Serena meltdown

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This. She was being dominated on the tennis court before any of this started.

First, she WAS CHEATING, despite her LIES to the contrary. They captured it on video and her coach admitted it. The fact that some others are better at cheating and they don't get caught is not an excuse for cheating. If you get caught, you pay the price. Which, in this case, was just a warning. More importantly, it was her first code violation.

Second, she double faulted twice in one game and lost her serve in the second set. Nobody makes you double fault but yourself. She lost control and slammed her racquet to the court and broke it. So I guess, because she is female, she received her second code violation.

Third, she was so upset about losing that she just couldn't let it die, so she kept going on and on until she finally called the chair umpire a thief (for taking a point away, just because she is female). By this time she was losing anyway, so it didn't matter. Except to get her in the headlines. So the chair umpire gave her the third code violation that she deserved, which was a game penalty.

I am ashamed that she represents my country.
Wish that the USTA had agreed to sponsor Osaka when she asked. Reps that country well. Interesting football analogy, the USTA went with recruiting ranking instead of personal evaluation. Our loss is Japan's gain
 

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Also wanted to add that I do think you can put officials on a list as a player. Believe you have to have a good reason and the directors will do their best to not assign those officials to your matches. This would qualify as a good reason. Even tho I think she was wrong, she now has a reason to believe he couldn’t be impartial.
 

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There is not doubt she is the greatest female tennis player of all time. But no, that shouldn't give her wiggle room to abuse officials. Nobody is bigger than the game.

Abuse? :rotfl:
 

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Okay. So why the hippo tutu outfit?

Could have something to do with the fact that she just had a kid and might have a bit of a belly still. Still didn’t stop her from getting one game away from another championship. But, continue. Your jokes are hysterical.
 

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I didn't see it live, or on video, still, I did get a good look at that cartoon caricature so I see she was frightening and dangerous looking. So throw the book at her.
 

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Okay. So why the hippo tutu outfit?
You would have to ask her. I assume no one has the courage to tell her how she looks. I guess I thought that social media would handle these things, but apparently not. Maybe she makes tons of money off of them.
 

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Could have something to do with the fact that she just had a kid and might have a bit of a belly still. Still didn’t stop her from getting one game away from another championship. But, continue. Your jokes are hysterical.
One game away? What are you talking about? Do you understand how tennis is scored? Or are you talking about some other championship?
 

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One game away? What are you talking about? Do you understand how tennis is scored? Or are you talking about some other championship?

I was referring to winning the match. Chill out.
 

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I am chill. Sorry if I didn't sound chill, but you do realize that she was never close to winning that championship. She was not a game away; she was not even a set away. She wasn't close.

She was playing for a Championship. That’s my point. You’re arguing minutiae, Ancient. If you wanna get specific, Osaka was up a full set on her already and a few games when the incidents began. I have seen her come back from worse deficits. When she is at her best, she is the most dominant athlete in her sport. She allowed the confrontation to get her head and essentially folded after the ref docked her a full game for the third violation. In my opinion, she is still trying to regain her form after a recent pregnancy. It’s a testament to how good she is that she was able to cruise through the competition en route to the Championship match.

There is no doubt that Osaka is a rising star, but I don’t believe anybody can beat Serena consistently when she is in shape. In hindsight, she should have definitely done better to ignore the ref, compose herself, and regroup to stage a comeback. She didn’t and we all know what happened. She probably regrets that now. She isn’t blameless and I’m not suggesting that.

The main criticism I have of the ref is that he was too anal and overly sensitive given the stakes at hand. Athletes have rants all the time and they largely go ignored by officials unless a line is crossed, typically when profanity is directed at them. I would never want to deduct a full game from a player in a Championship unless it was a last resort. It’s too critical of a swing. Doing so for “verbal abuse” was a pussy move based on what she said. He was in his feelings just as much as Serena. You have to have thicker skin in this situation as a ref.
 

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She was playing for a Championship. That’s my point. You’re arguing minutiae, Ancient. If you wanna get specific, Osaka was up a full set on her already and a few games when the incidents began. I have seen her come back from worse deficits. When she is at her best, she is the most dominant athlete in her sport. She allowed the confrontation to get her head and essentially folded after the ref docked her a full game for the third violation. In my opinion, she is still trying to regain her form after a recent pregnancy. It’s a testament to how good she is that she was able to cruise through the competition en route to the Championship match.

