***Official Game Thread BBALL*** Florida vs South Carolina

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I didn’t get to watch, but the stats were nearly dead even except for the 3 point shooting. It happens, but it didn’t have to. I agree we need to pick up the pace to get our guys shooting in the flow vs the stagnant half court crap we run. We played right into their game plan.
 

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Team will live and die by the 3 all year, there will be some games like KY that they will win despite not hitting shots but those will be few.

Just the way the team is, White can't change what 3/5th of this lineup is.
 

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White looks the role of a good BB coach, but he's just not. The whole coming out after a BS loss playing a style that doesn't fit our personel and then saying "that's on me" ain't cutting it. And this whole Big John garbage that I keep hearing like he's gonna step in and solve this mess is just horse crap. What type of offense do we run? Whats the objective? What are the mismatches we look to create ( that dont actually involve Chiozza playing defense on a 6'8" forward in the paint)? We look out of sorts most of the game and we beat UK because they sucked worst than we did.

If you want to see a team that is well coached....watch UVa. They aren't nearly as talented but those damn dudes buy in and play defense. They would beat the USC team by 15 points at least. They took Clemson apart in the second half the other night ( you know the clemson team that we lost to). Tony Bennett would take our roster and run the table in the SEC hands down. Some of our starters wouldn't see the floor with Bennett because they just don't want to work that hard, but that's what it takes.
 

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So we are not the best team in the country. You know some better coached teams. How long have their coaches been there? We are a guard heavy team. When we shoot well we can play with any team. We have compensated all year with a small lineup and little depth on the inside and still are at the top of the SEC in BB. But White is not a good coach. Just look at ______________....... White, like William Donovan, is putting his imprint on this program. Hitting that final 8 last year (oh so close to a final four) was impressive no matter what you say. Impatience seems to be a virtue in our forum. Lots of games to play. This team has to play balls to the wall def. each game to win and at the same time hit the threes. If you ever played basketball you know def. is very hard. And if the other team adjusts well and has a mismatch or two you are constantly struggling to match it. that mofo from USCe who shot lights out when he never does was the wild card last night and the difference but that surely means White sucks.
 

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I'd just like to see us consistently work harder on D. USCe might not be a great shooting team (or a great team for that matter), but there looked to be a great difference in how the two teams worked to contest shots. Silva was hurting us for sure and I suppose sagging to contain him was the best plan since they are not renowned for their perimeter shooting, but when they stuck 5/9 3-pointers on us in the first half, I think that it should have occurred to us to extend the D and work harder to close out on their attempts. Again, we are going to have nights when we are cold (probably more so this second half of the season since the blueprint is out on us as perimeter club), but there should never be any excuse for us not to be more solid defensively. That's about effort as much as anything.
 

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White looks the role of a good BB coach, but he's just not. The whole coming out after a BS loss playing a style that doesn't fit our personel and then saying "that's on me" ain't cutting it. And this whole Big John garbage that I keep hearing like he's gonna step in and solve this mess is just horse crap. What type of offense do we run? Whats the objective? What are the mismatches we look to create ( that dont actually involve Chiozza playing defense on a 6'8" forward in the paint)? We look out of sorts most of the game and we beat UK because they sucked worst than we did.

If you want to see a team that is well coached....watch UVa. They aren't nearly as talented but those damn dudes buy in and play defense. They would beat the USC team by 15 points at least. They took Clemson apart in the second half the other night ( you know the clemson team that we lost to). Tony Bennett would take our roster and run the table in the SEC hands down. Some of our starters wouldn't see the floor with Bennett because they just don't want to work that hard, but that's what it takes.

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White is still a relatively young coach and currently has us 6-2 in the SEC which is better than we all thought we’d be going in. Yes, last night’s loss sucked and White shoulders much of the blame, but let’s not jump off the ledge yet.
 

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White looks the role of a good BB coach, but he's just not. The whole coming out after a BS loss playing a style that doesn't fit our personell and then saying "that's on me" ain't cutting it. And this whole Big John garbage that I keep hearing like he's gonna step in and solve this mess is just horse crap. What type of offense do we run? Whats the objective? What are the mismatches we look to create ( that dont actually involve Chiozza playing defense on a 6'8" forward in the paint)? We look out of sorts most of the game and we beat UK because they sucked worst than we did.

If you want to see a team that is well coached....watch UVa. They aren't nearly as talented but those damn dudes buy in and play defense. They would beat the USC team by 15 points at least. They took Clemson apart in the second half the other night ( you know the clemson team that we lost to). Tony Bennett would take our roster and run the table in the SEC hands down. Some of our starters wouldn't see the floor with Bennett because they just don't want to work that hard, but that's what it takes.

I did not get to attend or watch the game, but the comments seem to be a lot of what I say about our team practically every game offensively.

