***OFFICIAL GAME THREAD: UF vs UT***

If UF loses to UT, what is your most likely reaction?

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LongTooth

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I hope you guys are right about Pierce, but I doubt you are. We’ve been down that road too many times.

I suppose if he was to actually get off the bench and play, we could learn a lot more.

With Davis hurt, he will, and we will.

It's the defense I'm more worried about tho. We haven't proved we can stop the run, and our secondary is an injury-riddled and talent-challenged mess. Not a good combo, even against UT, who has a decent RB/QB tandem.
 

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cover2 has been ringing the bells for Pierce way before anyone else on this board as i recall.

I attended nearly every home game that the 3 greatest RBs and the 2 greatest QBs UF ever had played in. Emmitt is my all time favorite Gator great.

With the exception of Smith, and maybe Rhett, those guys spent their freshman seasons in largely supporting roles, yet still managed to impact games in big ways. And you could tell when they all were freshmen that bigger things were coming. In the case of Smith and Rhett, they were on less talented squads as freshmen that sorely needed their contributions.

Perine and Scarlett are deeper into the playbook than Pierce, they are good RBs, and they are older, so he is in the same place other greats started from. Nevertheless, his teammates say he is a great learner and picking things up like a sponge. And, like Tim, he's considered one of the strongest players on the team. And like Smith and 1992 Eric Rhett, he is on a team with a little less talent across the board than other Gator squads.

We need a spark.

Pierce has it.

A lot of his HS stats parallel Smith's. Both rushed for over 2000 yds in a season twice. Smith averaged 7.8 ypc, Pierce averaged 7.2 ypc. Both fumbled six times in HS. Smith scored 106 TDs, Pierce 95. Smith played in 49 games, Pierce in 46. Smith averaged 2.16 TDs a game, Pierce 2.06.

Smith had 8804 yds on 1144 rushing attempts, Pierce had 6779 on 942 rushing attempts. If you give Pierce the extra 202 carries Smith got in HS at Pierce's 7.2 ypc avg, and also add in the 571 yds Pierce got receiving in HS, his totals from scrimmage come out to, I kid you not, 8804 yards. 8804.4 to be precise.

If Dan can find a way in his offense to exploit Pierce's mix of measureables and intangibles, Pierce can be a great one. Sadly, I'm not convinced this offense is built for a showcase RB. It's built for a showcase QB.

Excellent post. I'm hoping for some flexibility from the coaches, and that spark we so desperately need could well be Pierce.
 

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Excellent post. I'm hoping for some flexibility from the coaches, and that spark we so desperately need could well be Pierce.

Dan keeps saying he can adjust to his players' talents, but these coaches rarely do that.

His offense isn't set up for a marquee every down back. The QB pounds the rock.

If Franks ends up with more rushing attempts than any of the RBs again, we're hurting.
 

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With Davis hurt, he will, and we will.

It's the defense I'm more worried about tho. We haven't proved we can stop the run, and our secondary is an injury-riddled and talent-challenged mess. Not a good combo, even against UT, who has a decent RB/QB tandem.

If Reese returns it should help a bunch.
 

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Dan keeps saying he can adjust to his players' talents, but these coaches rarely do that.

His offense isn't set up for a marquee every down back. The QB pounds the rock.

If Franks ends up with more rushing attempts than any of the RBs again, we're hurting.

I think quite a few of Franks rushes have been scrambles however. I wonder how many the last 2 games were actual planned rushing plays.
 

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I’ll be very surprised if he isn’t the next great Gator running back.
I guess I just find it hard to believe that with our offense struggling this badly that he wouldn't be playing a lot more if he was an obvious future NFL HOF running back. I know he's young and has things to learn, but come on. The coaches aren't seeing what you are at this point, unless they are complete idiots - and they get to see him in practice every day.
 

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cover2 has been ringing the bells for Pierce way before anyone else on this board as i recall.

I attended nearly every home game that the 3 greatest RBs and the 2 greatest QBs UF ever had played in. Emmitt is my all time favorite Gator great.

With the exception of Smith, and maybe Rhett, those guys spent their freshman seasons in largely supporting roles, yet still managed to impact games in big ways. And you could tell when they all were freshmen that bigger things were coming. In the case of Smith and Rhett, they were on less talented squads as freshmen that sorely needed their contributions.

Perine and Scarlett are deeper into the playbook than Pierce, they are good RBs, and they are older, so he is in the same place other greats started from. Nevertheless, his teammates say he is a great learner and picking things up like a sponge. And, like Tim, he's considered one of the strongest players on the team. And like Smith and 1992 Eric Rhett, he is on a team with a little less talent across the board than other Gator squads.

We need a spark.

Pierce has it.

A lot of his HS stats parallel Smith's. Both rushed for over 2000 yds in a season twice. Smith averaged 7.8 ypc, Pierce averaged 7.2 ypc. Both fumbled six times in HS. Smith scored 106 TDs, Pierce 95. Smith played in 49 games, Pierce in 46. Smith averaged 2.16 TDs a game, Pierce 2.06.

Smith had 8804 yds on 1144 rushing attempts, Pierce had 6779 on 942 rushing attempts. If you give Pierce the extra 202 carries Smith got in HS at Pierce's 7.2 ypc avg, and also add in the 571 yds Pierce got receiving in HS, his totals from scrimmage come out to, I kid you not, 8804 yards. 8804.4 to be precise.

If Dan can find a way in his offense to exploit Pierce's mix of measureables and intangibles, Pierce can be a great one. Sadly, I'm not convinced this offense is built for a showcase RB. It's built for a showcase QB.
Two greatest QBs? Spurrier and who? Tebow or Weurffel?
 

