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Just don't like to waste time on lightweights. Harris was important to the defense see below:

https://www.seccountry.com/florida/loss-safety-marcell-harris-mean-2017-florida-gators-defense

David Steel has been the topic of this thread ( if you could read) and those guys come out early with those magazines and miss injuries/ suspensions.

Again you changing the subject again..... much like your calls to axe-grinding and emotions.. that seems to be a go to move for you....

Byrdman, you notice every time you are challenged with data or facts that do not support your "accurate" story, you change the subject, fail to respond, but still say the same narrative over and over and over again.
 

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Very interesting thread. After I suggested that the thoughts of the betting fraternity be consulted by seeing how the odds changed when the news broke, this thread went eerily quiet. Presumably everyone knew that the blow was considered significant at the time. Now the chorus resumes. A blind bovine did find a mouthful of cud with the"lost the team" meme. That might have been persuasive if settled on originally.
But here is an idea to enhance the site, Ox. Juxtapose posts from this thread with those from the recruiting thread. One saying talent doesn't matter at all, and the other saying talent is the only thing that does matter. Hilarious. Probably find the same poster with both positions.

70 posts in approximately 24 hours is quiet....
 

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Again you changing the subject again..... much like your calls to axe-grinding and emotions.. that seems to be a go to move for you....

Byrdman, you notice every time you are challenged with data or facts that do not support your "accurate" story, you change the subject, fail to respond, but still say the same narrative over and over and over again.
The topic of this thread is Steel's takes on UF so you are the one off topic. Harris was one of 3 seniors taken to SEC July media days for a reason. He was important to this team whether you understand it or not.

When you go off topic I ignore your moot data.
 
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The topic of this thread is Steel's takes on UF so you are the one off topic. Harris was one of 3 seniors taken to SEC July media days for a reason. He was important to this team whether you understand it or not.

When you go off topic I ignore your moot data.

So when you talked about Steele's article from 2017, and the topic switched to that. And that is what we are discussing, how am I discussing something that is off topic? Seems you want to change back to the original OP.
 

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So when you talked about Steele's article from 2017, and the topic switched to that. And that is what we are discussing, how am I discussing something that is off topic? Seems you want to change back to the original OP.
People were discussing Steele from the beginning of the thread. One was his being wrong on his 2017 projection but A LOT happened to UF's available talent after those early magazines went to press. Like this:

https://www.seccountry.com/florida/loss-safety-marcell-harris-mean-2017-florida-gators-defense
 
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One saying talent doesn't matter at all, and the other saying talent is the only thing that does matter. Hilarious. Probably find the same poster with both positions.

Dumazz, you need both. How hard is that? A good coach can overcome some talent deficiencies but the champions have talent and lots of it. They have depth. They don't blame losing seasons on losing one player. There is a reason Saban and Creyer are out fighting each other for the 5 stars and piling up talented depth.

There is also a reason all the three star teams like Kintucky, Vandy, Indiana and the Buttergators aren't winning championships.

But yes, no amount of talent can overcome the stupidity of the prevent offense of both Chimp and Butterteeth.
 

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Dumazz, you need both. How hard is that? A good coach can overcome some talent deficiencies but the champions have talent and lots of it. They have depth. They don't blame losing seasons on losing one player. There is a reason Saban and Creyer are out fighting each other for the 5 stars and piling up talented depth.

There is also a reason all the three star teams like Kintucky, Vandy, Indiana and the Buttergators aren't winning championships.

But yes, no amount of talent can overcome the stupidity of the prevent offense of both Chimp and Butterteeth.
You need both and when just one of those two areas gets seriously decreased you lose close games. Hence the close games we lost could have been won with a major talent restoration.
 

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You need both and when one of them gets seriously deleted you lose close games.
You still failed to answer one question: In your opinion, what would our record have been without the suspensions? I want a win/loss number, not a bunch of BS.
 

