Lane Kiffin is making headlines again

I'm surprised that a couple of misdemeanors would cause one to fail a background check. I suppose it depends on what they were, but usually felonies are the issue.

It seems to me that misdemeanors are a pretty thin excuse for bouncing the guy.

And shouldn't the NCAA take interest in the job-for-recruit inducement? I would love to see Kiffen get a "Show Cause" designation.

Theologator said:

I'm surprised that a couple of misdemeanors would cause one to fail a background check.

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Theses were charges related to sodomizing a goat, which are VERY LOW LEVEL misdemeanor charges in Alabama handled by a verbal citation and a $5 fine, after you've been allowed to consummate the relationship. However, that same offense in Florida is a 1st degree felony with a mandatory 15 year hard labor sentence and therein lies a major part of this miscommunication.

Gator2222 said:

Common sense would seem to support you. However, when it comes to legal matters common sense is the first casualty.

I have seen this exact type of case result in an out of court settlement. The issue is in the fact that an official agent of the university extended an official job offer. It doesn't have to be written. Once that contract is given by an official with hiring powers then they are bound to it. The fact that they did not perform a background check before hiring the individual is the fault of the University and the official who extended the job offer.

He will win unless there are extenuating circumstances.

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Perhaps but I say he loses.

Gator2222 said:

The state of Florida has passed very specific laws regarding the presence of anyone on a campus. Even if you are a contractor hired to change the air filters you may have to pass a background check depending on which campus you are on. The background check has different levels. Misdemeanors probably would not prevent you from being a roofer working for a private contractor doing work on campus. The standard goes way up for employees that have direct contact with the students.

The school has no choice in the matter. FDLE does the background checks and determines if they meet the legal standard.

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Thanks for clarifying that for me. My work involves kids & we do background checks. We have some flexibility for judgment - some misdemeanors aren't relevant, some are. But I hear you that a government entity would have less room for discretion.

Gator2222 said:

Common sense would seem to support you. However, when it comes to legal matters common sense is the first casualty.

I have seen this exact type of case result in an out of court settlement. The issue is in the fact that an official agent of the university extended an official job offer. It doesn't have to be written. Once that contract is given by an official with hiring powers then they are bound to it. The fact that they did not perform a background check before hiring the individual is the fault of the University and the official who extended the job offer.

He will win unless there are extenuating circumstances.

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He certainly incurred major expenses (moving, etc.) and has lost wages/future income by resigning his former position.

FAU certainly made a "splash" hire - but it's from a cesspool.

Gator2222 said:

Misdemeanors probably would not prevent you from being a roofer working for a private contractor doing work on campus.

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If misdemeanors kept roofers from working we'd all be getting rained on in our living rooms.

divits said:

If misdemeanors kept roofers from working we'd all be getting rained on in our living rooms.

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Imagine trying to get something welded. There wouldn't be an exhaust shop in the country. I don't even think you can apply if you aren't a felon.

Who cares about who wins? Win or lose, it's just one more way for kiffy to look like an idiot.

CGgater said:

Who cares about who wins? Win or lose, it's just one more way for kiffy to look like an idiot.

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Exactly! The best part is he looked like an idiot the day before this news broke also.

Didn't want to start a new thread; this is funny:

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/a...-alabama-watching-nick-saban-lay-lane-kiffin/


Jonathan Allen: Most fun we had at Alabama was watching Nick Saban lay into Lane Kiffin


Did you enjoy watching Alabama head coach rip into his former offensive coordinator Lane Kiffin? If so, you weren’t the only one. During his Tuesday televised segment on ESPN’s Russillo & Kanell show, former Alabama defensive lineman Jonathan Allen admitted the goal of the defense was to see their head coach tear into the OC.

When asked what he enjoyed more, making a sack or seeing Saban get angry with Kiffin, the answer was easy for Allen.

“Oh easily watching Saban crush Kiffin,” Allen said. “At practice… it was our goal to see how many times we could get Coach Saban to MF Kiffin. I mean that was our goal.”

Allen was then asked if any one particular encounter stood out to him.

“It was just during (drills),” Allen responded. “We would just try to blow it up and just destroy it and kill the offense and then you would know Kiffin’s just…gonna get it, after you just blow it up in the backfield. That’s probably the most fun we had at Alabama during practice this year, just watching Coach Saban lay into Kiffin.”

