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The only examples hes gonna find are a few dumpers sarcastically throwing it at pumpers after our last bowl game because we won and they were repping it as a big deal. A few dumpers called out the irony and hypocrisy, thats all that I ever saw.
Ox is correct, there is ZERO buzz about this season from anybody I talk to, and why should there be? Franks looked ok in the O&B but not like some magical savior, Trask is Trash, and then we hear "Del Rio will be very much in the mix for starter." Exactly what is there to be excited about, popcorn sales? Most I've talked to believe Michigan is going to embarrass us at Jerry World and the wheels will just fall off. Same old same old.
Big T, Ima gonna explain it to you cuz your a nice guy but you just don't have a funny bone.Great! I asked you for specific examples of dumpers using it as a group. Fire away. One dumper using it is not the same, fyi. Show us.
It was designed to be a dig, i.e. to get an over reaction from the dumper crowd. Which it did. The point is that dumpers come up with excuses just like pumpers. Interesting that apparently the only objection is to the bowl game excuse. Some people don't understand irony, I guess. Did any dumpers use the "bowl games don't count" excuse after Iowa? Meh, I don't know. But that's not point. I could have said:Let's line up the dumpers excuses for next year:
Beat Meatchicken - "they're not even ranked"
Beat Tennesse - "Worst Tennesse team in years"
Beat Georgia - "Kirby is Muschamp 2.0"
Beat LSU - "Ed Orgeron amirite?"
Beat F$U - "Stop clocked etc."
Lose to eventual NC Bama - "I told you Mac/Nuss sucked"
Win Bowl game - "Bowl games don't count"
Big T, Ima gonna explain it to you cuz your a nice guy but you just don't have a funny bone.
So my original post was:
It was designed to be a dig, i.e. to get an over reaction from the dumper crowd. Which it did. The point is that dumpers come up with excuses just like pumpers. Interesting that apparently the only objection is to the bowl game excuse. Some people don't understand irony, I guess. Did any dumpers use the "bowl games don't count" excuse after Iowa? Meh, I don't know. But that's not point. I could have said:
Win Bowl game - "The opponent was a sucky ass Big 10 team".
It's not the excuse, it's that excuses will/would be made.
Good rule of thumb. Almost nothing I say is serious.Seriously, sometimes I can't tell when you are joking or not. Someone else even responded to you. Maybe add more funny so we cro-magnons can understand your amazing wit.
We cro-magnons barely have fire and just invented the wheel. I'll try to remember lolGood rule of thumb. Almost nothing I say is serious.
There were a few extreme pumps who were strategically softening Mac's record by removing losses to bammer and then subtly mentioning "regular season" losses. That one was my favorite.Bowl losses don't count but bowl wins? Oh yeah
Good rule of thumb. Almost nothing I say is serious.
I'll explain it again, more slowly.There were a few extreme pumps who were strategically softening Mac's record by removing losses to bammer and then subtly mentioning "regular season" losses. That one was my favorite.
Spurrier has a great record, lots of SEC championships, an NC and one helluva a lot of offensive records but a terrible record in bowls and against F$U.
I driving it...and I'm taking you blind pumpers over the cliff with me!All you sad sacks. That's okay we'll leave you seat in the back of the Gator Bandwagon.
My eyes are open. I see everything.I driving it...and I'm taking you blind pumpers over the cliff with me!
Nice summary, but it's still hard not to think of Mac as a 4 loss a year coach. Especially since we were blown out in every loss last year.I'll explain it again, more slowly.
Using "losses" does a couple of things:
First: it normalizes comparisons between different eras. A 10 win season was big deal back when we played only 11 regular season games, no SECCG and one bowl game. Spurrier won 10 games in 1991 as did Mac in 2015 but Spurrier did it in only 12 games whereas Mac had 14. Spurrier's 10 wins are a helluva a lot more impressive than Mac's 10 wins.
Second: it eliminates the auto cupcake win that everybody gets (except Chump of course). I acknowledge sometimes it's not a cupcake (Miami for ex).
Third: it eliminates the variable of making the SECCG. You can't lose it if you don't go to it. I'll leave it up to you to decide if it's better to go and lose or not go at all.
Fourth: it eliminates coaches/teams philosophies in bowl games. Again using Spurrier as an example he was 6-5 in bowl games. Now are you really going to use that as an argument that Spurrier was a bad coach?
Fifth: We generally play the same level of talent in the regular season. SECCG and Bowl games skew the comparison.
So let's look at average regular season losses between the coaches:
SOS: 1.6/yr
Meyer: 2.1/yr
Zook: 4/yr
Chump: 5/yr
Sounds about right doesn't it? Big difference between SOS/Meyer and Zook/Chump isn't there?
But let's look at season wins for comparison:
Meyer: 10.8/yr
SOS: 10.2/yr
Zook: 7.6/yr
Chump: 7.25/yr
So that looks about right again EXCEPT Spurrier played one less game a year. Spurrier's 10.2 is more impressive than Meyer's 10.8. So as a quick and dirty comparison regular season losses is a pretty good measure.
So where does Mac stand in that comparison. Well personally I think two seasons is a little short to compare but he's
Reg season losses 2.5/yr
Whole season wins 9.5/yr
Now here is probably the hard part for you. It's only one statistic. A quick and dirty one. Statistics are meaningless without context.
Bowl game records, records against rivals, record against ranked teams, etc. would complete the picture.
Here's another thing that's probably hard for you. It's possible for there to be contradictory stats. Everything is not binary. Spurrier has a great record, lots of SEC championships, an NC and one helluva a lot of offensive records but a terrible record in bowls and against F$U. But it's comical to watch the dumpers go ballistic when a stat favors Mac - which is why I do it.