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You still failed to answer one question: In your opinion, what would our record have been without the suspensions? I want a win/loss number, not a bunch of BS.
In my opinion the close games could have been won. Look at the schedule. The blow outs we would have still lost.
 
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In my opinion the close games could have been one. Look at the schedule. The blow outs we would have still lost.
Answer the question. How many wins, how many losses.
 

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You still failed to answer one question: In your opinion, what would our record have been without the suspensions? I want a win/loss number, not a bunch of BS.
LSU/Texas A&M in the Swamp and maybe SC on the road could have been wins. In retrospect I am glad we lost as I think long term we need a coach who works hard at developing and recruiting like Mullen. Win those games and maybe Mac does not make the stupid death threat complaints in public allowing UF to go against his contract.
 
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LSU/Texas A&M in the Swamp and maybe SC on the road could have been wins. In retrospect I am glad we lost as I think long term we need a coach who works hard at developing and recruiting like Mullen.
Okay, so a 7-4 season. I'm glad I finally got some kind of answer out of you.
 

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Very interesting thread. After I suggested that the thoughts of the betting fraternity be consulted by seeing how the odds changed when the news broke, this thread went eerily quiet. Presumably everyone knew that the blow was considered significant at the time. Now the chorus resumes. A blind bovine did find a mouthful of cud with the"lost the team" meme. That might have been persuasive if settled on originally.
But here is an idea to enhance the site, Ox. Juxtapose posts from this thread with those from the recruiting thread. One saying talent doesn't matter at all, and the other saying talent is the only thing that does matter. Hilarious. Probably find the same poster with both positions.
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Okay, so a 7-4 season. I'm glad I finally got some kind of answer out of you.
And kudoes for admitting you have an ax to grind with Mac. We are both glad he is gone. If he won those close games he is probably still here.
 

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And kudoes for admitting you have an ax to grind with Mac. We are both glad he is gone. If he won those close games he is probably still here.
Any Gator fan that doesn't have an ax to grind with Mac (including you) either wasn't paying attention or is blinded by homerism.
 

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I'm just curious: how many wins do you think UF would have had last year if the suspended/injured players could play?

If we had Callaway, Scarlett, Harris, Washington, Davis and Toney all year? I’d think 6-7 wins, 8 at the most. Maybe beat aTm, LSU & SC, maybe Ut and UK are won without crazy last minute drama.

The thing is, the overall program structure was failing. It wasn’t just the loss of key talent. It was offseason & preseason focus and training, leadership, etc. Key losses &/or bad luck can bump a solid program a game or 2, say from 10-2 to 8-4. The 2017 Gators were not a solid program.

Hopefully that is changing. We will know in November.
 

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Any Gator fan that doesn't have an ax to grind with Mac (including you) either wasn't paying attention or is blinded by homerism.

I don't care about who supported Mac or Chump while they were here. Most at least tried to support them and wanted to believe they could fix things. We have been desperate for sure. The problem I have is someone still supporting them after they drug the program thru the dirt and made us a national laughing stock making it extremely difficult for anyone trying to recruit to Florida. Mac should be forced to pay us the millions he ended up with and several more. He was / is a major failure and it may take years to fix this mess.
 

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Dumazz, you need both. How hard is that? A good coach can overcome some talent deficiencies but the champions have talent and lots of it. They have depth. They don't blame losing seasons on losing one player. There is a reason Saban and Creyer are out fighting each other for the 5 stars and piling up talented depth.

There is also a reason all the three star teams like Kintucky, Vandy, Indiana and the Buttergators aren't winning championships.

But yes, no amount of talent can overcome the stupidity of the prevent offense of both Chimp and Butterteeth.
No poster has a larger differential between brilliant posts and dumb posts. Unlike, say, Douglas whose posts are uniformly...... well, you know. Incidentally, if you are in doubt this is not brilliant. Some posters attribute the difference to alcohol. If you wish to disabuse them of this notion, you will probably need to discuss your genetic inheritance.
 
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