Memorial Day

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I am traveling for work this Memorial Day - something I would normally never do, but I am sitting in for one of my employees who was diagnosed with cancer and is recovering from surgery. I saw this story, and it expressed my sentiments about this solemn, somber day. This eventually belongs in the Lounge, but at least through Monday I hope it can stay here in the sports forum.

Thank you to all who are serving, have served, and thank you to all who have perished while serving, so that we can continue to enjoy life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018...in-laden-dont-wish-me-happy-memorial-day.html

Robert O’Neill said:
Don’t wish me a happy Memorial Day. There is nothing happy about the loss of the brave men and women of our armed forces who died in combat defending America. Memorial Day is not a celebration.

Memorial Day is a time for reflection, pause, remembrance and thanksgiving for patriots who gave up their own lives to protect the lives and freedom of us all – including the freedom of generations long gone and generations yet unborn. We owe the fallen a debt so enormous that it can never be repaid.

Memorial Day is a time to honor the lives of those who would rather die than take a knee when our national anthem is played. But they will fight and die for the rights of those who kneel.

This holiday is a time to think of young lives cut short, of wives and husbands turned into widows and widowers, of children growing up without a father or mother, of parents burying their children.

Memorial Day is a time to think of might have beens that never were. Of brave Americans who put their country before themselves. Without these heroes, America would not be America.

Unfortunately, for many Americans this solemn holiday might as well be called Summer Day – marking the unofficial start of the season of barbecues, days at the beach, time spent on baseball fields and golf courses, hiking and enjoying the great the outdoors. All those things are great – we all appreciate them and they are some of the best things in life.

But Memorial Day is not Summer Day. Nor was the holiday created as a way to promote sales of cars, furniture or clothes.

Another Memorial Day brings with it a whole lot more than the start of summer. Since last Memorial Day, grass is now growing above the final resting places of many young men and women whose lives were taken too soon while defending our country in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria and other far-off places many Americans have rarely heard of.

When Army Sgt. La David Johnson, Staff Sgt. Bryan Black, Sgt. 1st Class Jeremiah Johnson and Staff Sgt. Dustin Wright were killed last October in an ISIS ambush in Niger, many Americans asked: We have troops in Niger? These unknown soldiers lost their lives protecting you – every one of you reading these words.

Think about this: Millions of high-school seniors are walking across auditorium stages this season, receiving their diplomas. Most will go on to college or jobs, but some will choose a career of military service, joining the second generation of American warriors fighting in the Global War on Terror – a war that began with the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks that took the lives of almost 3,000 people in our homeland.

Most of these new recruits – who were not even born or who were just infants when the 9/11 attacks took place – will make it home just fine. But some will not. I pray that I am wrong, but the sad truth is that the number of American war dead on Memorial Day in 2019 will be higher than it is on this Memorial Day.

On Memorial Day, I salute my brothers and sisters-in-arms who have served beside me in War on Terror. My heart especially goes out to the families of those who did not return home. In fact, I think about all those who served and those who have given their lives fighting for America from our county’s earliest days in the Revolutionary War. They all have my gratitude.

We think we are strong, but in war any of us can be turned into just a memory in an instant. And war seems to have been the universal experience of just about every society on the planet at one time or another, for as long as there have been human societies.

How do we stop the wars resulting in such tragic waste of lives? How do we stop the number of American war dead and war dead in other nations from growing? I wish I knew the answer. But battle lines are being drawn and redrawn, and wars and terrorist attacks just keep going on and on. Weapons are getting bigger. Bombs are becoming smarter and more lives are being lost every day all over the world, leading to more death, more anger and more war.

Some are so loyal to their cause that they strap bombs on their bodies or fly passenger jets into buildings. They conduct beheadings. They set prisoners on fire. How do we find common ground with them? Do we even try to find common ground, or do we finally take the gloves off and start landing punches intended to take our enemy out for good?

I’ve been on over 400 Army combat missions and have seen more war than most Americans. More than I care to remember, but cannot forget. There is never a shortage of war. War spreads faster than fire and like fire it leaves destruction in its wake.

It hurts my heart as an American every time I see another service member’s body being brought home draped in an American flag. But it hurts my heart as a human being with every act of war we are all unleashing against each other around the world.

This Memorial Day, I urge all Americans to remember all the fallen sailors, soldiers, airmen, Marines and Coast Guard members who have so bravely served our country, as well as their families.

And I urge all Americans to join me in the hope and prayer that somehow, someday people around the world will focus more on our similarities than our differences and that we will move closer to a time when war is just a memory – part of our past but not our future.
 
