#20 UCF vs. Navy (3:30 p.m., CBSSN)

78 · Oct 22, 2017

divits said:
I get what you mean. Now only the 6th best offense in the country with 2 star players.

It's more than that. It's now the highest-scoring offense in the country at 47.3 ppg.

My fear is how the run option would fare against today's lightning-quick SEC defenses. Meyer made it work, but would Frost be able to and have SEC defenses caught up?

Remember, too, I'm from the Dickey triple-option era. Great front-runners, horrible at coming from behind.

divits · Oct 22, 2017

'78 said:
It's more than that. It's now the highest-scoring offense in the country at 47.3 ppg.

My fear is how the run option would fare against today's lightning-quick SEC defenses. Meyer made it work, but would Frost be able to and have SEC defenses caught up?

Remember, too, I'm from the Dickey triple-option era. Great front-runners, horrible at coming from behind.

I get it but they actually have a good QB who can throw and throw accurately. Get one of those and you keep aggressive defences honest. I'm confident in Frost's recruiting abilities. He knows the type players he wants and goes and gets them. Like the unheralded QB he has now all the way from Hawaii.

Concrete Helmet · Oct 22, 2017

Watched a good bit of this game yesterday and loved it. Both teams appeared to be very physical and those Navy kids don't back down a bit.

78 · Oct 22, 2017

divits said:
I get it but they actually have a good QB who can throw and throw accurately. Get one of those and you keep aggressive defences honest. I'm confident in Frost's recruiting abilities. He knows the type players he wants and goes and gets them. Like the unheralded QB he has now all the way from Hawaii.

Someone's going to throw a lot of cash his way after the season. You know it's coming. Teams in need can't afford to lay low for long. There's too much cash out there and too much willingness to gamble. If we want the guy, we're going to have to be quick and decisive.

And realizing what I just wrote about what we'd have to do, it isn't going to happen.

oxrageous · Oct 22, 2017

'78 said:
Someone's going to throw a lot of cash his way after the season. You know it's coming. Teams in need can't afford to lay low for long. There's too much cash out there and too much willingness to gamble. If we want the guy, we're going to have to be quick and decisive.

And realizing what I just wrote about what we'd have to do, it isn't going to happen.

Yes, he's going to get multiple offers while we sit back and do nothing.

78 · Oct 22, 2017

oxrageous said:
Yes, he's going to get multiple offers while we sit back and do nothing.

Yep. We're effed more by upper management than management itself. Shyt sandwich.

oxrageous · Oct 22, 2017

'78 said:
Yep. We're effed more by upper management than management itself. Shyt sandwich.

I need you to do something about it.

78 · Oct 22, 2017

oxrageous said:
I need you to do something about it.

Good. You get Stricklin to register and I'll compile the list of questions.

Okeechobee Joe · Oct 22, 2017

divits said:
I get it but they actually have a good QB who can throw and throw accurately. Get one of those and you keep aggressive defences honest. I'm confident in Frost's recruiting abilities. He knows the type players he wants and goes and gets them. Like the unheralded QB he has now all the way from Hawaii.

What is it with these quarterbacks from Hawaii?Alabama has a second string QB Tuo Tagovailoa from Hawaii who is a fantastic runner and passer. Last night when Shea Patterson of Ole Miss got hurt in the LSU game and had to sit out a few series they brought in a second string QB from Hawaii who looked really good running and passing. He moved the team better than Patterson did. I thought it weird that both Alabama and Mississippi had Hawaian quarterbacks.

GatorStud · Oct 22, 2017

Mac and Co have short tentacles.

ThreatMatrix · Oct 22, 2017

divits said:
I get it but they actually have a good QB who can throw and throw accurately. Get one of those and you keep aggressive defences honest. I'm confident in Frost's recruiting abilities. He knows the type players he wants and goes and gets them. Like the unheralded QB he has now all the way from Hawaii.

Why are you confident in Frost's recruiting abilities? He's done nothing remarkable on the trail and the team is winning with JR/Sr O'reilly recruits.

FireFoley · Oct 22, 2017

ThreatMatrix said:
Why are you confident in Frost's recruiting abilities? He's done nothing remarkable on the trail and the team is winning with JR/Sr O'reilly recruits.

I think what you just said is much more important initially, then trying to extrapolate his recruiting ability when going from a non P-5 school to a P-5 school. Showing that you can successfully, teach, develop and coach the players that are already there is a sign of adaptability, understanding, and implementing. Once that is apparent and the results follow, then players will take notice. Plenty of coaches have been excellent recruiters and put a poor product on the field b/c they did not possess certain traits that make great coaches after those types of players arrive!!!!

78 · Oct 22, 2017

ThreatMatrix said:
Why are you confident in Frost's recruiting abilities? He's done nothing remarkable on the trail and the team is winning with JR/Sr O'reilly recruits.

Remarkable achievement, too.

