Foley's larger failure: Facilities or Butters?

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Go blow Kirby on the dwag board.
Id say swallowing, ball gargling, something like that. He is nut deep for sure. Blowing doesnt quite capture the Kev's urgent need to capture it all....when he isnt svkking off Nulls.
 
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My opinion is the thought that winning cures everything and hiring a good coach makes up for facilities is out dated. That was true in the 90's and early 2000's but just as everything does, the sport evolved as the kids evolved. Newer generations care more about the fancy things. What cool jerseys they're wearing. Having all the bells and whistles in the players lounge, all that crap that shouldn't matter that does today. Foley's biggest failure was not evolving with the game and not having the foresight to see where it was headed and the stubbornness to accept that. Had he realized that and worked on the facilities we'd still be the Gators of the Spurrier and Meyer eras.
 

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No, he made a panic hire with his old slumpbuster ex girlfriend from high school.
I'd call it pragmatic over panic. He knows Mullen and feels comfortable with him.

But since you think he panicked and there was "almost no one on the staff worth saving" to serve as interperm, I'll wait to hear who he should have waited for.

I know you thought highly of Taggart. Freeze and Bielema were available. Miles has tread left on the tires.
 

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I'm surprised at all the people saying Mcelwain over facilities. I think it's gotta be facilities because that's an ongoing problem.

I will say it was difficult for me to not say mcelwain though. He did almost as much damage as Foley did.
McElwain IMO. That bumbling, lazy sack of hammers was, unfortunately, the Face of the Gators for the better part of three years and rivals knew that. It wouldn't have mattered if we had better facilities than the Dallas Cowboys, that turd was only looking for the low-hanging fruit because he was stupid/arrogant enough to think that he could somehow use his intellectual and football prowess to outsmart the opposition. It was justification for his sloth. And not only him, but the majority of his assistant hires resembled the cast portraying the hillbillies in Deliverance in actual football coaching competence if not genetic assay. From a recruiting and PR standpoint, he was Chernobyl (on the heels of Three Mile Island).

I don't disagree that facilities are an issue, but having a buffoon trying to run your flagship program is a prison sentence that will be served even after he is out of the picture. Just how long is the question, but it can be mitigated by a better class of head coach as we move forward. We can only hope that as the HFC is upgraded (and make no mistake, Mullen is an upgrade right now) the facilities will become a focus as well. Ideally we should be at or near the top of the ladder where both are concerned.
 

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Android guy who is terminally sarcastic. C'mon, answer the question.
You cant be silly enough to suggest I was ever even slightly supportive of Willy Urkel(or Bulemia or Miles). If there were only coaches left on the planet, Urkel and Mullinz, Mullinz is the clear choice.
 
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For the guys in this thread that are already totally sold on Mullen...when are you ever gonna learn? Can't we just wait and see on the guy?

Exactly, I am old enough to remember the skepticism about Spurrier.

1. Would his offense work in the SEC?

2. Was he just winning the first two years with Galen Hall's recruits?

3. Did he ignore defense too much?

Spurrier was hired in 1990 and it was really not until the 1993 season that all doubts were erased. And even then there were people who did not like his style, but UF was competitive essentially every season for 12 years. That has not happened since.
 

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Actually there is no momentum at all. We are at a standstill. Can we recover? Maybe.
Come on Swamp Donkey, with your sense of humor I would expect you to see the humor in the recruiting situation of a coach following the star crossed Shark lover. Mullen is following a coach who fell apart in the media last season. Tough storyline for 2019 recruits. Mullen has not been here that long. Time for your humor not panic. Rome wasn't built in a day.

Stand still is cracking. We literally just got a 4 star LB commitment from Georgia who is one of the highest ranked LBs UF got a commitment from in a while. Look at the QB J Jones we got as a commitment for 2019. Kid has great speed for his height. We have a decent shot at the #1RB who's brother is walking on now. Still early in the process.
 
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Who is totally sold on Mullen? Name names or face a ban.
Judging from your reaction to every post I've made about UF football in the last 3 months I'd have to put you at the forefront of that crowd....Even going back to the statement you laid out there about "getting the #1 class next year".
 

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Yeah the Florida Marlins and Cincinnati Reds use the same method, except there was a recession and none of the Bammers or Yankees of the world were affected innthe slightest.

Choosing not to compete and the resultant 1/2 to 3/4 empty stadium creates a recession for the slumlord teams every year.
Swamp Donkey

Baseball economics are different from football. Baseball has allowed disadvantages for markets like NY. Sound business dictates that Miami should not take on more debt than NY and its super size market. Gambling on college debt has worked so far but hings are changing in the big picture that will affect discretionary spending on sports tickets. College attendance is falling in football.


What happened in 2008 was child's play. You have never seen what is happening in your lifetime. The central banks never fixed the problem just kicked the can down the road and took care of themselves. Trying to fix the problem of too much debt with more debt never works.


Supply and demand eventually wins. Normal human nature is to take things to an extreme then get crushed. The easy route is to over load on debt. Those who over do eventually pay the piper.
 
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