Bits & Pieces: Florida vs. Tennessee

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Was it just me or did it seem like Mac was somewhat disappointed at the end of the game? When I saw his demeanor I had a feeling that Mac never intended to go for the win. I watched 15 sec of his press conference and he still acted like he had a death in the family. What is his deal?
I'm beginning to wonder if Mac knows something about the suspensions that makes the whole season moot. Or maybe better makes him moot.
 

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I'm beginning to wonder if Mac knows something about the suspensions that makes the whole season moot. Or maybe better makes him moot.

Not sure but it was bizarre. We won as time expired on a 66 yd pass(that he did not call) and he was acting like we had just lost. You do have to wonder what's going on.
 

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Not sure but it was bizarre. We won as time expired on a 66 yd pass(that he did not call) and he was acting like we had just lost. You do have to wonder what's going on.

Managing expectations, that play was a lot luck, some identifying a defensive mistake, and a lot of arm strength that some other QBs don't have. And I bet as I was thinking this team is not going to do well in OT. Great that we avoided it, but bad clock management might have been on his mind as well. If we lost it would be blamed squarely on him, not a pleasant thought.
 

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Someone joked(?) in another thread that Mac's demeanor could be from a recent prescription to Ambien. That may be very true. He sure looks medicated, and has every reason to seek medication.
 

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I figured it was the pressure of the job getting to him with not meeting the fan base's expectations so far. Maybe there a personal matter going on like a family illness or something (hope not). Definitely not the tone you may expect from a guy that just won a ballgame in miraculous fashion. Maybe it's just finally dawned on him that he's gonna have to cut ties with his buddy Nuss.

I think he gets caught up in the moment realizing he's a guy that used to see the road through the floorboard of his truck etc. mingled with his "Aw shucks" shtick.

Saban always looks morose after a win, even a NC, and talks about the next challenge.
 

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In the first half I was somewhat happy that we were avoiding 3 and outs and keeping our defense off the field. I felt we were snake bite after the Davis fumble and Toney's touchdown drop. To have the defense hold and then come back and win it was beyond belief. I really thought that we were going to see if Eddy can hit in a game from 65+.

The worst coaching mistakes were declining the penalty in the first half and the clock management at the end of both halves. The play calling was actually Ok in the second half. This game was something we can build on.
 

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I get out of bed on Sundays just to read Cover2s takes on the game. Just a couple thoughts:
:embarrassed: You are too kind, but I'm glad to be able to contribute something semi-worthwhile.

The "bend don't break" defense is characteristic of how Shannon coaches, according to several University of Miami friends I have. (I know, I should choose them more carefully, but they live all around me!) It's a real contrast to Muschamp's single coverage, blitz package style. It isn't as exciting either. And when your offense as coma-inducing as ours is, it make for some really, really dull football.
Shannon's scheme would work better if we had a dominant defensive front with some guys like Ed Chester, Reggie McGrew, Darren Mikel, etc. at tackle. I kind of feel like our end play is getting better with Sherit, Polite, et al. LBs are promising but still green. We don't get a lot rushing just four. Often times a reluctance to blitz is founded on a lack of trust in your secondary, which is probably warranted (excluding Duke), but this group should eventually be good. I think he could take more chances, just got to make sure of the appropriate time and that the back end is secure with what they are responsible for. I also think we play more zone coverage than we should, but I think Shannon is doing this to guard against a fatal mistake. Bad thing is, we look confused back there when we are in zone. Eat the meal in small bites; don't choke!

Both those coaches were playing to not lose. Never seen such conservative playing on both sides of the ball. That is, until to Heave to Cleve......
Scared money won't win.

Announcers were discussing that during the Michigan game, how Shannon prefers a straight-up rush rather than blitzes. That's all well and fine when you have the right personnel up front, but we haven't been getting enough pressure on the QB, which puts extra pressure on the DBs.
No question. You are on the money.

C2, thnx for your insight.