With that said, I could not agree more with your post regarding Tony Bennett. I sent 2 emails to Fooley in my life. The first was lambasting him on his Zook hire the minute I heard about it. The second one was imploring him to hire Tony Bennett immediately if not sooner as soon as Billy announced he was going to the Magic. We know what happened but I knew how lazy Fooley was and would just go hire Anthony Grant (which he was going to do). Bennett was putting together a brutally competitive program at Wash St. at the time (Wash St. not exactly a bball mecca). Well my friend thought that Bennett would not go over well at UF b/c of his defensive style and not an up tempo offense. But I counter that they do shoot 3's, just not hurried or bad ones. They understand screen setting and the position and timing of doing so. They are fundamentally sound defensively (held 2 opponents just this year to under 40 points, including Clemmy) I know that Bennett has not been able to win the Big One so to speak, but he regularly competes and/or wins the ACC with less talent than Duke and UNC and for my money is the best coach in college basketball right now. I enjoy watching his teams play. And yes UF creamed UVA I know, but one game does not a career make. Ray Meyer and Guy Lewis won about 2000 games between them, but were not great basketball coaches if you ever saw their teams play

Mike could really escalate his standing if he just showed more of an acumen in half court offense. I think his guys play hard, which is huge, but I just wish they were a little more fundamentally sound in certain aspects.
 

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Good comments on Tony Bennett and UVA. I see a lot of their fans here and we compare notes on our teams. Very similar make up with a 3 guard line up with one big post man. Their Hayes is a 6 10 Aussie named Salt. In a lot of ways the teams mirror each other. The difference I see is the consistent game by game defensive effort. UVA held a ranked Clemson to 13 points total in the second half. UVA knows it has mismatches in the paint and they do everything they can to deny the ball inside . Then they make you beat them with threes which is like eating soup with a fork. When the Gators are on it looks similar with defense turnovers and transition baskets. The Cock loss while disappointing is not surprising. Parity is the name of the game this year in the SEC. Remember the Cocks knocked off UK at home then laid an egg against UT. There will be more of that with no real great teams yet. Mike White a good coach and may reach Bennett's level. What Bennett does better than most is that he makes the sum of all his parts greater than the individuals. UVA doesn't produce a lot big stars but their team shows up every game. Egbunu and Stokes should help and maybe a vocal big man in the post will help cement the team. Don't quit on these Gators and there a lot of ball to play. But until they all sell out for the team every night, we will have more nights like last night.
 

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AMAZING how EVERY time we lose the Haters and Complainers chime in about how HORRIBLE of a coach Mike White is. IF he is SOOO horrible then how in the heck did we get within minutes of a Final 4 last year??!! Yall turn on coaches so fast...
 

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Same guys that said Billy D was a Horrible coach from 01-05 and again from 07-09. White STILL has time to evolve at UF. He's ahead of schedule because of an Elite 8 appearance last year...
 

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Nice avatar. The Sand Pebbles and Steve McQueen are two of my favorites. Good comments as well.
Thanks Cover 2. Yes great movie and my favorite actor. I saw it in G Ville. I think it was playing at the old State Downtown theatre, Only old Gators remember that place. Watched it much later with my Dad a WW2 vet 50th Sea Bee Construction Battalion, and same rank as Holman. Machinist Mate 1st Class and he loved it. Now my son calls it his favorite film. Like your avatar of the Duke. One of the best actors ever.
 

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Thanks Cover 2. Yes great movie and my favorite actor. I saw it in G Ville. I think it was playing at the old State Downtown theatre, Only old Gators remember that place. Watched it much later with my Dad a WW2 vet 50th Sea Bee Construction Battalion, and same rank as Holman. Machinist Mate 1st Class and he loved it. Now my son calls it his favorite film. Like your avatar of the Duke. One of the best actors ever.
welcome to the nuthouse 86. You must be an older guy remembering the State theater. On the right heading east on univ but before the Fla Theater. Where my brother and I saw a John Wayne war movie (In Harm's Way) where I think he was the bad guy,.
 

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I hope we can win the regular season SEC title still. It would help in seeding.

For some reason the RPI only has us # 40 still but we have some good wins.
 

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I didn't watch the game. I recorded it and then saw the score when it popped up on a notification on my phone. It is probably a good thing since it saved me time and I didn't get all pissed off...

I will say this... I remember that for a while Billy had issues winning close games and his teams weren't always the best defensively. I remember he basically hired Larry Schyatt as a "defensive coordinator" and that helped a ton. White's team last year was focused on D, but this year the team is not a great defensive team. Even White has been saying all year that this team is not great defensively. Maybe if we get John back it can help as he can make a big difference on the defensive end, but I don't see this team making a long run.

That is OK! You aren't going to get an elite 8 or deeper run every year. I certainly would love for the Gators to make the Final Four so I can drive down to San Antonio and watch them, but White is still building this program.

The biggest concern to me is that White isn't getting the big guys needed to really be a consistent contender. Bassett hasn't shown much promise and while Stokes might be good he is really just 6'8. I'm not saying we need a #1 draft pick at C, but we at least need a guy who has some offensive capability in the post. A guy you can throw the ball into and can score 1 on 1 when you really need a basket.

The second biggest concern is the lack of grown of Kevaughn Allen. How much of this is due to coaching vs. just Allen I don't know, but if White shows consistently that he can't grow talent it will be a problem.
 

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