Serena meltdown

Ancient Reptile

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Sally at the Washington Post has an article calling for the umpire's sacking and touching all three bases: gender, race, and motherhood. A woman umpired the men's final today. Interesting to think what would have happened if the umpires had been reversed. At what point do we give in to identity politics and accept the accommodations that prevent the tempests and the accompanying denunciations. Billie Jean King and NOW have both issued strong accusatory statements.
 

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Is there no room for discussion?


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Here are the “highlights”


Serena was up 3-1 in the 2nd set when the coaching penalty was called. The highlight doesn’t show what she actually did. It sounds like she said she was checking on her baby? Unclear. But even if so, how can the umpire judge what was said?

Her umbrage at that call derailed her. She kept escalating it, breaking rackets, until the 3rd penalty which is a game. The only thing the umpire might have done differently was to tell her “I’m very close to assessing a game penalty.” He gets to decide if calling him a thief - undermining his credibility - warranted the next penalty.

Her complaint that men routinely get away with worse? I don’t watch much tennis, but I do remember extended McEnroe & Connors tantrums. But those were over line calls and 30+ years ago.

All of this was grossly unfair to Osaka, whose victory has been overshadowed by Williams’ breakdown.
 

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Did anyone pick up where Serena said that she would make sure that line judge would never officiate at another of her matches? If true, the suggest that the big named stars like Serena can pick officials who will favor them.
 

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If his treatment is not the same for everyone, he certainly deserves censure. I do believe he has given a game penalty to a male player. I have watched McEnroe ramts and wished fervently for stronger penalties, but I have never seen anything like Serena's. Nadal has told an official that he would never umpire his match again. Don't know if that was carried out. Also, Serena's 2009 Open when she told the lines person that she would ram the bleeping ball down your bleeping throat should not be forgotten.
Patrick Murataglou admitted on TV that he was, in fact, coaching in violation of the rules. This a penalty that is not uncommon when it is detected. The thing that so enraged Serena was that she took it as impugning her integrity. I thought the umpire might have said that the violation was for her coach offering coaching in match play and did not necessarily imply that she had accepted it. Other than that I feel that everyone should play by the same rules in all sports and in politics and life.
 

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What? Explain?
Attempt at being cynical....... The lines seem to be already drawn, doesn't seem like any discussion just jump on your soap box and spout off.

Ancient, this isn't addressed toward you, just the way many communicate these days.
 

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Why did you have to use the word "coals" for this? Because coal is black? Frickin racist!

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The thing that I believe is most ridiculous about the meltdown is the repeated insistence that the ref apologize. How many times did this grown adult clamor that he "owed" her an apology? Couple that with the comment about him never working another match for her, and it comes off as extremely entitled and quite nasty. I don't care whether the call was wrong or not. That happens. To go on a rampage and, to use MJF's characterization, "badgering" relentlessly is uncalled for and reveals a lot about her character.

And I'd agree with the others that it takes away from a great performance by Osaka. But that's also not exactly new. Serena tends to have a crutch nearly every time she sees herself losing, and has been proven to be very disingenuous, yet rarely gets called out for it. This is just the latest episode.
 

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She called the umpire a thief! In any sport that would get you booted.

Also, she said, “I’d rather lose than cheat”, but her own coach admitted on TV he was coaching her. Serena’s full of $hit

Serena came off as an entitled brat and got everything she deserved.
 

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There is not doubt she is the greatest female tennis player of all time. But no, that shouldn't give her wiggle room to abuse officials. Nobody is bigger than the game.
 

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I love how people who don't watch tennis are suddenly experts. Ramos is hated by the men's side as well. That's a fact. He's strict as an umpire with a long history of giving out code violations. Is he inconsistent? Yes. What umpire or ref isn't no matter the sport. In this case, Serena was way out of line. There is no evidence of sexism. None.
 

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With all female players in their prime, I am betting on Serena to win every time. She is huge, strong, athletic, and plays the game with incredible power for a woman.

If any male player in any other sport goes after an official like she did, they would get tossed, maybe for multiple games. Hell, you get tossed simply for arguing balls and strikes in baseball and no one gets in an uproar about it.