One bright spot was the frequent rotation on the defensive line giving backups and youngsters valuable big game experience. Frosh Tedarrell Slayton is a big ol' boy whose bull rush on third and goal caused Vols QB to misfire. Frosh Kyree Campbell was credited with half a sack. Experience can only help.
I agree. As young as we are, every snap helps build experience. Also will build depth, which I'm sure we'll need a few games down the line.

As slow as J Taylor is at right tackle, he moved his butt well on a flanker screen and abused the Vol defender he was responsible for springing Gator receiver for positive yards.
Just need to be able to execute consistently. As another poster stated, we are very unathletic on the OL. But consistent play is hammered at practice ad infinitem, or should be, so that it becomes second nature. We aren't where we need to be yet.

We badly need depth at linebacker. Many mistakes made are correctible with good coaching. Are you open to taking a position on Mac's staff?:chomp:
Definitely need depth and I know we had a couple of injuries that had us relying on walk-ons. This position as been under-recruited for some time now. Got to get that fixed. Funny you mention coaching...always thought that I would get back on the field my last few working years. Don't know that I'm college material however :). I could probably be a helluva get back coach! If there are chicken wings, I'd take a spot in the booth watching for tendencies and specifics of position groups...if there are chicken wings!
I don't tell all of you who are gracious enough to read my observations how much I appreciate it. I loved coaching football when I did it at the high and middle school levels and I enjoyed being a strength and conditioning coach (that's why it hurts me so to see us as weak as we seem to be overall). Getting to break down pieces of our games and discuss with you all allows me to live vicariously, I guess. I enjoy the questions, disagreements (but you better have your sh!t together ;)), and the football talk in general. I like to mess with Ox, but I appreciate him allowing me to do this. Staying connected to the game and fellow fans who want us to be good is fulfilling.
 
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In the first half I was somewhat happy that we were avoiding 3 and outs and keeping our defense off the field. I felt we were snake bite after the Davis fumble and Toney's touchdown drop. To have the defense hold and then come back and win it was beyond belief. I really thought that we were going to see if Eddy can hit in a game from 65+.

The worst coaching mistakes were declining the penalty in the first half and the clock management at the end of both halves. The play calling was actually Ok in the second half. This game was something we can build on.
Uncle Rob! Haven't seen you in a while. Welcome back.

To your point on the clock management, doing it poorly will not only get your @ss in a crack, but also allow most everyone watching to question your football game management acumen (and other aspects of your IQ as well). Sorry to say, but we looked like we never even work on this part of the game. Frightful to watch.
 

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So what do you call a 50/50 ball that is thrown into double or triple coverage
 

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After having a little time to do some reading and watching and thinking about the game Saturday, I think it's fair to repeat that it was a good win for us and you've got to think that it'll provide a little juice for the players. It was, by no means, a perfect game and there are a ton for the coaches and players to work on.

I had an interesting conversation this morning at work with a colleague who is one of the football coaches and was a college player. One of his comments was that the final play was spectacular, but after having watched the entirety of the game, our offense looked more suited for high school than college! One point he emphasized was the pass play that had two players running posts where they wound up side by side. Obviously, one should have been skinny and the other flat, but it is this kind of thing that is so maddening to watch! Can't keep writing this kind of stuff off to simply mistakes being made. Precision has to be the name of the game. If this kind of thing keeps happening over and over, it not only limits progress on the field, but it reinforces to those noticing that there is a disconnect between what the coach(es) are teaching and expecting and what the players are producing. Youth and inexperience can't be an eternal mitigating factor.

I finally watched the post-game presser. Sorta worried about Mac's change in demeanor. I've been critical of him and my confidence has certainly waned, but as a HBC with a big $ job in a great conference, I just expect a guy that has a group not performing and coming under criticism from fans and the media to not look like, as '78 said (in not so many words in another thread) he was getting ready to take Clarabelle (or Nuss) to the vet to be put down. First and foremost, I would have thought there should have been some outward signs of elation with the victory, despite the specter of time management and other mistakes that may have been in the sub-conscious. Also, when answering the questions from the press, be firm, confident, and honest. He ought to know what's going to be asked by now.

