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Anything less with 9 wins last year, regardless of the suspensions with last years schedule would be a failure of coaching.... regardless is we had the guys last year or not, we aren't getting to 9 wins... so its all a moot point.
 
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Anything less with 9 wins last year, regardless of the suspensions with last years schedule would be a failure of coaching.... regardless is we had the guys last year or not, we aren't getting to 9 wins... so its all a moot point.
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Agree. In your third year you have to stand on your prior recruiting and player development. Mac failed on those and deserved to be fired from my point of view. If he had not thrown the administration under the bus in public and made the death threat comments they might have maintained with 8 wins because of the huge buyout.
 
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jhbyrd said:
. Is Sharkfvkker he worst in UF history? I have not heard that.
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Sharkfvkker is one of two losing UF coaches at UF since probation. You could argue I suppose whether chimp or butterteeth was worse. I think any sensible person would believe that destroying the defense, offense, special teams and receuiting is worse than destroying just the offense.
But then again, Im not a first layer, superficial analysis type guy like you seem to be.

4-7 and 4-8 are records that will stand for a long, long time.

No one cares about what we were like back when our population was less than M'ssippi
 
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Swamp Donkey said:
Sharkfvkker is one of two losing UF coaches in UF since probation. You could argue I suppose whether chimp or butterteeth was worse. I think any sensible person would believe that destroying the defense, offense, special teams and receuiting is worse than destroying just the offense.
But then again, Im not a first layer, superficial analysis type guy like you seem to be.

4-7 and 4-8 are records that will stand for a long, long time.

No one cares about what we were like back when our population was less than M'ssippi
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Got curious this morning (and my patient load cooperated), so I crunched a few numbers. Only went back to '95, so not back to Pell and Dickey (or the low mediocrity we were mired in before them).
Average margin of victory:
McElwain 3.79
Muschamp 6.83
Zook 8.70
Meyer 17.92
Spurrier (from '95-'01) 20.55

McElwain owned the ONLY season since '95 where we AVERAGED being outscored (last year the opposition outscored us 4.71 points per game in games McElwain coached). If we would have beaten Charleston Southern by 33 points he would have broken even. He is the only one of the five listed above who never had a season where he averaged a double digit margin of victory.

What a putz.
 
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Durfish said:
Got curious this morning (and my patient load cooperated), so I crunched a few numbers. Only went back to '95, so not back to Pell and Dickey (or the low mediocrity we were mired in before them).
Average margin of victory:
McElwain 3.79
Muschamp 6.83
Zook 8.70
Meyer 17.92
Spurrier (from '95-'01) 20.55

McElwain owned the ONLY season since '95 where we AVERAGED being outscored (last year the opposition outscored us 4.71 points per game in games McElwain coached). If we would have beaten Charleston Southern by 33 points he would have broken even. He is the only one of the five listed above who never had a season where he averaged a double digit margin of victory.

What a putz.
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Muschamp's weak offensive recruiting surely had alot to do with that. Muschamp could recruit the hell out of defensive players though. The first Mac spring game was a joke due to lack of OLs.
 
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Durfish said:
...AND the second spring game...AND the third spring game...AND...
Mac gets no "pass" based on Muschamp.
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I gave him the first year, but he owned the next recruiting class. Every coach does.

The good ones know that. The buffoons think they just earned 6-8 years by having a miraculous season with only 4 BLOWOUT losses.
 
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...AND the second spring game...AND the third spring game...AND...
Mac gets no "pass" based on Muschamp.
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Exactly we were owed a national championship out of that OL he was left. No "pass".
 
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Is this you defending Mac? You defend him, then say he should be fired, then defend him again.
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I am about being accurate. Coaches can have positives and negatives.

On the positive side Mac did well the first year considering what he inherited in his first year. Give the man his due he had little given to him on offense year one but got enough out of it to get to the SEC championship game in spite of the majority of the critic's predictions. First new head SEC coach to get to the SEC championship in year one.

On the negative side, he was a lazy recruiter and developer of talent and it caught up to him his last year. We gave him a fair chance to succeed and he failed so time to move along. Plus his mouth got him in trouble.

Recruiting is mandatory in a top head coach and Mac showed he was a lazy recruiter.

Muschamp was terrific on defense and a workaholic but we gave him a chance to bring in top offensive talent and stop offensively controlling the offense but he did not. Time for him to move on after being given a fair chance.
 
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Butters had literally ZERO strengths, even hygiene.

Bytching at the AD isn't a strength.
 
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oxrageous said:
No he didn't. He benefited from a horrible SEC East. That team had no business winning the division.
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He beat Richt once. That is his resume. So did Chimp, once. Zook beat him every time.

With Gary Pinkel out of the way, it was easier to rise to the top of that mediocre pile of crap coaches. Probably Chimp would have "won" the east that year.
 
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