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This is probably gonna make its way to the political forum. Although I agree with a lot of what’s being said the fact that it even brings the part about kneeling for the national anthem in aggravates me.

I served. My father served for 30 years including Vietnam and the 1st Gulf War. My grandfather fought in WWII. My great, great grandfather fought in the Civil War.

Freedom of expression and speech are protected freedoms and has no place in a discussion of Memorial Day.

If you want to have a real memorial thread without this political propaganda I’m all for it.

HOWEVER, minus that stupid sentence the rest of it is excellent.
 

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This is probably gonna make its way to the political forum. Although I agree with a lot of what’s being said the fact that it even brings the part about kneeling for the national anthem in aggravates me.

I served. My father served for 30 years including Vietnam and the 1st Gulf War. My grandfather fought in WWII. My great, great grandfather fought in the Civil War.

Freedom of expression and speech are protected freedoms and has no place in a discussion of Memorial Day.

If you want to have a real memorial thread without this political propaganda I’m all for it.

HOWEVER, minus that stupid sentence the rest of it is excellent.

Thank you for your service.

I had hoped this discussion could go without becoming political, but that was probably too much to hope for. I had also hoped that, with everything this article says, the one small piece of it that borders on a political opinion wouldn't be what was focused on, but instead the other 99% of the words. That was also probably too much to hope for.
 

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It should be above politics but in the "New" World, everything is political.

My heartfelt gratitude to all the Heroes who have served and especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice. Words alone will never be enough.

Our Freedom has been purchased at a very high cost.

I served in Vietnam, my Father served in WWII, my GrandFather served in WWI, Four GG-Grandfathers served in the Civil War (two died), One GGGGF served in the War of 1812 and 5 GGGGGF served in the Revolutionary War. I am Honored to be in such good company.

God Bless and Keep The United States of America !
 

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I'm sure this message will be merged at some point, or moved. And I know we are all inundated with these types of things this weekend. I've never posted this here, but I sent it to friends two years ago, after a deeply moving experience I had on a business trip:

A couple weeks ago I was on a flight to Indianapolis with a highly decorated Navy Seal. The two of us were on the flight for very different reasons: I was on the first leg of a long business trip, worrying about upcoming presentations and meetings, and already missing my family. He was coming home after serving three tours of duty in Iraq. One last time. In a box in the cargo hold.

This is the second time I’ve watched this scene play out on an airport tarmac as I exited the plane: The family is standing in the rain, weeping, as the casket, draped in the American Flag, is rolled down the conveyor. The honor guard, with their stiff military bearing, takes the casket, then making the long slow march to the hearse, ends it all with one final salute. It gives the viewer the kind of profound sadness and sickness that are rarely encountered together, along with a vague feeling of shame for watching the intimate moment of a grieving family. And to be honest, it made me angrier than normal at the travesty that has caused the deaths of so many young Americans, as well as the deaths of innocents abroad who have been caught in the literal and figurative crossfire.

Petty Officer Charles Keating IV led an amazing life. He was popular, inspirational, smart and witty. He was a middle and long distance runner at Indiana University. He was from a family whose name was both famous and infamous. He married his sweetheart just before his final deployment and then he died a hero. On the morning of May 3rd, Keating and his shipmates rushed into an Isis barrage of 100 men, rescuing Kurdish forces who had tried to flee the attack. Before being fatally wounded in the firefight, Charlie Keating saved many lives. His unit, Seal Team 3, held ground long enough to let the Kurds retake the city under siege. That is the “How” of Charlie Keating’s death, a man I hope America will remember for a long time for his heroism. The “Why” of his death should be anger-provoking to us all.

We’ve seen the product of our 50 years of interventionism, nation building, and endless meddling and adventuring abroad. In Charlie Keating’s case it’s decades of future human potential vanishing in an instant on the battlefield. To Isis and Al Queda it’s a recruiting tool for lost souls who have been impacted by our foreign policy. To the intelligence community, it’s “blowback” from drone airstrikes that have killed countless women and children. To an entire section of the world it’s upheaval and fear and death. I hope that as we celebrate memorial day this weekend, we think about men like Charlie Keating, good men whom we've lost too early, and that we can reflect, deeply, on the reasons why we lost them.
 

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Good post, and certainly worth a lot of thinking.

However, let's not let this thread get political or it will have to be moved. Let's just talk about how much we admire these people that put their skins on the line for this country, and those who have made the ultimate sacrifice.

There are a number of current or former soldiers here on the Chatter. Honestly, I'm in awe of them, probably because I never would have had the work ethic or selflessness to do what they are doing or did. Saying "thank you" never seems like enough.
 