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I'm gonna let him at least earn a starting spot before I annoint him the second coming of the best RB we ever had. But hey, y'all do y'all.

Not to get in the way of your disparaging all things Gator let me point out my post you find so absurd says: “ I think maybe......”

Not “he has” or “he will” or anything else absolute.

But yes I do strongly believe sooner or later he is going to get the call and have a breakout game.

Good to have you around to make sure we never get too excited as fans about anything or anyone. Your misery balances our excitement.

And I must concede to your point. All we really know at this point is Pierce is a 4th string back who has not earned the confidence of his coach or fan base but has been ok on special teams. Until he proves otherwise that’s all he’ll ever be. Thanks for keeping us grounded.
 

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I guess I just find it hard to believe that with our offense struggling this badly that he wouldn't be playing a lot more if he was an obvious future NFL HOF running back. I know he's young and has things to learn, but come on. The coaches aren't seeing what you are at this point, unless they are complete idiots - and they get to see him in practice every day.

The other guy read way too much into my post. I simply said “I think maybe” he is headed for a breakout game as Emmitt had.

Remember Emmitt did not start the first 2 games of his freshman year. He got limited carries and made the most of them. Did it mean the coaches didn’t see his potential? They saw him every day in practice also. Or could it be as a freshman they were bringing him in slowly? Maybe he was still learning the playbook and blocking assignments. But then he got his chance and had a breakout game.

I see that potential in Pierce. Will he be better than the all time leading rusher in Gator and NFL history? Very doubtful. Also very doubtful that our coaches see him as “an obvious future NFL Hall of Famer”

I’m real excited about this kid. Some see him as a 4th string back that may never crack the lineup and is undeserving of such pumperism. Truth is probably somewhere in between the two.
 

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I guess I just find it hard to believe that with our offense struggling this badly that he wouldn't be playing a lot more if he was an obvious future NFL HOF running back. I know he's young and has things to learn, but come on. The coaches aren't seeing what you are at this point, unless they are complete idiots - and they get to see him in practice every day.

Just some guesses on that. This offense has a decent amount of moving parts for the RBs, so maybe if it were as simple as handing him the football in a down-hill more traditional offense, he'd see the field more. But anything option related can get blown up with one missed assignment. He also may still not be acclimated to hanging onto the ball when getting hit at this level. Could be coughing it up in practice. Again, just speculation, and I've actually missed most of his big plays. But I do think he probably has the highest ceiling, especially with Davis' tendency to get hurt. It's early. Harvin had 7 touches through 3 games in his rookie season.
 

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The other guy read way too much into my post. I simply said “I think maybe” he is headed for a breakout game as Emmitt had.

Remember Emmitt did not start the first 2 games of his freshman year. He got limited carries and made the most of them. Did it mean the coaches didn’t see his potential? They saw him every day in practice also. Or could it be as a freshman they were bringing him in slowly? Maybe he was still learning the playbook and blocking assignments. But then he got his chance and had a breakout game.

I see that potential in Pierce. Will he be better than the all time leading rusher in Gator and NFL history? Very doubtful. Also very doubtful that our coaches see him as “an obvious future NFL Hall of Famer”

I’m real excited about this kid. Some see him as a 4th string back that may never crack the lineup and is undeserving of such pumperism. Truth is probably somewhere in between the two.

Do you think Pierce is going to have good numbers against LSU and Georgia etc. if he starts getting quite a few carries?
 

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Do you think Pierce is going to have good numbers against LSU and Georgia etc. if he starts getting quite a few carries?

Hard to say given the our OL v. their DL comparison. I would say he would give us the best opportunity on the ground. I think the more he plays the better he will get. I absolutely believe he is the type of back who gets better within a game with more carries.
 

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Do you think Pierce is going to have good numbers against LSU and Georgia etc. if he starts getting quite a few carries?

His success, or any RB's success, vs the stronger teams may have more to do with our OL's ability or lack thereof.

It'd be nice if he could serve as a great equalizer in that regard.

The 9th ranked all time RB from the state of Georgia definitely has the potential to do it. But, with the nature of the offense, a bad OL and upperclassmen ahead of him, we may have to wait and see.
 

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Hard to say given the our OL v. their DL comparison. I would say he would give us the best opportunity on the ground. I think the more he plays the better he will get. I absolutely believe he is the type of back who gets better within a game with more carries.

Its hard to say until they actually do it against good competition I guess. I have seen a ton of superstars on teams before they actually became the starter however. With Davis out maybe we will see him get some quality time against decent teams to see what he does.
 

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His success, or any RB's success, vs the stronger teams may have more to do with our OL's ability or lack thereof.

It'd be nice if he could serve as a great equalizer in that regard.

The 9th ranked all time RB from the state of Georgia definitely has the potential to do it. But, with the nature of the offense, a bad OL and upperclassmen ahead of him, we may have to wait and see.

Responding to another post I went and looked at the offensive plays in the KY and Colorado State games and Franks had 11 actual QB run option rushes in those 2 games giving a 5.5 avg. The other 7 carries in those 2 games were scrambles. sacks and a fumble. So that tells me Mullen is really limiting Franks carries compared to what a standard QB in his system does. Fitzgerald got way more QB option rushes in games last season.
 

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Let this be a lesson to you all that this organization will not tolerate optimism.
There's a difference in saying "I think Pierce is going to be a good RB for us" and "I think Pierce is going to be the next Emmitt Smith".

That goes beyond optimism.
 

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