Her shenanigans overshadowed a great game played by her BIRACIAL opponent. So, I don't see a racial element here, nor a sexist one. Not sure what the hell her being a mother matters here.
 

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The bizarre part is the incessant demand for an apology. An apology from the ref or ump or whatever they call him. Yeah, ok. The dude made a call. Maybe it was a bad call. So what, it happens, keep playing. She looked like an idiot and a lot of people will never view her the same way, although I know this isn't her first tantrum.
 

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With all female players in their prime, I am betting on Serena to win every time. She is huge, strong, athletic, and plays the game with incredible power for a woman.

If any male player in any other sport goes after an official like she did, they would get tossed, maybe for multiple games. Hell, you get tossed simply for arguing balls and strikes in baseball and no one gets in an uproar about it.

Her shenanigans overshadowed a great game played by her BIRACIAL opponent. So, I don't see a racial element here, nor a sexist one. Not sure what the hell her being a mother matters here.
She has produced an incredible record. I have, mno a conviction, but a sneaking suspicion that Serena has met her match. Although Serena is only 2-7 when she loses the first set on a finals in a major (so she would probably have lost without the penalty) Naomi looked her in the eye and never blinked. Serena's fist pump and primal scream has intimidated other opponents, but Osaka was unmoved. Returned hard
 

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I love how people who don't watch tennis are suddenly experts. Ramos is hated by the men's side as well. That's a fact. He's strict as an umpire with a long history of giving out code violations. Is he inconsistent? Yes. What umpire or ref isn't no matter the sport. In this case, Serena was way out of line. There is no evidence of sexism. None.
In fact, Ramos gave Djokovic a warning (first remedy in the three step process) for conduct violation (smashing racquet) in July at Wimbledon. Serena either does not know the rules, or feels like she’s entitled, or both. Ramos was just doing what he does for all players, regardless of gender or race.

Serena was getting her ass handed to her and didn’t like it.

Was REALLY happy (and surprised) that Martina said what she did.

PS I think it was Ramos that called Djokovic for two serve time violations (second did take a point) against Millman last week at the US Open.

And don’t get me started on women getting same payout as men in the Grand Slam tournaments... THAT is sexist/discrimination in the reverse
 

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This is just Serena. She’s always been a bad person who feels entitled. Just research her father and you’ll see where she gets it from.

There was a match where Venus got a warning because her beads flew out of her hair. She was a teenager and eventually grew up. Serena has not.

Rules are in place for a reason. Go on YouTube and watch some tennis fails. You’ll find numerous code of conduct violations that result in immediate default. This isn’t the playground.

As for the guys do it comment. How on Earth are you going to raise your child and she wants a tattoo, drugs or whatever. Well I guess if everyone else is doing it. And she complains that her integrity was attacked.

Glad she lost. Hope she never wins another slam.
 

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In fact, Ramos gave Djokovic a warning (first remedy in the three step process) for conduct violation (smashing racquet) in July at Wimbledon. Serena either does not know the rules, or feels like she’s entitled, or both. Ramos was just doing what he does for all players, regardless of gender or race.

Serena was getting her ass handed to her and didn’t like it.

Was REALLY happy (and surprised) that Martina said what she did.

PS I think it was Ramos that called Djokovic for two serve time violations (second did take a point) against Millman last week at the US Open.

And don’t get me started on women getting same payout as men in the Grand Slam tournaments... THAT is sexist/discrimination in the reverse
This. She was being dominated on the tennis court before any of this started.

First, she WAS CHEATING, despite her LIES to the contrary. They captured it on video and her coach admitted it. The fact that some others are better at cheating and they don't get caught is not an excuse for cheating. If you get caught, you pay the price. Which, in this case, was just a warning. More importantly, it was her first code violation.

Second, she double faulted twice in one game and lost her serve in the second set. Nobody makes you double fault but yourself. She lost control and slammed her racquet to the court and broke it. So I guess, because she is female, she received her second code violation.

Third, she was so upset about losing that she just couldn't let it die, so she kept going on and on until she finally called the chair umpire a thief (for taking a point away, just because she is female). By this time she was losing anyway, so it didn't matter. Except to get her in the headlines. So the chair umpire gave her the third code violation that she deserved, which was a game penalty.

I am ashamed that she represents my country.
 

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