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gatorplank
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You are a lawyer. You know evidence and facts are always open to interpretation. You have your interpretation and he has his.
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You may think all Mac games year one were terrible to watch but most gator fans enjoyed this one.
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That and the 2016 Kentucky game were the only games where our offense looked competent, the rest was a pure shyt show. And no one gives a shyt about what anybody does in one game, if you only score 2 points against your most hated rival at home and proceed to lose your final 3 games by a combined score of 97-24 the hate you get is warranted.
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It’s funny. Donk thought I was a Nole troll the first week I started posting here.
Just an outsider looking in (haven’t been posting here that long), no online community is immune to the dynamics of groupthink.
People look at Gatorcountry and go...
And people look at Warchant and go...
Gatorchatter is not immune to groupthink and echo chamber dynamics.
I think there are a lot of Gator fans who think like Byrd...just not many on the GCMB.
I think him being here is great for the board, and I hope he continues to post here. The way he drives the vast majority of posters here insane is very entertaining to watch.
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Arguing for the greatness of Jim McElwain I would think would drive most Gator fans crazy - even you, plank. He destroyed the program and weaseled into the night on a throne of lies with millions. Nothing "groupthink" about that, just the truth.
He sucked from day freaking 1 and only got worse. I wish him the worst of luck, and hope I get the satisfaction one day of seeing him in an orange jump suit for something.
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I know of no one one real life who things Sharkfvkker was anything but a buffoon.
Frankly, there arent many here on the internet who were surprised by what happened, just AR and a couple of others. Just a handful of sheep thought they saw an OFFENSIVE EXPLOSION coming in the future and 3 stars Sunbelt recruits were the path to championships.
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And the final “FU” is the $2M we have to pay Colorado State Sep 15th as part of the “buyout” to get that assclown here. Anyone who still defends that SOB or makes excuses for the devastation he brought to our program is a fellow assclown. They deserve each other.
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I don’t think jhbyrd is arguing that McElwain was a great coach. He hasn’t said that from what I can tell. All he is saying is he exceeded expectations in 2015, and therefore won SECCOY that year. I’m with you that he was an awful coach. The expectation, though, was the defense would immediately spiral when Muschamp left. It didn’t happen immediately. It happened more gradually.
Whoever said McElwain was a poor man’s Larry Coker earlier on in the thread is correct IMO. That is a very valid comparison.
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Larry Coker won a NC. Give Mac the same team and he wouldn't have won a NC in 200 tries. Coker is Lombardi in comparison.
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I thought McElwain had an eye for talent. He found some guys like Malik Davis, Jawaan Taylor, Kadarius Toney...etc. Now FWIW there are some things I read over here that the average fan does not know. Like the recruit who said McElwain acted like he was retarded and stared into his chest after Mac spoke with him privately in the stairwell. That story was an eye opener that Mac simply is an awful recruiter. So was the parting player thoughts from ITG. I did not follow offer lists as closely as y’all do, but a good number of fans I know believed Mac was going to get over the hump. I believed he would until the Michigan game. I basically reset the clock for Mac when Grier left. I thought he could develop a Jon Parker Wilson quality QB within 2 years, but I was wrong.
Then there was the stuff about the crappy S&C program. The average fan had no knowledge of that.
But let me say this...people who post on GCMB, Swamp Gas, Rivals, 247, Gatorsports, etc...are not your average fan. People who check the recruiting thread multiple times a day are not normal fans. The average fan believed McElwain was going to turn it around if given time.
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It is a valid comparison in the sense that both coaches rode the talent of their predecessors, and then drove their respective programs into the ground.
I don’t know if you ever watched the 30 for 30 about that 2001 Miami team. Coker didn’t really even coach that team. He just let them do whatever they wanted. And they were good enough to win without a real coach due to the unreal talent on that roster.
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The board yells at Byrd like the MSM yells at a certain political figure.
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The problem is that if you agree with the Coker comparison, you're acknowledging that even a bad coach can have a successful year if there are underlying factors that impact things. In the case of Coker, he simply had too much experienced talent to mess up his first 2 seasons, and only failed once he was asked to restock and develop new players. But looking at 2001-2002 in a vacuum doesn’t tell that whole story. He won a title, almost two.
Similarly, if 2015 was the only part of McElwain’s resume that we had to go off of, then you could argue that he overachieved to an extent based on preseason expectations. I was one of those people. But once you look beyond that, his body of work suggests that factors such as a terribly weak East, some really good fortune against Vu, Ecu and FAU, and a couple of clutch plays by a QB he eventually ran off, were probably more the reason for our record, not some masterful coaching job. Of the 10 coaches he beat, 7 would go on to be fired within 2 years(Freeze had contributing factors). Stoops, Mason and whoever coaches our 2015 opener make up the rest.
The fact that neither JM or Coker have sniffed a high profile job, despite a measure of “success” says a lot. Unlike certain AD’s, most actually look at the bigger picture, not just a small sample size record. I was willing to give him credit when it looked like he may have been the catalyst for those 10 wins, as ugly as they were. But like you, I began fading in ‘16 and was done after Michigan. Just like Coker, I see no problem looking back and altering a viewpoint.
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McElwain was what his resume said he was, a middle of the pack 21-16 WAC coach, who didn't recruit well, lost games to lesser teams due to poor coaching, and will never be a champion.
These tea leaves werent particularly hard to read.
These tea leaves werent particularly hard to read.
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