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This week and next week the Coast Guard is having the "change of watch" for Vice Commandant (held on Thursday), next Friday is the Change of Command for the Commandant. I "volunteered" on Thursday. Here's a shot I snuck of the outgoing Vice, Admiral Michel - he has the distinction of being the first 4-star Vice (the Coast Guard used to only have one 4-star, who was obviously the Commandant).....and for those of you who are non military, a 4-star Admiral is totally different than a 4-star recruit!

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Like Ox, thank you doesn't seem to be enough. So I will also offer:
  1. Don't forget their sacrifice.
  2. Don't take for granted what their sacrifice has gained us.
 

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As always, my old friend and teammate Chase Prasnicki will be on my mind, killed in Afghanistan six years ago.

 

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To those of you here at GCMB who have lost fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters, children and/or friends who died is service to our country: thank you for remembering. I've lost shipmates in combat and participated in casualty calls, have escorted remains on to the next stop, and have been that uniformed person in the white gloves who passes the folded flag on to the honored next of kin, and I can't express how much each of these situations moved me.

Each Memorial Day weekend I choose to watch "In Harm's Way" and "Taking Chance". The first reminds me of the types of sacrifices our servicemembers make and the second reminds me of how loss affects the family as well as how the military treats both family and remains with the utmost dignity in recognition of service and loss.

Enjoy your barbecue and please pray, meditate, or do whatever you do to honor those who sacrificed their lives so we can be here freely discussing the things we love.

Honor, Courage, and Commitment.
HMCM, USN (Ret)
 

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I’ve been accused of being soulless and not having a heart. For the most part, I agree.

But “Taking Chance” made me cry like a baby. It should be required viewing for all current and prospective citizens. I do not know “In Harm’s Way”, but will watch it at my earliest opportunity.

@Durfish, thank you for your service.
 

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Oddly, I haven't lost any .mil buddies in the last 17 years of war. My unit, same team even, lost a guy in Astan but I didn't know him. One of my close friends from law school lost a brother. Many friends have lost friends.

I did however lose a friend who served in another uniform, a public health service uniform, on the first day of the war. I always think of him on Memorial Day and of course 9/11.

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"Paul Wesley Ambrose, a family doctor in Arlington and a fellow at the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, had everything to live for when he died aboard American Airlines Flight 77.

Ambrose, 32, was engaged to Bianca Angelino, whom he met at a medical conference last year. Their wedding was to take place next September in Madrid.

He was an avid rock climber, Angelino said, and was in such good shape from regular workouts that she felt sure he would have tried to stop the hijackers. "Paul was trained in tae kwon do and judo," she said. "He would not have let them hijack a flight without a fight. I know this for sure."

Angelino said that most of Ambrose's patients were Salvadoran immigrants and that he was interested in the culture of Spain, where he studied for a year.

More here:
https://www.amsa.org/remembering-dr-paul-ambrose/

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I disagree with the part about Paul fighting back. Paul was a very measured dude and quite the pacifist. IMO, Paul would have been with people in the back, calming them down, assuring them that the hijackers will demand something then all will be freed, probably citing some statistics about previous hijackings, maybe even trying to rationalize with the hijackers.

Paul died for no reason, because an arrogant goat fvkker who fancied himself important was offended that KSA asked the US for help against Iraq instead of him. I hope someday to thank personally the SEALs who put a 5.56 throw Bin Ladin's skull, though I admit I wish it had taken a while for him to die, slowly, in pain.

For those who served down range thank you, and I'm sorry for your losses.
 
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Each Memorial Day weekend I choose to watch "In Harm's Way
When I was 11 years old My 9 year old brother and I walked up to the Fla Theater in Gville from our grandma's house on 13th st.
It was a real adult movie to me at that age. One of the very few that John Wayne was portrayed in a negative light. I love these days when we are allowed to honor our military veterans or our country. It is something we all can agree on (or most of us). We may not agree on our country's interventions or forays into other countries but almost all of us have had veterans in our family. We have that bond. I was very fortunate to sit and talk with a group of WW2 veterans as they continued to meet well into their 70s and 80s. I will fly my flag this weekend and continue to give what I can afford to the DAV when they send me that cool envelope with all those stamps on it. Thanks to all for their service to this country I feel so fortunate to have been born into.
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Since the inception of this country, there have been a whole boatload of wars and conflicts. With the benefit of hindsight, there's will always be debate about how some have been more "just" than others.

However, the one thing that has never changed has been the American soldier who, whether a volunteer or drafted, has charged into battle knowing it could be their end so the people back at home can have the freedom to have those debates.

As a result, respecting those soldiers should never, ever be a partisan issue.
 

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