept LSU alive. And I have no problem with the defense being in prevent on the last drive and giving up a long 4th down conversion. The problem I saw was too many guys flat footed and did not have their head on a swivel seeing if anyone was coming into their area. Again mostly positives from yesterday, but their are still times that certain calls are made at the most inopportune times, regardless of the play result.

I don’t disagree with you often, but facepalm this entire post.

In very short form:
- none of us has any idea how the Franks int play was called or executed, where the breakdown may have been, etc. a receiver may have turned the wrong way. Who knows.
- Franks on third and one is not a bad playcall.
-The prevent could have cost us the game. The kid was hitting the seam between our LBs and safeties beautifully. Giving up fourth and 19 is not okay. That next dropped pass saved our azzes.
 
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Great stuff C2, as always. Great win for the good guys, and I truly want to get on the Cousin Eddie bandwagon, but he just does things in game that truly make me scratch my head knowing that not even a Pop Warner coach would make those calls. Don;t get me wrong, Cousin Eddie called some beautiful plays yesterday. Yes I am saying it, he called some great plays. Scarlet made some of the best 3, 5 and 7 yard runs in a long time. It is not his or coaches fault that our line is still below average. To most the win is all that matters, but when you are in a tough game, why would you want to put your guys in a potentially bad spot, b/c those types of games come down to less than 5 plays. Like when Ogre chose to kick their first FG on 4th and inches. I am so glad he did not go for it, and that could have been a MO changer. Just like the 2nd offensive play of the 3rd Qu swung the MO to LSU for about 20 game minutes, simply b/c of the call, not necessarily the result (INT). They throw essentially a 50-50 ball to open the 3rd Qu. Great throw, great catch, but not an overly risky throw and even if the CB makes a great play so be it. But the next play call was atrocious. B/C you have to begin with the framework that Franks is a mental midget. Not bagging on Franks as many mental midgets have been good college QB's, but in that case you CAN'T put a guy like that in that type of decision making process, when the game does not dictate that. If you watched every other pass play call and where the ball was meant to go, they were all fairly safe, easy throws and reads. Perfect for Franks. But this particular play was meant to throw down the middle where you were in a part of the field where the middle could not be cleared out. There were other options on the play, but there was not even a check down and Franks makes up his mid before he leaves the huddle. The game was not on the line and there will be times you are going tho have to ask Franks to read and make a decision. But that was NOT the time nor the place. I know Cousin Eddie did not throw the ball, I know Cousin Eddie was not playing O-line there, but you have to know your player's weaknesses and limits. That INT was purely on the play call. Just like calling a QB power run on 3rd and 1. Terrible call, whether you make the 1st down or not. Franks is a willing runner on a scramble (yes he makes the 1st if he had dove forward on 2nd down, but again he is unaware of anything) . LSU took away the WR screens, so why not run the secondary off and send an RB out of the backfiled and isolate on a LB? Not once all day? Again I want to get on the Cousin Eddie bandwagon, but I always thought he was below average at game management and IMO he continues to make mistakes that are not necessary.

Yes I know we all wanted Stewart to fall down or run out of bounds or get tackled. but I can't blame the kid. Not many guys smart enough to fall down and end the game, but unfortunately that kept LSU alive. And I have no problem with the defense being in prevent on the last drive and giving up a long 4th down conversion. The problem I saw was too many guys flat footed and did not have their head on a swivel seeing if anyone was coming into their area. Again mostly positives from yesterday, but their are still times that certain calls are made at the most inopportune times, regardless of the play result.
I disagree with your assessment on the int. Frank's was hot as he released the ball causing the pass to sail high. The receiver was open underneath for the td. If Frank's had even an extra hundredth of a sec, the play would have been a td.
 

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Great write up as always. I don’t disagree that the best appears to be yet to come but what areas of concern do you see developing that only recruiting can fix?

Depth. Our incredible lack of injuries (thanks Savage) other than Marco has it exposed Butters lack of depth in key areas.
 

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Right on the money. Incidentally, I too find the insulting nicknames and goofy misspellings of Coach Mullen's name increasingly tiresome.

I totally agree! What exactly does it take to earn some respect after taking a 4-7 team that was soft, broken with a losing culture and transforming them into the team we saw yesterday in less than a year? There are people on this board who apparently want us to suck so they have something to whine and complain about. For those in that camp, might I suggest a certain team a little farther north in the state? They seem to be tracking in a direction that looks to be more to your preferences.
 

