Should jhbyrd be banned from the Chatter?

Should jhbyrd be permanently sent back to Swamp Ass?

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Gator Fever

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You seem pretty sure of that. Here in this same forum we’ve got posts pointing out that you don’t teach a child to swim by throwing them in the deep end - yet that’s essentially what was done to Franks, given the known fact that Mac and Nuss were beyond incompetent at developing quarterbacks.

And then there’s Trask, who not only had no coaching prior to Mullen arriving, he’s also had no snaps. You’re awfully quick to just write these two guys off as failures. Considering our relatively easy schedule this season, we may not suck as bad as you think.

That is the only reason we may go 8-4 this season. You can't coach the crap Franks was doing at QB. I have never said too much about Trask except that it would be hard to be worse than Franks.

I will post some examples here of teams in similar situations to us and what their recruiting looked like in the coach's first class he had the whole year to work on the recruiting.
 

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You seem pretty sure of that. Here in this same forum we’ve got posts pointing out that you don’t teach a child to swim by throwing them in the deep end - yet that’s essentially what was done to Franks, given the known fact that Mac and Nuss were beyond incompetent at developing quarterbacks.

And then there’s Trask, who not only had no coaching prior to Mullen arriving, he’s also had no snaps. You’re awfully quick to just write these two guys off as failures. Considering our relatively easy schedule this season, we may not suck as bad as you think.

Here are some quick examples:

Texas: since 2010 - 4 losing seasons, best season 9-4, 2nd best season 8-5 and the new coach had a # 4 2nd recruiting class.

Texas A&M since 2010 - best season 11-2, 2nd best season 9-4, 4 seasons of 8-5 or worse and the new coach is currently top 5 in recruiting.

FSU prior to Fisher - mediocre for several years but 2nd recruiting class was #2.

Georgia was stuck in also ran status for several years before Smart - #3 2nd recruiting class.

UF since 2010 - 2 losing seasons, best season 11-2, 2nd best season 10-4, and the new coach is apparently headed to a mediocre 2nd class in the teens.
 

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When we start kicking the teeth out of teams like UMass and FIU instead of letting them hang around deep into the 3rd quarter....It's one thing to get a tough game here and there from an over matched conference team but even that shouldn't happen everytime we play Vandy and UK....When we start taking taking care of those things then I'll start to believe a little more.

That is why I say more than functional, excellent. Stop playing down to the competition.
 

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How about the end of the 2016 season when we didn't score a TD on offense for like 4 games to end the season? That wasn't a red flag?
Bingo imo.

I remember taking flak at the time for saying I've never seen a coach/ commander/ executive/ chief/ whatever who succeeded after his team gave up on him.

they gave up on him then, they they gave up on him in Nov 16 and gave up at the latest in in September 17.
 

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There seems to be some serious butt hurt around here regarding “Swamp Ass” - what’s y’alls beef with another Gator message board?
We dont like the smell of garbage.

It's also not a message board. There's only one acceptable message over there
 

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Winning and recruiting go hand in hand. .
sorry but that simply isn't true.

There's a whole podcast on it from the Gators breakdown guys and there's an article from one of the three.

Either you can recruit or you can't.

The coaches at Tennessee and Clowntown aren't striking out completely recruiting. We weren't striking out either until we made the wrong assistant coach decisions.
 

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....It's one thing to get a tough game here and there from an over matched conference team but even that shouldn't happen everytime we play Vandy and UK.....
Personally I think it's terrible when those Kentucky kids have to lose. They were playing their tails off to you know.

:mac:
 

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sorry but that simply isn't true.

There's a whole podcast on it from the Gators breakdown guys and there's an article from one of the three.

Either you can recruit or you can't.

The coaches at Tennessee and Clowntown aren't striking out completely recruiting. We weren't striking out either until we made the wrong assistant coach decisions.

Debatable. For the last 8 straight years our football program has been irrrlevant. For the last 9 years, Mullen has been earning some hard knocks stripes in Starkville, Mississippi, making a ****ty team decent, but certainly not a national media darling.

Back when Mullen was winning championships as our OC under Meyer, the kids we’re trying to attract were in 3rd grade. So, neither the program nor the new head coach have any established credibility with the recruits were trying to attract.

Throw outdated facilities in on top of no credibility and you get a very slow start to recruiting. Much as we’d like to think otherwise, the top recruits aren’t likely to sign with UF simply because one of our coaches is recruiting him. We may need to become nationally relevant again first. That’ll only happen on the field - that’s why I say they go hand in hand.
 

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Debatable. For the last 8 straight years our football program has been irrrlevant. For the last 9 years, Mullen has been earning some hard knocks stripes in Starkville, Mississippi, making a ****ty team decent, but certainly not a national media darling.

Back when Mullen was winning championships as our OC under Meyer, the kids we’re trying to attract were in 3rd grade. So, neither the program nor the new head coach have any established credibility with the recruits were trying to attract.

Throw outdated facilities in on top of no credibility and you get a very slow start to recruiting. Much as we’d like to think otherwise, the top recruits aren’t likely to sign with UF simply because one of our coaches is recruiting him. We may need to become nationally relevant again first. That’ll only happen on the field - that’s why I say they go hand in hand.

