So where are the deficiencies in the 2018 football team?

BMF · May 20, 2018

The 'deficiencies' on this team are very obvious:

- QB
- OL
- LB
- TE
- QB
- OL
- QB
- OL
- QB
- OL

ergator920103 said:
Sorry, Insti...cannot agree with this comment. I don't care how experienced the OL is, it sucks. We have too many OL on scholarship who are not UF/SEC caliber OL. Until I see different, I am not buying the OL is improved.

This is my take on the OL: they stink as a whole....but there is some glimpse of hope. Heggie is our best OL. Ivey has talent, but is too inconsistent. Johnson, McCoy, Taylor, and Jordan are servicable w/ Taylor being the best of the 4. We have a couple of young guys we don't know about yet (Moore, Bleich, JUCO kid, McDowell, Delance, and Gourage); of this bunch I expect Moore, Delance, and Gourage (in that order) to move ahead of 1 or 2 of the 4 returning veterans. Then there's Harkless & Buchanon (who are probably in the group you mentioned: not UF/SEC caliber). Although I am happy that both of those guys gained weight and improved in the spring (Buchanon was pushing McCoy at Center).

The hope here is that w/ a real S&C program these guys will simply be stronger and physically ready; unlike the last 3 seasons. The experience they bring back (number starts/playing time) it "clicks".....and, finally, better coaching.

I think we see some OL shuffling in the first 2 or 3 games and by the UT road trip it's set (and I think one of the 6 returning guys gets bumped by a younger guy by game 3 - maybe Gourage or Moore at OG?). I'd love to see Jordan and/or Fred playing less.

stephenPE · May 20, 2018

The only deficiencies I see are in the criticisms of this team and coaching staff. We need to do more because it
is so positive in a forum that is for the gators.........Especially since this is a new staff and has done so poorly at UF since it was hired.
We suck. Most of the players suck. The new staff suck. WE must face reality............

Acecustis · May 20, 2018

Gator Fever said:
He actually played pretty good at times I thought. Basically Driskel but with a brain that can at least process the basic read option stuff quickly. Havent looked at his rushing stats for the games before his injury but he reeled off a bunch of pretty big runs with that speed he has.

Fitz can play ball. Good QB.

Acecustis · May 20, 2018

BMF said:
The 'deficiencies' on this team are very obvious:

Then there's Harkless & Buchanon (who are probably in the group you mentioned: not UF/SEC caliber). Although I am happy that both of those guys gained weight and improved in the spring (Buchanon was pushing McCoy at Center).

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That says more about McCoy than Buchanon.

Bait'n Gator · May 20, 2018

Swamp Donkey said:
He was drunk and his dick was too sore to move.

gatorkev85 · May 20, 2018

InstiGATOR1 said:
Again I am not making a prediction. I am merely saying this is what the talent level should do with good coaching.

I dont think were as talented as you think we are. Were all allowed an opinion. I dont think we are elite at any position including RB. Do I think we have a few solid positions yes but were not elite at any. Hiw many starters do we have right now that would start on any of the playoff teams from last year?

FlGator19382 · May 20, 2018

Swamp Donkey said:
It's like Swampgas in here. Ole Mullinz is going to win because Butters filled the Pantry. There were pages and pages of it last time I was there.

Some dumbazz tried to convince me that Butters recruited a better defense than Muschamp, and also said that David Reese is a better LB than Jarrad Davis. I have no idea what this person saw out of our defense in 2017 to make that statement. And if I recall correctly we had to play a walk on in Christian Garcia who would have never saw the field if Butters actually knew how to recruit.

URGatorBait · May 20, 2018

InstiGATOR1 said:
If they are not good as a unit, that would be on coaching. If they are not individually good, that would be on talent. So your criticism of the OL does not seem to be a roster deficiency to me.

shape it however you want to.
They are not good.

T REX · May 20, 2018

stephenPE said:
The only deficiencies I see are in the criticisms of this team and coaching staff. We need to do more because it
is so positive in a forum that is for the gators.........Especially since this is a new staff and has done so poorly at UF since it was hired.
We suck. Most of the players suck. The new staff suck. WE must face reality............

I think we go 8-4 next year. What do you think our record will be?

MJMGator · May 20, 2018

T REX said:
I think we go 8-4 next year. What do you think our record will be?

He doesn’t keep score.

GatorStud · May 20, 2018

Sounds like if we win 9+ games, kudos to the coaches on player preparation, development, schemes and player want to, but expect less than 8 wins because the point scoring mechanism is still missing parts. :therethere:

BNAG8R · May 20, 2018

Anything over 8 wins will be overachievement with this roster, and this roster isn’t Mullin’s fault. I looked as far back as I could find recruit rankings exist, and there hasn’t been a cumulative 4 years worse in UF history than the past 4 years. That means this is the worst talented Gator team, top to bottom, in decades.

Decades.

Decades. Eight wins after a 4-7 would be a good 2018. Anyone with higher expectations is fooling themselves.

ChiefGator · May 20, 2018

My concerns are in this order

Offensive line, we have been very weak here and massive improvements would be needed to get to 10 wins.