We say as much with our expressions and body language as we do with our words. Quite frankly, Mac looked like a kid from an enabling family who just got his first bad grade and doesn't quite know how to handle that critical aspect. At this level of football and where we are in terms of fan expectations and the whole social media thing, this can't be a shock. The ego can't be so fragile. Nobody likes to have criticism heaped on them, but if it is deserved, own it, but more importantly, do something about it that will change the public view. So far, this doesn't appear to be happening, but perhaps we get to see something better in this area as we move forward into the schedule.

As for the players, they look rough in a lot of areas that we have discussed. But make no mistake, they are our players and we want them to progress and improve faster than we are seeing. There is a lot of potential that has to be better cultivated. We can't just keep waiting on next year for it to happen.

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The good

Davis got some more touches. That was a hell of a play by Martin on the strip. Worst possible scenario there after the big run. Otherwise the game is on ice with a 3 score lead.

Duke played well after a poor showing against the vols last season. He made up for an easy dropped pick a couple plays later. We were obviously fortunate they got a goose egg on that trip.

We appear to have some solid receivers with Hammond and Cleveland.

Thompson is running hard and slipping tackles.

Jordan Sherit and Polite form a fantastic end duo off the bench.

The bad

Thompson pass protection

Way too many missed tackles.

Chauncey. Getting trucked happens even to the best of them. Far too many missed tackles for a safety, and a foolish personal foul at the one yard line. He should've gotten an earfull from Bell and Mac coming to the sideline.

Zuniga lining up offsides . Rumph gave him an earful for that.

As you can see we make way too many mental mistakes. The drive that started the game we stopped ourselves with multiple false starts.
It's early in the season , but that can't happen.

Fumblitis from multiple backs, and surprisingly neither of them named Thompson. Davis will learn from that one.

We left plenty of points out there, but not as many as our opponent.

Where is Clayton? I haven't seen 91 in at all this season.
 

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Zuniga lining up offsides . Rumph gave him an earful for that.

He did the exact same thing on the play right before that. I told my mom, if he keeps lining up like that, the refs are going to flag him. Sure enough, the very next play he lined up over the ball again, and the flag hit the ground.
 

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There's no doubt about it! I meant to post something on Polite yesterday. This kid shows up ready to do some damage. He has a lot of heart and grit, and doesn't mind leaving it all on the field. I love watching a young defensive lineman grow up right before our eyes. I think he's gonna turn out to be a very special player before he leaves school.
 

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So what do you call a 50/50 ball that is thrown into double or triple coverage
I call it a 50/50 ball. SOS had our guys throwing fades into double coverage all day long. If its an outside shoulder throw and you arent throw behind the receiver it is often called a touchdown no matter if its triple coverage.

If they start playimg outside leverage then hit the ins slants and posts. If they high low you then run 9s. If they slide a safety over for the 9 for triple coverage then go the other. Or hit the TE on a seam behimd the backers and in front of the safeties. DO YOU GUYS KNOW THAT SOS OFFENSE HAD THESE READS BY BOTH QB AND WR BUILT INTO THE PLAY?

There is no such thing as an impenetrable defense and frankly ever damn pass defense in the SEC is as soft as a down comforter anyway if you.can jist withstand the rush. Just waiting for someone to try something other than Sabanball.

TURN OFF THE FVKKING SCAREDY CAT SABAN BALL BULLSHYT.
 
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If they start playimg outside leverage then hit the ins slants and posts. If they high low you then run 9s. If they slide a safety over for the 9 for triple coverage then go the other. Or hit the TE on a seam behimd the backers and in front of the safeties. DO YOU GUYS KNOW THAT SOS OFFENSE HAD THESE READS BY BOTH QB AND WR BUILT INTO THE PLAY?
See, it is only child's play. WTF were you thinking. Throw it and run it where they aint or where they are the weakest.
 

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Which team were you watching?

Um, first half we had the ball on offense 17:45 of the 30 min, only had one 3-out (that was our shortest drive for 1:21). Defense was not out all that much.
 

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