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stephenPE · Jan 22, 2018

NVGator said:
Horsesh*t You obviously don't know the rules.

fck that. I know the rules and played more football than you ever thought about playing,. We were taught to put our face in the jersey numbers to tackle
He didnt lead with his head but his shoulder. The head hit was a result of going through on the tackle. I still say he didnt target him with his head. And he scared kronk out of catching it. When they target with the helmet I dont like it but sometimes ithe helmets collide.

Like that stupid elbow rule in basketball. I have seen a few completely innocent and they get pitched out. I guess I would have been a criminal under the "new rules" they have in these sports.........
Look where his shoulder hits the guy. What is he supposed to do with his head? lean it back......football aint football anymore.

Swamp Donkey · Jan 22, 2018

i just posted the rule for you dingleberry and it was exactly the opposite of your argument.

lets try it again:

forcibly hitting the defenselessplayer’s head or neck area with the helmet, facemask, forearm, or shoulder, even if the initial contact is lower than the player’s neck, and regardless of whether the defensive player also uses his arms to tackle the defenselessplayer by encircling or grasping him

TheDouglas78 · Jan 22, 2018

The Church hit was the correct call, it's one of those $hitty rules that put the DB at a disadvantage in a play like this. Part of the reason passing statistics are exploding because it's almost impossible to hit a quarterback or a wide receiver until they are 20 yards down the field.

NVGator · Jan 22, 2018

stephenPE said:
fck that. I know the rules and played more football than you ever thought about playing,. We were taught to put our face in the jersey numbers to tackle
He didnt lead with his head but his shoulder. The head hit was a result of going through on the tackle. I still say he didnt target him with his head. And he scared kronk out of catching it. When they target with the helmet I dont like it but sometimes ithe helmets collide.

Like that stupid elbow rule in basketball. I have seen a few completely innocent and they get pitched out. I guess I would have been a criminal under the "new rules" they have in these sports.........
Look where his shoulder hits the guy. What is he supposed to do with his head? lean it back......football aint football anymore.

Check your sarcasm meter.

Captain Sasquatch · Jan 22, 2018

NVGator said:
Thanks for proving my point.

Here's your rules, that I apparently don't know...

If a player uses any part of his helmet (including the top/crown and forehead/”hairline” parts) or facemask to butt, spear, or ram an opponent violently or unnecessarily. Although such violent or unnecessary use of the helmet and facemask is impermissible against any opponent, game officials will give special attention in administering this rule to protecting those players who are in virtually defenseless postures, including but not limited to:

(1) Forcibly hitting the defenseless player’s head, neck, or face with the helmet or facemask, regardless of whether the defensive player also uses his arms to tackle the defenseless player by encircling or grasping him; or

(2) Lowering the head and violently or unnecessarily making forcible contact with the “hairline” or forehead part of the helmet against any part of the defenseless player’s body;

He didn't lead with his helmet, it was incidental. He led with his shoulder and actually turned his head in an effort to not lead with it.

Here's a screenshot the split second before hitting Gronk and the video below. Doesn't matter though, it won't change your mind. Interesting how you backed off that PI call right after as well, which was ridiculous.

Didn't Marrone himself say he was fine with the call at halftime? Literally EVERYONE except Jags fans who don't know their place think the call was the right one.

Captain Sasquatch · Jan 22, 2018

TheDouglas78 said:
The Church hit was the correct call, it's one of those $hitty rules that put the DB at a disadvantage in a play like this. Part of the reason passing statistics are exploding because it's almost impossible to hit a quarterback or a wide receiver until they are 20 yards down the field.

There was zero reason he couldn't lower his shoulder into Gronk's ribs and still force the incompletion. Zero.

MertzJay26 · Jan 22, 2018

Captain Sasquatch said:
Didn't Marrone himself say he was fine with the call at halftime? Literally EVERYONE except Jags fans who don't know their place think the call was the right one.

I think it was the right call :dunno:

And what’s this “know your place” nonsense :lol:

what a douche

Captain Sasquatch · Jan 22, 2018

Jay26 said:
I think it was the right call

And what’s this “know your place” nonsense what a douche

You guys are still on the same level as the Browns and Lions, just don't forget it. :grin:

MertzJay26 · Jan 22, 2018

Captain Sasquatch said:
You guys are still on the same level as the Browns and Lions, just don't forget it.