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Great write up (as always), Cover! Your write-ups are one of the premier highlights of my post game Sundays especially after a big win which is actually a thing again! Thank you for all the time you put in especially when trying to balance Dad duties at the same time. (I can totally relate, btw, since I had to miss the first half due to Dad day at my daughter's college sorority. Fortunately we were able to watch half 2 at her house so I had a very happy drive home regardless of the rain and late hour. )
 

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Even ox was off the chain about the delay........this from 8:08 this morning in the chat.
oxrageous: I wonder if cover2 is drunk in a gutter somewhere
I didnt tell him mature individuals like ourselves are smart enough to stay home out of gutters when an extra drink or two are on the menu.
:) If only I didn't have the school duties. My six of Blue Moon is still in the fridge!
Great write up as always. I don’t disagree that the best appears to be yet to come but what areas of concern do you see developing that only recruiting can fix?
Thanks Seabee. I think the LBs are a primary focus. Love what Reese is doing and Joseph is becoming, but got to have more quality bodies that might play early and be game changers. #40 for LSU is the kind of monster we need a few of. Next is OL in my opinion and there needs to be a threshold of quality and quantity consistently met. DL probably after that. Maintain the other positions.

@bayou gator ...can't like your post enough!
 

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@cover2 - I think the reason Toney did not throw the ball was because the linemen were already down field because it was supposed to be a run play. At least that was brought up on the chat box by one of our members.

Also – I think V.Joseph Lead the team in tackles. And I believe he had 2 sacks. Phenomenal game by him.

Chauncey was spectacular. He was constantly shifting the defensive backfield into proper alignments based on the offensive alignments. Couple of his big run stops were directly attributed to that. He actually moved over the linebackers to snuff out the short pass and he cleaned up in the backfield.
 

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@cover2 - I think the reason Toney did not throw the ball was because the linemen were already down field because it was supposed to be a run play. At least that was brought up on the chat box by one of our members.

Also – I think V.Joseph Lead the team in tackles. And I believe he had 2 sacks. Phenomenal game by him.

Chauncey was spectacular. He was constantly shifting the defensive backfield into proper alignments based on the offensive alignments. Couple of his big run stops were directly attributed to that. He actually moved over the linebackers to snuff out the short pass and he cleaned up in the backfield.
Spot on about Vosean. Definitely should have been in the POTG mention. Watching him grow has been great to watch. His motor has never been a question so seeing him improve technically and fundamentally speaks we'll of I'm and the coaching he is receiving. He's definitely all in. Spot on with your points about Chauncey, too.
 

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How much these guys have improved just by using the weight room has paid dividends. It's refreshing to see guys improve physically and actually be coached up. Great win yesterday and hopefully this is the sign that there are more to come.
 

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LB Vosean Joseph earned Walter Camp National Defensive Player of the Week honors after making 14 tackles, 3.5 for loss, against LSU.
 

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Right on the money. Incidentally, I too find the insulting nicknames and goofy misspellings of Coach Mullen's name increasingly tiresome.

It’s bizarre, lacks respect and demonstrates zero loyalty to our guys. Whats worse is none of these guys would call him that to his face. Not that they are the least bit afraid of him but because they would not act juvenile in public. Message boards bring out the worst in some.

Call a man by his name. My father taught me to stand up when I shook a mans hand. I can’t imagine what he would have done if I disrespected one by ridiculing his name. Whatever...to each his own.
 

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It’s bizarre, lacks respect and demonstrates zero loyalty to our guys. Whats worse is none of these guys would call him that to his face. Not that they are the least bit afraid of him but because they would not act juvenile in public. Message boards bring out the worst in some.

Call a man by his name. My father taught me to stand up when I shook a mans hand. I can’t imagine what he would have done if I disrespected one by ridiculing his name. Whatever...to each his own.

Totally agree... except for butt sniffers, clowns, voles, tiggers (both kinds) and caines.
 

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Maybe because it was a running play and blockers were downfield, which would result in a penalty if he threw a forward pass.

Not to nitpick because that is a heads up play if so but what is the penalty for that?

5 yards and repeat the down? 10 yards? Loss of down?

Again not blaming him but just for sake of discussion because obviously 1st and 15 is better than 2nd and 14 but Toney probably makes that decision hoping to get back to the line of scrimmage and while under duress
 

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