FlGator19382 · Oct 22, 2017

ThreatMatrix said:
Why are you confident in Frost's recruiting abilities? He's done nothing remarkable on the trail and the team is winning with JR/Sr O'reilly recruits.

He certainly brings more excitement than Butters PB&J sales pitch. "My offense sucks, but I make a hell of a PB&J!" Says Butters lol!

divits · Oct 22, 2017

ThreatMatrix said:
Why are you confident in Frost's recruiting abilities? He's done nothing remarkable on the trail and the team is winning with JR/Sr O'reilly recruits.

First of all, it's apparent you know little about the program based on the fact you don't even know the name of the guy who coached them for 11 years. It's O'Leary. Secondly, 11 of the 22 starters are Frost recruits. The other 11 were members of the team that went 0-12 the year before Frost came and turned the team around. Ask them if they think he knows how to coach. On special teams the PK, H, LS and KR are his recruits.

Look, you're wrong,. I know you're wrong and you're going to stay wrong about this guy. Meanwhile you have yet to put forth a feasible choice. And if you do I'll be able to shoot a million holes him too.

ThreatMatrix · Oct 22, 2017

divits said:
First of all, it's apparent you know little about the program based on the fact you don't even know the name of the guy who coached them for 11 years. It's O'Leary. Secondly, 11 of the 22 starters are Frost recruits. The other 11 were members of the team that went 0-12 the year before Frost came and turned the team around. Ask them if they think he knows how to coach. On special teams the PK, H, LS and KR are his recruits.

Look, you're wrong,. I know you're wrong and you're going to stay wrong about this guy. Meanwhile you have yet to put forth a feasible choice. And if you do I'll be able to shoot a million holes him too.

Here's the depth chart.
http://www.ourlads.com/ncaa-football-depth-charts/depth-chart/central-florida/92200

7/11offensive starters are JR/SR O'Malley's recruits
9/11 defensive starters are JR/SR O'Rourkes recruits
That's 16/22 starters recruited by the old Irish guy
In addition the 1st team PK, H, LS, KR in fact everybody on special team is a JR i.e. not a Frosty boy.

Suck it.

Swamp Donkey · Oct 22, 2017

'78 said:
Yep. We're effed more by upper management than management itself. Shyt sandwich.

The only slightest bit of sympathy I have for Butters. Without a doubt, he was trying to arrange a better staff. "Big Name" coming at WR coach etc. Then we end up with geographical school trash at all positions except DL and LB. That, I believe, was Fooley pinching pennies.

Do I think it matters? Not really because Butterball and Chimpball are identical, so there is no longterm success possible IMO.

divits · Oct 22, 2017

ThreatMatrix said:
Here's the depth chart.
http://www.ourlads.com/ncaa-football-depth-charts/depth-chart/central-florida/92200

7/11offensive starters are JR/SR O'Malley's recruits
9/11 defensive starters are JR/SR O'Rourkes recruits
That's 16/22 starters recruited by the old Irish guy
In addition the 1st team PK, H, LS, KR in fact everybody on special team is a JR i.e. not a Frosty boy.

Suck it.

I guess I deserved the suck it for being wrong about a few guys on special teams. As for the other positions, I don't care what the depth chart says, Frost's recruits are playing more than a lot of those guys listed ahead of them. Watch a game and you'll see. Killins and Anderson are starting at RB with Anderson also playing WR for example. Grant and Collier are playing more than Gibson and Neal. At least 7 true FR have played as much or more than the "starters" ahead of them. And of course all RS/FR and true SO are Frost recruits.

Whatever dude. I don't GAF if you want Frost or not. But your reasons for not wanting him are silly. And I'm confident you'll be proven wrong when he's somewhere else lighting it up while we sit around with our thumbs up our asses waiting for your "can't miss" guy. :waiting:

BTW, still waiting on your dubious list of can't lose world beaters lining up for the job. And then would love to hear your plan to get them here.

78 · Oct 23, 2017

ThreatMatrix said:
Here's the depth chart.
http://www.ourlads.com/ncaa-football-depth-charts/depth-chart/central-florida/92200

7/11offensive starters are JR/SR O'Malley's recruits
9/11 defensive starters are JR/SR O'Rourkes recruits
That's 16/22 starters recruited by the old Irish guy
In addition the 1st team PK, H, LS, KR in fact everybody on special team is a JR i.e. not a Frosty boy.

Suck it.

You're not going to win this argument, Threat. O'Leary stocked the current roster with upper classmen based on a 2014 class that was rated 68th and the 2015 class at 71st.

Frost's 2018 class is rated 57th and he's clearly got the wind at his back. That's what happens when you turn around a program. Kids want to come play for you.

Buckman2000 · Oct 23, 2017

It doesn’t matter who’s players he’s winning with. He’s the type that will take his guys and beat you with them or he’ll take your guys and beat you with them.

At the end of the day he’s Nebraska bound. Alum coming back to bring back the glory of old. They would welcome option football back to Lincoln.

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