So how did Kiffin respond to the verbal lashings?

“Kiffin was the only guy I’ve ever seen respond to Coach Saban, but I mean at the end of the day, Coach Saban, it’s his world, so he’s gonna get the last word,” Allen concluded.

In case you missed it last season, the best example of this during an actual game came against Western Kentucky. In the closing moments of the contest, with the result in hand, Saban gave Kiffin an earful on the sidelines despite winning the game by 28 points.

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It sounds like we can add Alabama defenders to the growing list of those who have disdain for Kiffin.

Pretty funny (or sad?) when players on his own team have a schadenfreuden type attitude toward Kiffin.

This is Gold!!!

Gold Jerry!! Gold!!

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Lane Kiffin: 'I'm not big on humiliating assistant coaches in front of everybody'


Your lasting memory of Lane Kiffin at Alabama might be Nick Saban yelling at him, but he doesn’t plan to do the same thing as a head coach at FAU.

Former Tide defensive lineman Jonathan Allen said Tuesday that it was a goal of the Alabama defenders to get Saban upset about the offense in practice and lay into Lane Kiffin. It wasn’t necessarily about Kiffin for Allen. It was about getting the defense to dominate. Allen said Kiffin was the only coach who would respond to Saban in those situations, but Saban always got the last word.

But Kiffin joined SiriusXM College Sports Nation on Tuesday and was asked if he plans to blow up on his assistants like what would happen to him.

“No, that’s not really how I do it. Greg (McElroy) knows about those,” Kiffin said, laughing. “Those things come up, and everybody has different ways of dealing with them. It’s just not really how I do it. I’m not really big on humiliating assistant coaches in front of everybody. I write down notes. In the staff meeting, I explain what we want to get done.”

Saban would describe those situations as “an ass-chewing.”

Kiffin’s comments come on the heels of him admitting, when asked if he had fun at Alabama, Kiffin said “Yes and no,” citing family difficulties. Coaching under Saban isn’t for everyone, but Kiffin continued to speak positive of Saban when asked which coach he learned from the most about interacting with people.

“That’s kind of a tie with Pete Carroll and Nick Saban, taking stuff from two of the best coaches in the history of football and being both of their offensive coordinators for national championships,” he said. “There are many great things they both do. I’m in a better position to be a head coach because of them, especially those three years and what I learned under Coach Saban.”

As for FAU, Kiffin isn’t taking offensive coordinating duties this time, instead handing it off to Kendal Briles. It’s been a different experience for sure, and he hopes to get consistent winning results this time.

“Practice is boring, actually. I’ve learned that. A lot of standing around,” he said. “You’re not calling plays, running around adjusting everybody. It is different. But I thought it was important to do. Looking back as a head coach, we had great offenses, but I could have run the program better with all the time that’s freed up, being able to deal with defense, special teams, donors, university things, player relations.”

GatorInGeorgia said:

These were charges related to sodomizing a goat, which are VERY LOW LEVEL misdemeanor charges in Alabama handled by a verbal citation and a $5 fine, after you've been allowed to consummate the relationship.

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Sodomy refers to anal or oral penetration of said goat. (Whoa be it to the fella who braves a hummer from a goat, BTW, that seems like some pretty risky behavior). Is there no fine if it happens to be your ordinary, garden variety, run-of-the-mill, mom-and-pop, pedestrian vaginal penetration of the goat?

In all seriousness, this would appear to be a major recruiting violation if proven to be true. (The promise of a hire for delivering a recruit, not the part about making love to a goat arse-wise).

PastyStoole said:

Sodomy refers to anal or oral penetration of said goat. (Whoa be it to the fella who braves a hummer from a goat, BTW, that seems like some pretty risky behavior). Is there no fine if it happens to be your ordinary, garden variety, run-of-the-mill, mom-and-pop, pedestrian vaginal penetration of the goat?

In all seriousness, this would appear to be a major recruiting violation if proven to be true. (The promise of a hire for delivering a recruit, not the part about making love to a goat arse-wise).

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You're correct, standard vaginal sex with farm animals is not prohibited by statute in Alabama.

GatorInGeorgia said:

You're correct, standard vaginal sex with farm animals is not prohibited by statute in Alabama.

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.... so that's why the cops don't ask the goats on the street corners to disperse in the Bama big cities.