There is no doubt that Osaka is a rising star, but I don’t believe anybody can beat Serena consistently when she is in shape. In hindsight, she should have definitely done better to ignore the ref, compose herself, and regroup to stage a comeback. She didn’t and we all know what happened. She probably regrets that now. She isn’t blameless and I’m not suggesting that.

The main criticism I have of the ref is that he was too anal and overly sensitive given the stakes at hand. Athletes have rants all the time and they largely go ignored by officials unless a line is crossed, typically when profanity is directed at them. I would never want to deduct a full game from a player in a Championship unless it was a last resort. It’s too critical of a swing. Doing so for “verbal abuse” was a pussy move based on what she said. He was in his feelings just as much as Serena. You have to have thicker skin in this situation as a ref.

She is something like 2-8 in Grand Slam Finals after losing the first set. She is on the tail end of her career and her opponent was dialed in. Could she have won? Sure. Is it probably? No.

Tennis is very much a mental sport and her losing her shyt was a mental collapse. She deserves to lose just for that.
 

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Since you seem to understand tennis scoring, ehy would you say she was a game away,? Incredibly inaccurate.
Your point about her coming back is more interesting. She has indeed staged fine comebacks, though rarely in the finals of major tournaments. I have a very different view of what I saw. What I saw was Serena scream her scream and Osaka never flinch and Serena knew it. I would be surprised if Serena wins another major. After a brief slump while Naomi deals with the new fame she will show that she is superior to Serena mentally and physically. Her serve is already harder than Serena's. Soon it will be placed better. This was Serena's last best chance to catch Margaret Court.
I will make a prediction: within one year Serena will retire to spend more time with Olympia without having passed Margaret Court.
 

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She is something like 2-8 in Grand Slam Finals after losing the first set. She is on the tail end of her career and her opponent was dialed in. Could she have won? Sure. Is it probably? No.

Tennis is very much a mental sport and her losing her shyt was a mental collapse. She deserves to lose just for that.

Yeah, she sucks at Tennis and isn’t mentally tough. Seems about right considering she was playing this match to be considered the greatest of all time. And according to you she’s an awful person, despite never getting into trouble off the court. Genius observational skills. Log off while you’re ahead.
 

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Serena is a large, overly muscled woman. Actually, when she started out, I thought a weight gaining problem would stunt her career. I was way wrong. Dominant tennis stars like Serena make the tournaments more boring by the sameness she brings.

She went through pregnancy & childbirth recently. That's is great physiological trauma to recover form from. She'll probably return to top form but not as top as before. Wear and tear and younger challengers should make tournaments more difficult for Serena.

Still, her volatile threatening behavior actually put fear into that foot-fault line-judge. In the video, it look like that tiny judge ran to the umpire in fear as Serena stalked toward her shaking her racket and verbally threatening bodily harm ??
 

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Yeah, she sucks at Tennis and isn’t mentally tough. Seems about right considering she was playing this match to be considered the greatest of all time. And according to you she’s an awful person, despite never getting into trouble off the court. Genius observational skills. Log off while you’re ahead.
Since when do you have to do anything illegal to be a bad person. Just look at her history of how she treats people. She got disqualified from one US Open for threatening a lines person, she has consistently never given credit to opponents who have beaten her (just made it about her, which she's done again). I'm just glad she's moved on from playing the race card and now it's just the gender card and mom card. All you have to do is watch a handful of interviews to see she is fake AF.

And no, she's not mentally tough. She's won because she's had such a huge talent advantage over the field. I just gave you a stat of 2-8 after losing the first set of a grand slam final. Do you know anything about tennis...at all. With her talent difference, she should broke the record a long time ago, and she should not have that kind of record after losing the first set. It should be a wake up call, like Jordan losing a game in the Finals.

Here's the fun thing for me. Players are not fearing her so much anymore. So you get the matches like we just saw, a woman not backing down. I wonder what her record would be if she didn't look and act like a man on the court all these years and women were never intimidated by her behavior.

She's a piece of shyt an you;re the toilet paper that wipes her up.
 

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