2018 US Open

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It’s the exact same course for everyone, except the course changes from the morning to the afternoon which happens in every tournament everywhere. Suck it up, buttercups.
Exactly. Since the beginning of golf, often groups that tee off at earlier or later times get an advantage over the others due to weather changes. That's just the way it goes.
 

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So the hell what? Everyone was playing the same damn course. A couple of guys shot 66, for God's sake.

Actually, you are wrong and Mike Davis, in charge of the course...

"We missed it with the wind," said Davis, who also takes a big role in course set up. "It blew harder than we thought it was going to blow. The greens got fast, and it was too much for the wind we had. At 15, you were seeing shots well-played, and they weren't rewarded. We would say it was a very tough test, but it was too tough this afternoon.

"You saw some really low scores this morning, but when it got so dry like this and the wind got up, it didn't work. This golf course will get slowed down tonight."

I could say the sun will rise in the east tomorrow and you'll argue somehow. Have fun.
 

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Actually, you are wrong and Mike Davis, in charge of the course...

"We missed it with the wind," said Davis, who also takes a big role in course set up. "It blew harder than we thought it was going to blow. The greens got fast, and it was too much for the wind we had. At 15, you were seeing shots well-played, and they weren't rewarded. We would say it was a very tough test, but it was too tough this afternoon.

"You saw some really low scores this morning, but when it got so dry like this and the wind got up, it didn't work. This golf course will get slowed down tonight."

I could say the sun will rise in the east tomorrow and you'll argue somehow. Have fun.
Where was I wrong? I said everyone played the same course and 2 guys shot 66. Those are facts.

Mike Davis is an idiot. "We missed it with the wind" LOL GTFO of here.

These guys are pros. Every damn course is easy throughout the year, with the winning scores in the double digits under par. They get ONE tourney that's a real challenge, and they squeal like little girls.

Fans that agree with Mike Davis on this are fortunately in the vast minority.
 

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Cool story bro. You win. You're right.
 

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Big controversy - did Mickelson disrespect the game by hitting a ball that was still moving, and was going to roll off the front of the green. He did it, knowing it was a 2 stroke penalty to hit a moving ball, and was willing to take the penalty to stop it from rolling. However, here is another rule:

Rule 1-2: Influence on Movement of Ball or Altering Physical Conditions
A player must not (i) take an action with the intent to influence the movement of a ball in play or (ii) alter physical conditions with the intent of affecting the playing of a hole.
Exceptions:
1. An action expressly permitted or expressly prohibited by another Rule is subject to that other Rule, not Rule 1-2.
2. An action taken for the sole purpose of caring for the course is not a breach of Rule 1-2.
*Penalty for Breach of Rule 1-2:
Match play - Loss of hole; Stroke play - Two strokes.
*In the case of a serious breach of Rule 1-2, the Committee may impose a penalty of disqualification.
Note 1: A player is deemed to have committed a serious breach of Rule 1-2 if the Committee considers that the action taken in breach of this Rule has allowed him or another player to gain a significant advantage or has placed another player, other than his partner, at a significant disadvantage.
Note 2: In stroke play, except where a serious breach resulting in disqualification is involved, a player in breach of Rule 1-2 in relation to the movement of his own ball must play the ball from where it was stopped, or, if the ball was deflected, from where it came to rest. If the movement of a player's ball has been intentionally influenced by a fellow-competitor or other outside agency, Rule 1-4 applies to the player (see Note to Rule 19-1).

He says he did it to just “get to the next hole”, but he likely thought a 2 stroke penalty is better than the strokes he might have to take if it kept rolling forever. So - should he be DQ’ed? Should we quit in shame? Sell his clubs and never touch them again?

The squaw said “Don’t they know he has psoriatic arthritis?!?!”
Finally got to watch it. It's pretty bush league what he did, made all the worse by his claiming he strategically took a two-stroke penalty rather than let the ball roll to a halt. It made no sense for him to whack the ball rolling, none.


 

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I saw this book in a store, laughed, and thought of T REX. Just remembered I had them :lol:

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Actually, you are wrong and Mike Davis, in charge of the course...

"We missed it with the wind," said Davis, who also takes a big role in course set up. "It blew harder than we thought it was going to blow. The greens got fast, and it was too much for the wind we had. At 15, you were seeing shots well-played, and they weren't rewarded. We would say it was a very tough test, but it was too tough this afternoon.

"You saw some really low scores this morning, but when it got so dry like this and the wind got up, it didn't work. This golf course will get slowed down tonight."

I could say the sun will rise in the east tomorrow and you'll argue somehow. Have fun.

St Andrew’s say’s grow a nutsack little boy.
 

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Where was I wrong? I said everyone played the same course and 2 guys shot 66. Those are facts.