Linebacker, sure we might have three but you need more than that if any injuries happen.

Special teams kickers, no experience here.

Special teams players, we are not deep enough to have highly talented people as we had during NC years.

Coaching should be much better, but without players 10 wins will be very difficult.

lizardbreath · May 20, 2018

T REX said:
I think we go 8-4 next year. What do you think our record will be?

8-4 sounds about right/doable. Anything better will be a gift from the football gods. We are 2 or 3 very strong classes away from being a LEGIT 10-win or better team - and that's only if everything goes as well as it possibly can. The OP's "expectation" of at least 10 wins, with this roster, strikes me as being either preposterously optimistic, or an attempt to position himself to go on the attack when reality rears its ugly head this Fall. Face it, between the last two non-entities that we laughingly referred to as head coaches, UF has fallen lower, in terms of both talent and status in the CFB world, than we have been since the Doug Dickey fiasco (I include 1979 because Pell inherited a colossal mess). Yes, we're still "Florida," but we are not what we were, and won't be again until the talent and coaching show tremendous improvement - and that's going to take some time.

Swamp Donkey · May 21, 2018

lizardbreath said:
We are 2 or 3 very strong classes away from being a LEGIT 10-win or better team - and that's only if everything goes well as it possibly can. The OP's "expectation" of at least 10 wins with this roster strikes me as being either preposterously optimistic, or an attempt to position himself to go on the attack when reality rears its ugly head this Fall.

He is not an attack kind of guy. He is both preposterous and optimistic.

I agree 2-3 years of elite classes before we are elite again. Until then, pray for luck vs Tinerc and Kintucky.

Concrete Helmet · May 21, 2018

Swamp Donkey said:
Moon isnt good isnt good and wont be on the field I hope now that we are moving the little defensive ends to their natural position. He is horrible at setting the edge and that is critical in this new scheme. The DEs did it (tried anyway... you saw how bad we were against basic sweeps) last year.

Reese (older) is depth at best on a good team. He is useless in pass coverage. We're going to see that much more in this new defense. We hid him a bunch last year in zone.

More than the names on the jerseys and ignoring the slight inexperience up front my biggest fear with the defense is what is going to happen when opposing offensive line behemoths get up field and get their hands on our LB's when teams spread out our 3 man fronts....our safeties can barely tackle anyway. I think this more than anything will keep our defense on the field and wear them down....It's easy to call plays as an OC when it's 2nd and 2 or 3.....

Swamp Donkey · May 21, 2018

Concrete Helmet said:
my biggest fear with the defense is what is going to happen when opposing offensive line behemoths get up field and get their hands on our LB's when teams spread out our 3 man fronts....our safeties can barely tackle anyway.

If it makes you feel any better, it is really a 5-2 with the old "ends" (now called OLB) standing up instead of with a hand in the dirt. All the OLBs in this system will be the old undersized DEs we collected, not the 205 pound Shannon specials. (Those guys will be ST only I expect... and mostly gone soon.)

Of course, that doesnt change the fact the fact that our inside LBs are terrible, but Reese is solid against the inside run game. We just need a second inside LB and I think that may be Ventrell Miller.

Safeties..... yeah. Well... we can hope.

oxrageous · May 21, 2018

Swamp Donkey said:
It's like Swampgas in here. Ole Mullinz is going to win because Butters filled the Pantry. There were pages and pages of it last time I was there.

Quit being so damn obnoxious and let people have another opinion.

ChiefGator · May 21, 2018

Concrete Helmet said:
More than the names on the jerseys and ignoring the slight inexperience up front my biggest fear with the defense is what is going to happen when opposing offensive line behemoths get up field and get their hands on our LB's when teams spread out our 3 man fronts....our safeties can barely tackle anyway. I think this more than anything will keep our defense on the field and wear them down....It's easy to call plays as an OC when it's 2nd and 2 or 3.....

You assume that we will be running a three man front a lot because that is the coaches preferred method, I hope they will use the talent, not their desires. I could be incorrect.

BMF · May 21, 2018

Swamp Donkey said:
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If it makes you feel any better, it is really a 5-2 with the old "ends" (now called OLB) standing up instead of with a hand in the dirt. All the OLBs in this system will be the old undersized DEs we collected, not the 205 pound Shannon specials. (Thise guys will be ST only I expect... and mostly gone soon.)

Of course, that doesnt change the fact the fact that our inside LBs are terrible, but Reese is solid against the inside run game. We just need a second inside LB and I think that may be Ventrell Miller.

Safeties..... yeah. Well... we can hope.

Agree on the OLB's. I imagine the 'average' fan won't even notice the difference from a 4-3. I'm looking forward to 250lb CeCe Jefferson playing OLB...(hopefully he recovers from the injury).

There has to be another MLB on this damn roster. Ventrell Miller had a 'good' spring, but I'm skeptical. Was he having a good spring or was it a situation where he was the only guy available so when he made plays people noticed? He still needs to add a lot of weight to play that position effectively.

So where are the deficiencies in the 2018 football team?

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