If Dusty Baker can be, then why not Butters?

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This may be an apples to oranges comparison or pro vs. college, but Dusty Baker was fired as manager of the Washington Nationals after 2 seasons. Both seasons saw the Nationals make the playoffs, yet not win a playoff series. So something showed the decision makers that something was not right, so they acted.

Butters is in his 3rd season, and the product looks very similar to, if not worse than the first 2 seasons. Those first 2 seasons each produced a 1st place finish in the SEC East and an appearance in the SECCG, which UF got waxed both times, regardless of score and almost no one thought they had a chance.

There is quite the fury out there and on this board that would like to see Butters canned and/or leave on his own accord. I admit I am #1 on that list that would have axed him after last season, seeing the overall flow of things.

But for discussion only, what is that different between the Nationals situation and our football program? The end of regular season results seem okay, but under the hood, it is clear that either the process is broken or there is no process at all.
 

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He can be, but he won’t be.

Mac will be coach next year. Our best hope is Nuss is gone.
 

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Guys, I've been following the "Mac will never be great " arguments here and even commented on several. Here's my take. Barring something criminal or patently immoral, our Coach will be here for at least two more years. Having said that, the offensive Offensive Coordinator does not have that sort of guarantee. Judging by the 18 recruits and the '19 list of probables, this staff is turning the corner on recruiting. Mac will be held fully accountable when the team is his from top to bottom. Hoping for anything else is just going to give you ulcers.
 

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Guys, I've been following the "Mac will never be great " arguments here and even commented on several. Here's my take. Barring something criminal or patently immoral, our Coach will be here for at least two more years. Having said that, the offensive Offensive Coordinator does not have that sort of guarantee. Judging by the 18 recruits and the '19 list of probables, this staff is turning the corner on recruiting. Mac will be held fully accountable when the team is his from top to bottom. Hoping for anything else is just going to give you ulcers.

I understand your point and I don't disagree with the premise, but for the sake of fun let's look at what is here. The starting offense + a few for the most part. Ivey, Heggie, Mccoy, Johnson, Taylor, Lewis, Goolsby, Cleveland, Powell, Massey, Toney, Swain, Hammond, Perine, Davis, Thompson, FF, Del Taco. From my recollection. almost all of them belong directly to Butters.

Zuniga, CeCe, Bryan, Clark, Reese, Johnson, Joseph,, frosh CB's and frosh safties, Chauncey, Washington, injured Harris. Outside of Bryan, harris and Washington, those are mostly Butter's guys.

3 years and most of your hand picked guys is not long enough to be fully accountable for a product on the field on Saturday's that looks like it has never had either a spring practice schedule or a fall practice schedule?
 

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Guys, I've been following the "Mac will never be great " arguments here and even commented on several. Here's my take. Barring something criminal or patently immoral, our Coach will be here for at least two more years. Having said that, the offensive Offensive Coordinator does not have that sort of guarantee. Judging by the 18 recruits and the '19 list of probables, this staff is turning the corner on recruiting. Mac will be held fully accountable when the team is his from top to bottom. Hoping for anything else is just going to give you ulcers.
If that’s true the Swamp will be empty and rightfully so. He’s a very poor head coach. Suggesting he shouldn’t be held fully accountable in his third year is absurd.
 

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Butters shouldn't need to be told to fire his OC or anyone on staff...a good coach should be able to pick out who they want coaching for them. Once you get to the point you have to tell them these things it's already past the time to get rid of the head guy. He already needed to figure out he has to recruit better at this level...think about that...
 

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Guys, I've been following the "Mac will never be great " arguments here and even commented on several. Here's my take. Barring something criminal or patently immoral, our Coach will be here for at least two more years. Having said that, the offensive Offensive Coordinator does not have that sort of guarantee. Judging by the 18 recruits and the '19 list of probables, this staff is turning the corner on recruiting. Mac will be held fully accountable when the team is his from top to bottom. Hoping for anything else is just going to give you ulcers.
Don't agree at all. If he keeps losing he will get fired and no chance he lasts 2 more years. Lose to UAB and he'll get fired on the spot. Not sure why everyone just keeps repeating this mantra "Mac's not going anywhere and is guaranteed next year and probably the one after. That's completely false. Keep losing and watch what happens.

We can't afford to keep him if it further erodes the once mighty Gators. We're very close to the point where keeping him is going to cost way more than dumping him and paying the ransom.
 

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But for discussion only, what is that different between the Nationals situation and our football program? The end of regular season results seem okay, but under the hood, it is clear that either the process is broken or there is no process at all.

There would be more similarities if Mac was fired in December of 2016. The biggest difference now is that Baker was fired after winning the division but not doing as well in the playoffs, and Mac was given a raise for accomplishing for practically the same thing while he technically had a worse season overall than before. Interestingly because Mac was retained, UF probably won't even win half their games this year. Nats may get the right manager and make the NLCS next year.
 

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3 years and most of your hand picked guys is not long enough to be fully accountable for a product on the field on Saturday's that looks like it has never had either a spring practice schedule or a fall practice schedule?

Try this subliminal scenario while watching us vs UGa -- close our eyes, imagine that you hear several Moms-voices calling, the clang of dinner bells. Quickly open your eyes and see if you don't expect our boys to scatter-run off the field for home. = sandlot football ... I picked Butters last.
 

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Guys, I've been following the "Mac will never be great " arguments here and even commented on several. Here's my take. Barring something criminal or patently immoral, our Coach will be here for at least two more years. Having said that, the offensive Offensive Coordinator does not have that sort of guarantee. Judging by the 18 recruits and the '19 list of probables, this staff is turning the corner on recruiting. Mac will be held fully accountable when the team is his from top to bottom. Hoping for anything else is just going to give you ulcers.

Go read the recruiting myth threat...it refutes your notion of "turning the corner"
 

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The reality is unless anything crazy goes on Mac will be here next year. I think there is a very slim chance he loses to UAB. While the team has lost some tough games, they also have the talent to beat a UAB even with bad coaching.
 

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There is one massive difference, one works for a private corporation, the other works for the athletic department. Now I would put a lot of pressure on Mac, not only for his lack of offense and winning, but how he addresses the press, posts stuff, and manages both his staff and the players. He is way short of what I would demand in these areas no less his coaching.
 

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Plenty of college football coaches get fired after 3 years. This argument doesn't hold water.

Who did we hire the last time we fired a coach after year 3? Yeah, the guy that brought us 2 natty's.

This is so stupid. The biggest difference these days in firing coaches is the buyout. When Zook got fired OC's made $150K. Position coaches were lucky to make 6 figures.
 

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Well, the difference between a professional franchise and a state university immediately comes to mind........
 

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