Obviously we aren’t. But your Bucs are :D

MertzJay26 · Jan 22, 2018

Why’d they blow the Myles Jack play dead? That’s 6 points. I can’t stop thinking about that :weep:

NVGator · Jan 22, 2018

Jay26 said:
Why’d they blow the Myles Jack play dead? That’s 6 points. I can’t stop thinking about that

Why did they waste 0:55 and 2 TOs heading into the Lockroom?

MertzJay26 · Jan 22, 2018

NVGator said:
Why did they waste 0:55 and 2 TOs heading into the Lockroom?

So many what ifs. I hate replaying it in my head of what could have happened lol

MertzJay26 · Jan 22, 2018

CapitalGator02 said:
Because, in the heat of the moment, the refs thought the ball carrier was down by contact before the ball came loose. What should worry Jags fans is the fact that with the momentum in their favor after the TO, the Jags offense completely shiit the bed and did nothing on offense.

Ruling on the field was a fumble. Let the play go and then review. No advantage or reason to blow it dead.

And yes, the coaching does worry me.

OllieGator · Jan 22, 2018

Jay26 said:
Ruling on the field was a fumble. Let the play go and then review. No advantage or reason to blow it dead.

And yes, the coaching does worry me.

This. They called it a fumble. If they ruled the RB down then I understand the whistle.

Hackchamp? Mushkett?

I kinda like the last one.

Theologator · Jan 22, 2018

Jay26 said:
Why’d they blow the Myles Jack play dead? That’s 6 points. I can’t stop thinking about that

Jack was clearly down by contact.

What bothered me more was the bogus holding call in the play when Bortles threw them out of bad field position. The Jags’ OL pancaked the Patriot DL. Hands were inside. He just caught him right and drove him down. Had that play stood the whole complexion of the game would have changed.

Swamp Donkey · Jan 22, 2018

Jay26 said:
So many what ifs. I hate replaying it in my head of what could have happened lol

Dont stop now.

Gatorraid81 · Jan 22, 2018

GatorJ said:
I thought Bortles was really good this game.

He was until the 4th (crunch time)

MertzJay26 · Jan 22, 2018

Theologator said:
Jack was clearly down by contact.

What bothered me more was the bogus holding call in the play when Bortles threw them out of bad field position. The Jags’ OL pancaked the Patriot DL. Hands were inside. He just caught him right and drove him down. Had that play stood the whole complexion of the game would have changed.

Disagree. Jack didn’t get possession until after he rolled over. Oh well, time to move on....to Florida basketball woooo!!

Gatorraid81 · Jan 22, 2018

GatorJ said:
Everybody pointing to penalties. LOL.

That’s only what people who lose always do. Don’t be one of those people.

I didn’t see anything in the game where there was a monumental change by a non-call. Not like the swindle in the swamp.

If the defense doesn’t have the stupid illegal hit on Gronk. Or the following giant PI call then they probably win the game. Disciplined players don’t make stupid penalties.

The hit on Gronk was correctly penalized, but Church led with his shoulder and after the contact the heads clashed. Tired of hearing how the Jags head-hunted Gronk, how else is somebody in Church's position suppose to come up and hit a big Fu**er like Gronk, he was hitting him like he was going to catch the ball. The following PI penalty was a bad call, ball landed out of bounce with the receiver running out of bounds, while both the receiver and the Jag DB were pushing the whole way.

Gatorraid81 · Jan 22, 2018

SeabeeGator said:
Agreed. All 6 calls on the Jags were legit. I thought the Pats got away with a handful of calls that sure seemed like they would’ve been called on anyone else, especially the missed defensive holding as Lewis was coming across the formation on 3rd down in the fourth quarter. That said, Muschamping is what lost that game. NFL coaches are so smart but they sure do get stupid when they have a lead against a superstar QB.

All penalties on Jags were correctly called except the Bouye PI call, both players were shoving off on the play, the ball was uncatchable and the receiver was running out of bounds. Should have been a no call, even a novice football fan would've seen that. LOL

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