Stricklin: Hiring a football coach more difficult than fans realize

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There are about 3 states that matter in football recruiting, Texas, Florida and some say Cali. Lately, Jawja and Bammer have some prospects too and are close behind, but you can bet the ADs at the 125 D1 schools that ARENT the flagship universities in one of those states don't want to hear our favorite Cowbell beyotching about how hard it is to be an AD at a school with all the advantages (recruits and money if not facilities).
 

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Salaries are getting more ludicrous. Admittedly. please read the post you just quoted genius. But stricklin's job is not any harder comparatively speaking. The guy (arnsparger) that convinced sos to come here, now he had a tough job.

The guy that gave butters an extension, shirked his duties if you ask me. And what simple duties they were.

The guy who didn't immediately go after his#1 choice due to the queasiness in his widdle tumtum cuz it might hurt his old school's feelings .... again shirked his simple duties.

Quit giving me this crap about how hard the AD position at uf is. It's stupid. He's stupid for trying to give that impression. you're stupid for buying it and being a stricklin shill. Shut up and do your job. Stop whining about the AD job here. You left your alma mater to be here. We know it's a great job to have. Quit trying to convince us otherwise.



:facepalm: Jesus.

Spurrier coming to UF was a no brainer and there was little doubt he'd take the job. It had been talked about for months.

I'm not defending anyone, but I am calling to task spittle spewing knuckledraggers who haven't negotiated sh!t in there lives and who think they've got it all figured out. It's been shown time and time again that just throwing money at a guy isn't enough to get him to change jobs. That's pretty much the jist of what Stricklin was saying.
 
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Spurrier coming to UF was a no brainer and there was little doubt he'd take the job. It had been talked about for months.

This shows your knowledge of negotiating transactions. "Everyone was talking about it, must have been easy"
who haven't negotiated sh!t in there lives and who think they've got it all figured out.

There are more pages in the contacts I've drafted @36yrsold than in all the books you'll ever read (which, from the sounds of you, would end up being a pretty short stack anyway). So don't presume to preach about negotiating.

The point is, if you have chosen athletic administration as your career, and you've landed the uf AD job, it's one of the best jobs in your profession. Far from the most difficult. Can you imagine trying to stretch pennies@an naia school to pay coaches that may or may not have any college experience. Or working 80 hours a week as an assistant ad at some dump out west. Quit b1itchin about how hard this guys job is. It's a cakewalk. And you ARE defending the milquetoast.
 

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The point is, if you have chosen athletic administration as your career, and you've landed the uf AD job, it's one of the best jobs in your profession. Far from the most difficult. Can you imagine trying to stretch pennies@an naia school to pay coaches that may or may not have any college experience. Or working 80 hours a week as an assistant ad at some dump out west. Quit b1itchin about how hard this guys job is. It's a cakewalk. And you ARE defending the milquetoast.

Not trying to interject into your and divits pissing contest....but I totally agree w/ you on those points I bolded.

If you go over to swampgas those f*ckers think Foley walks on water and has done a job that no other AD on earth could possibly pull off.

I've point out for years how our AD's job is pretty much auto-pilot (the way Foley ran it: paying top dollar for non-revenue sports coaches, building non-revenue facilities (because they cost nowhere near what football and basketball facilities tend to cost), and living off his past successes). Schools out west, specifically the PAC12 have nearly double the number of sports UF has. Schools in the B10 and ACC have more sports (such as men's soccer, men's lacrosse, field hockey, wrestling, men's volleyball, to name a few). UF has 19 total sports (only 8 of which are men's sports). How hard is that? Each sport has an "Assistant AD for - insert the sport", so they handle all the admin and logistics. The UF AD is literally a fundraiser and glad-hander.

I haven't commented in this thread, except to start the OP. But I think Stricklin made a half-hearted effort to land both Kelly and Frost...and when things didn't go well he panicked and went after his fall-back plan vs going after another coach. I'm not anti-Mullen by any means - hell, we've done the Saban-assistant thing twice now, let's try the Urban-assistant thing now. But I think it was a bit of a lazy/easy hire for him.....and I think he overpaid (Mullen was making $4.5 million at MSU. He would have gladly taken $5mil, imo).
 

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If you go over to swampgas those f*ckers think Foley walks on water and has done a job that no other AD on earth could possibly pull off.
He certainly left our football program in worse shape than any AD above high school level would have.

If you call that "doing a job" on us, I agree.
 

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You can tell that Stricklin is a classy guy and we are in good hands with him as AD. This guy just gets it a UF. Go Gators!
 

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Once again you can just tell who the Haters and Complainers are in a thread like this...
 

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Coaches salaries going from ridiculous speed to ludicrous speed have no bearing on the difficulty of an AD's job.

Salaries have stayed close to proportional vs the average man and vs the cost of goods. Salaries have stayed close to proportional amongst the haves and have nots of cfb.

What is the milquetoast whining about? Do the job you are being overpaid to do (facespacing, mybooking, and twitting all day if you ask'78) and quit b1tchin, damnation.

Talk about a misrepresentation of facts. :lol: I think, emphasis on think, I stated what is fairly obvious, that Stricklin is the first UF athletic director to utilize social media. In your zeal to portray him as weak and ineffectual -- how many references to milquetoast have there been? -- you've taken his position to a fictional level.

Fact: A reporter approached Stricklin with the question: What makes hiring a football coach more difficult than fans realize? He provided a frank and candid answer. Apparently you were expecting him to reply, "Hiring a football coach? Hold my beer."

The facts were laid out, most noticeably that the economics of the game have been altered by television money, which has leveled the playing field when it comes to the hiring market. Your out there reply: Not compared to the "average man" or "cost of goods."

Cost of goods? :lol: Now that's a good one. You had me thinking for a moment I had inadvertently ventured into the overseas manufacturing forum.
 