Mike Davis is an idiot. "We missed it with the wind" LOL GTFO of here.

These guys are pros. Every damn course is easy throughout the year, with the winning scores in the double digits under par. They get ONE tourney that's a real challenge, and they squeal like little girls.

Fans that agree with Mike Davis on this are fortunately in the vast minority.
US Open pretend scores are one of the silliest thing in sports. They are playing two 500+ yard par 4s. If the USGA were to call them par 5s as they would be every place else, then the 4 co-leaders would be 3 under par and there would be 9 players even par or better.

Curiously if you look at the hole stats the toughest two holes are each playing .628 over par on average. Only two other holes are even playing more than .4 over par on average. Those two toughest holes are number 3 a 500 yard par 4 and number 14 a 519 yard par 4. What a surprise!

The USGA does this every year. It amazes me that these guy let the USGA get in their heads like this. Surely their sports psychologists have told them that should just mentally play these courses like they are the par 72 courses they really are.
 

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US Open pretend scores are one of the silliest thing in sports. They are playing two 500+ yard par 4s. If the USGA were to call them par 5s as they would be every place else, then the 4 co-leaders would be 3 under par and there would be 9 players even par or better.

Curiously if you look at the hole stats the toughest two holes are each playing .628 over par on average. Only two other holes are even playing more than .4 over par on average. Those two toughest holes are number 3 a 500 yard par 4 and number 14 a 519 yard par 4. What a surprise!

The USGA does this every year. It amazes me that these guy let the USGA get in their heads like this. Surely their sports psychologists have told them that should just mentally play these courses like they are the par 72 courses they really are.

Apparently they can’t find a par 72 course. Anywhere. Ever. They are smitten with the idiotic idea that changing par means anything.

Even dumber was the old practice of allowing viewers to become ad hoc officials. At least they changed that last year.

They need to go ahead and add windmills and dinosaurs when they set up US Open courses, just to be clear about the tone they are trying to set.
 

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The game should be a test of skill, not a test of luck. If they were playing Plinko instead of golf they would all be playing the same course.
 

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The game should be a test of skill, not a test of luck. If they were playing Plinko instead of golf they would all be playing the same course.
It's not a test of luck. If hitting it on a certain part of the green causes the damn ball to roll off, then hit it somewhere else. By the 3rd round the golfers should know this. Doesn't seem like brain surgery. Everyone is playing the same greens and the same pin placements.

No one can control the damn weather.
 

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I’m not talking About the weather. And I’m not talking about this particular course because I haven’t seen a single hole of golf played this year. But you can certainly set up a course to be a test of luck. For instance you strike your ball right down the middle of the fairway and it lands in a divit. Once in a while is just a Rub of the green, but if the fairway is filled with so many divits that it happens regularly then it just becomes a test of luck.
 

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I’m not talking About the weather. And I’m not talking about this particular course because I haven’t seen a single hole of golf played this year. But you can certainly set up a course to be a test of luck. For instance you strike your ball right down the middle of the fairway and it lands in a divit. Once in a while is just a Rub of the green, but if the fairway is filled with so many divits that it happens regularly then it just becomes a test of luck.
It's 5 AM on your coast. What are you doing up?
 

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It's not a test of luck. If hitting it on a certain part of the green causes the damn ball to roll off, then hit it somewhere else. By the 3rd round the golfers should know this. Doesn't seem like brain surgery. Everyone is playing the same greens and the same pin placements.

No one can control the damn weather.
Well, technically it’s a different green condition from morning to later afternoon therefore it isn’t the same course. Add in weather conditions and you can have very different courses but I understand what you are saying.
 

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Well, technically it’s a different green condition from morning to later afternoon therefore it isn’t the same course. Add in weather conditions and you can have very different courses but I understand what you are saying.
That's true but the USGA can't control the weather. Some guys get more fortunate than others on tee-off times when it comes to weather. Nothing can be done about that.
 

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That's true but the USGA can't control the weather. Some guys get more fortunate than others on tee-off times when it comes to weather. Nothing can be done about that.
That’s correct BUT the USGA does control the condition of the courses, from fairways to rough length to green speeds and green softness/firmness. There are variables that can be controlled to complement those that can’t be controlled.

That said, I’d much rather see scores of these guys in the E to -2 or -4 for 4 days versus -22 for 4 days.
 

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That’s correct BUT the USGA does control the condition of the courses, from fairways to rough length to green speeds and green softness/firmness. There are variables that can be controlled to complement those that can’t be controlled.

That said, I’d much rather see scores of these guys in the E to -2 or -4 for 4 days versus -22 for 4 days.
I'm sure they've spent the entire night soaking down the greens so the ball doesn't roll away. :rolleyes3:
 

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