Will you please explain to us here why that isn't hurting the other big football programs in the south besides us now and Mac was only a few years removed from an 11-2 record here when he began his crappy recruiting.

The simple answer is Mac couldn't recruit and Mullen will not recruit well unless he gets some people on staff that can actually recruit. If that is true about Mullen and loyalty with assistants like someone posted here he will be gone after 3 or 4 years and we will be starting all over again. Its looking like Mullen may have a little battle even beating South Carolina by much in recruiting this year which is a joke.
 

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Debatable.
you can debate all you want but the guys on the podcast did all the work for you with the stats.

What the stats actually reflected was that a good year on the field produces better recruiting 2 years later at best.

if youre stat guy.

I'm not really a stat guy. what I think he needs to hire some great recruiters ASAP like December.

I don't think he will, I think he'll stick with his friends and we will be firing him in 3 years like the last two guys.
 

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Will you please explain to us here why that isn't hurting the other big football programs in the south besides us now and Mac was only a few years removed from an 11-2 record here when he began his crappy recruiting.

The simple answer is Mac couldn't recruit and Mullen will not recruit well unless he gets some people on staff that can actually recruit. If that is true about Mullen and loyalty with assistants like someone posted here he will be gone after 3 or 4 years and we will be starting all over again. Its looking like Mullen may have a little battle even beating South Carolina by much in recruiting this year which is a joke.

Yeah I guess you’re right - it pretty much looks like we’re totally screwed.
 

Mr.Breeze

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you can debate all you want but the the guys did all the work for you with the stats.

What the stats actually reflected was that a good year on the field produces better recruiting 2 years later at best.

if your stat guy.

I'm not really a stat guy and what I think is he needs to hire some great recruiters ASAP like December.

There are factors in play unique to each school, and stats don’t tell the whole story. BTW, national signing day is 7 months away. So I’ll keep debating it as you said, and you can keep right on freaking out. Works for both of us.
 

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That is the only reason we may go 8-4 this season. You can't coach the crap Franks was doing at QB. I have never said too much about Trask except that it would be hard to be worse than Franks.

I will post some examples here of teams in similar situations to us and what their recruiting looked like in the coach's first class he had the whole year to work on the recruiting.

One more thought on Franks, and you just made it. You can’t coach that crap - and clearly nobody coached much of anything for that kid. When he came out of high school he was physically gifted, but everybody used the word “raw” to describe him. So that suggests the coaching he got in HS probably wasn’t worth a damn either. We all agree there probably isn’t a more incompetent QB coaching duo at the college level than Mac and Nuss were - hell, our S&C wasn’t even worth a damn. So what possible reason could we have to consider Franks as anything except still raw?
 

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There are factors in play unique to each school, and stats don’t tell the whole story. BTW, national signing day is 7 months away. So I’ll keep debating it as you said, and you can keep right on freaking out. Works for both of us.

I hope you don't read that article about early August and getting good recruiting classes in the SEC. You might find it rather sobering.
 

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I hope you don't read that article about early August and getting good recruiting classes in the SEC. You might find it rather sobering.

Yeah it’s sobering — but as big a bunch of drama queens as these kids are coming out of high school and all their silly hat games, I’m counting on a good number of them playing out the recruiting process - for good reasons too. I’m hoping Mullen & Co can get enough of them to build a good team
 

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One more thought on Franks, and you just made it. You can’t coach that crap - and clearly nobody coached much of anything for that kid. When he came out of high school he was physically gifted, but everybody used the word “raw” to describe him. So that suggests the coaching he got in HS probably wasn’t worth a damn either. We all agree there probably isn’t a more incompetent WB coaching duo at the college level than Mac and Nuss were - hell, our S&C wasn’t even worth a damn. So what possible reason could we have to consider Franks as anything except still raw?

I think they may be able to keep him from being a disaster this year but he probably has too much Driskel in him. At places that have some decent QB recruits on the roster I doubt Franks would have ever cracked the starting lineup.

I am a pessimist after our recent history and buying into Muschamp and Mac at first but this time I will not fall for anything until I see it on the field and in recruiting. I was big against hiring Mullen before they did it also.
 

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I think they may be able to keep him from being a disaster this year but he probably has too much Driskel in him. At places that have some decent QB recruits on the roster I doubt Franks would have ever cracked the starting lineup.

I am a pessimist after our recent history and buying into Muschamp and Mac at first but this time I will not fall for anything until I see it on the field and in recruiting. I was big against hiring Mullen before they did it also.

Totally understandable. Mullen’s greatest fault at this point in time is that Chump and Mac came before him and destroyed the morale of much of Gator Nation. You’re a casualty dude.
 

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I think they may be able to keep him from being a disaster this year but he probably has too much Driskel in him. At places that have some decent QB recruits on the roster I doubt Franks would have ever cracked the starting lineup.

I am a pessimist after our recent history and buying into Muschamp and Mac at first but this time I will not fall for anything until I see it on the field and in recruiting. I was big against hiring Mullen before they did it also.

Who was a better option in your opinion?
 
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