Is Mullen really 2-15 all time vs ranked teams?

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2-15 ranked vs ranked

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29 losses vs ranked teams...only 9 were Bammer. Much different.

There was this "fake run" that he beat three top ten teams in a row which propelled MSU to the number one ranking...unfortunately it was early in the year and all three teams finished 8-5 and out of the top 25. Fools gold.
 

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What did Burp average, two wins? He was 11-29 in the SEC in 5 years.

Hell even Butters would be ashamed of that.

Talk about a TERRIBLE recruiter.
 

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What did Burp average, two wins? He was 11-29 in the SEC in 5 years.

Hell even Butters would be ashamed of that.

Talk about a TERRIBLE recruiter.

Well Bert did out recruit Mullen 3 out of his 5 years there.
 

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2-15 ranked vs ranked

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/sec-football/record-current-sec-coaches-vs-ranked-teams/

2 years old

4-29

29 losses vs ranked teams...only 9 were Bammer. Much different.

There was this "fake run" that he beat three top ten teams in a row which propelled MSU to the number one ranking...unfortunately it was early in the year and all three teams finished 8-5 and out of the top 25. Fools gold.
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Here are some more stats that may be of interest. I wish the schedules I saw had final rankings instead of the current ranking of when the game was played, but if that were the case, I think that would just hurt his unranked record more than make him look better.

Since 2010 Mullen is 2-18 against teams that were ranked at that game from 11-25. For clarity this does NOT include top 10 teams, and this is the ranking during the season, not the final ranking. One of those two wins is against UF. :facepalm:

Mullen is also 58-10 against unranked opponents at the time that they played. This is an average of 8-1 against unranked opponents per season. 2016 was by far his worst year going 5-5 against unranked opponents, not including his first year in 2009.

2014 was the only year I saw where Mullen beat a top 10 opponent at the time the game was played going 3-1 against teams in the top 10 and 3-3 overall against ranked opponents that year. That said 2 of the 3 teams Mullen beat finished the season unranked. If I remember correctly there are only 3 seasons in which Mullen beat at least one ranked team (again not final rankings).

Since we currently have slightly better talent than his MSU teams but with questions at QB, statistically we're probably looking at a 7-5 or 8-4 season, which many here already expect. That is unless Mullen can break away from his habit of losing to ranked teams. If recruiting doesn't pick up, then it may be at least 4 years before we go 10-2 again.
 

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Slim Charles is a character on The Wire. "The lie" is people saying Mullen has only won 2 ranked games. People just run with that number like it's gospel, no matter how untrue it is. So they fight on that lie.

(interestingly enough, the line from the show was an allusion to the Iraq War that was happening at the time, the lie being Iraq possessing WMDs)

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I'm not debating any of the data or opinions on the matter, as they may both tell us exactly what we should expect. I'll reserve all judgement until I see the product on the field. But I still think the performance against ranked/non-ranked teams tells only part of the story. The simple fact is that whether or not teams like Aub, Lsu, Ala, ut, uga or UF had a ranking next to them in years they played, those teams almost across the board had considerably more talent. Imo, that should be considered.

Take his win against us in 2010. We were obviously a bad team that year, just as Lsu was last year, Aub in '14, etc. But he still lined up mostly 2 and 3* players against mostly 4 and 5* players and won. In the games against unranked opponents, he no doubt had a sizable talent advantage and typically won, with a few concerning exceptions. So any time he pulled a win against any of the above mentioned teams, as rare as it was, he was pulling an upset.

That leads me to believe that if he can amass talent here and at least be on level footing with all of our opponents, he can win. So to me, that's the biggest concern right now, and the one that has to be fixed. Because he's not shown the ability to consistently out coach teams that have more talent. But when I see his record, I still see someone who can win.
 

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Mullen will get his chance to improve against the top 25 this year. Teams that could be ranked when we play them UGA, FSU, USC, LSU, MSU, Mizzou, even UK or UToothless could be.

Most likely at least 4 ranked opponents. Since most of those teams aren't very good he should improve his record against ranked this year, or maybe he won't.
 

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Spinning over something we’re stuck with for 3 years :lol3:
 

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I think the Taggert hire is going to be a disaster for FSU. The dude has had very little success in his career. Obviously, with the 2-15 records against ranked teams. Is Dan that much better? Who knows. I personally think he is better, although I do think Mullen has a ceiling. At least we're in a better position than them to some degree now.
 

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