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I thought you are liking the hire now? Ford Focus? Ouch.

I was thinking "safe" like a Suburu or low end Volvo at best.

safe like a Honda civic, ain't gonna win you any races, but will start every morning.
 

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Geeze...when will some realize that Kelly did not want to come here and Frost never considered it. Money did not matter. Its obvious since Kelly took 2 mil less than what we are paying Mullen. I was a never Mullen guy but after Kelly and Frost decided they wanted nothing to do with us, I was not sure where to turn next. It would have really sucked if we ended up like Tenn. or Sow.
 

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I haven't commented in this thread, except to start the OP. But I think Stricklin made a half-hearted effort to land both Kelly and Frost...and when things didn't go well he panicked and went after his fall-back plan vs going after another coach. I'm not anti-Mullen by any means - hell, we've done the Saban-assistant thing twice now, let's try the Urban-assistant thing now. But I think it was a bit of a lazy/easy hire for him.....and I think he overpaid (Mullen was making $4.5 million at MSU. He would have gladly taken $5mil, imo).

I don't think we really went after Frost because his representation made it clear of his obvious direction. We made a play for Kelly, but came up short. I do agree that Mullen was a panic and reactionary hire. We struck out on Kelly, black Monday was upon us with dominos starting to fall. As I stated in other threads we overpaid for Mullen. That doesn't change the fact that the AD's job at Florida isn't not as easy as it was in the early 00's with the increase in TV money coaches can make the similar money at less pressured jobs. Stricklin still has an incomplete because we don't know the end result of this hire. The problem is Foley did run on auto-pilot still believe the landscape was the same as it was in the 90's and 00's. The money and landscape has changed, we failed to change with it due to the Foley administration.
 

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Geeze...when will some realize that Kelly did not want to come here and Frost never considered it. Money did not matter. Its obvious since Kelly took 2 mil less than what we are paying Mullen. I was a never Mullen guy but after Kelly and Frost decided they wanted nothing to do with us, I was not sure where to turn next. It would have really sucked if we ended up like Tenn. or Sow.

Dan, Kelly was getting at least 6 regardless of where he was going, the 49ers and Eagles still owe him money, so they pay the difference it what he was contract for through them and his salary.
 
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Dan Kelly was getting at least 6 regardless of where he was going, the 49ers and Eagles still owe him money, so they pay the difference it what he was contract for through them and his salary.

Who’s Dan Kelly? Chip’s little brother?
 

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NH to LA is real weird to me. I can see NH to Oregon, even SF I guess but LA?

True - but he knows the conference, recruiting hotbeds, old relationships with HS coaches etc. to renew rather than establish.

I don’t know much about life in LA or how that looks when you make $6m/year. I’m sure he’s found a 3br/1.5ba bungalow in a decent neighborhood by now.
 

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Not trying to interject into your and divits pissing contest....but I totally agree w/ you on those points I bolded.

If you go over to swampgas those f*ckers think Foley walks on water and has done a job that no other AD on earth could possibly pull off.

I've point out for years how our AD's job is pretty much auto-pilot (the way Foley ran it: paying top dollar for non-revenue sports coaches, building non-revenue facilities (because they cost nowhere near what football and basketball facilities tend to cost), and living off his past successes). Schools out west, specifically the PAC12 have nearly double the number of sports UF has. Schools in the B10 and ACC have more sports (such as men's soccer, men's lacrosse, field hockey, wrestling, men's volleyball, to name a few). UF has 19 total sports (only 8 of which are men's sports). How hard is that? Each sport has an "Assistant AD for - insert the sport", so they handle all the admin and logistics. The UF AD is literally a fundraiser and glad-hander.

I haven't commented in this thread, except to start the OP. But I think Stricklin made a half-hearted effort to land both Kelly and Frost...and when things didn't go well he panicked and went after his fall-back plan vs going after another coach. I'm not anti-Mullen by any means - hell, we've done the Saban-assistant thing twice now, let's try the Urban-assistant thing now. But I think it was a bit of a lazy/easy hire for him.....and I think he overpaid (Mullen was making $4.5 million at MSU. He would have gladly taken $5mil, imo).

Sorry, but there are two things that you said or implied that I disagree with:

1. Half-hearted attempt? Stricklin and the president flew to see Kelly and spent hours in conversation / negotiation with Kelly. Frost made it pretty clear that he was going to Nebraska. Neither Kelly nor Frost were coming to UF for reasons of their own that Stricklin had no control over. (Those reasons have been discussed on this board.) Mullen was a backup hire but not some panicked hire because of some half-hearted attempt at Kelly or Frost.

2. How many times are you or someone else going to insinuate that pursuing our non-revenue sports is somehow to blame for the failures of our football program. Our football woes are the primary result of the last two bad coaching hires. You can talk about facilities till you're blue in the face, but our woes were fundamentally due to bad coaching hires.

One thing that I do agree with is that we overpaid Mullen. His salary and every coaches salary should be tied to performance. Five million a year base get a million each for winning the SEC and / or the CFP (or something like that).
 

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True - but he knows the conference, recruiting hotbeds, old relationships with HS coaches etc. to renew rather than establish.

I don’t know much about life in LA or how that looks when you make $6m/year. I’m sure he’s found a 3br/1.5ba bungalow in a decent neighborhood by now.
I don't get it...i've been to LA several times for work and i can't stand the place. Sure the landscape is beautiful in CA but i for one can't stand all the traffic and people (and politics). Last visit there it took me over 3 hours to drive 30 miles to my hotel from LAX. You could pay me enough to move there for a job though...but not if im as in demand as a guy like Kelly...if i could demand and get $6 million a year anywhere I want I wouldn't even answer the phone for anyone near that state.
 

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