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Joseph’s Ejection
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Ancient Reptile
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Good post. Can someone post the clip that shows how Marco incurred his season ending injury?
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Ha! So I'm a snowflake now. 
I love a nasty defense. I just dislike Grantham.
When Dan Quinn was our D-coordinator our guys played aggressive and nasty and yet they had a good example of what a man and coach is like.
I love a nasty defense. I just dislike Grantham.
When Dan Quinn was our D-coordinator our guys played aggressive and nasty and yet they had a good example of what a man and coach is like.
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Disagree.
Someone posted a different video camera angle that showed the vandy player grabbing VJ by the collar or shoulder pad, pulling him down (off balance) as they went to the ground. Really hard to say VJ was attempting a WWE move.
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I agree with you - but I think the ref enforced the rule correctly. Sucked.
I would rather that the team PF only apply to individuals who commit another AFTER the team is warned.
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You mean when we poke eyes out?Ha! So I'm a snowflake now.
I love a nasty defense. I just dislike Grantham.
When Dan Quinn was our D-coordinator our guys played aggressive and nasty and yet they had a good example of what a man and coach is like.
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He was just trying to get him on the ground.
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That's your takeaway from the one year he was our DC? And are you privy to how that was handled?
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That's the widely known example.
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The officiating this year SUCKS.
UK game was appalling. Clearly made field goal not called correctly because the Refs were out of position.
Questionable Targeting Calls.
Players ejected for a Team Personal Foul…Started by the opposing HC.
Clearly not calling holding calls by the opposing OL.
UK game was appalling. Clearly made field goal not called correctly because the Refs were out of position.
Questionable Targeting Calls.
Players ejected for a Team Personal Foul…Started by the opposing HC.
Clearly not calling holding calls by the opposing OL.
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After reading this thread, my opinions are pretty much as follows:
1) The targeting call, though it sucked, was legitimate largely because targeting as written means guys are going to get tossed for making solid plays which aren't dirty in any way due to such factors as height differences, muscle reflexes in real time, etc. The recent targeting call on the muffed punt is a perfect example because any defender would make that move when they see the ball on the ground and there is no way to go for the ball in that situation without helmet contact.
2) Grantham is definitely capable of being a massive jerk (see UGA clip above) and having him on your staff comes with some baggage. To me he is kind of the Dennis Rodman of defensive coordinators meaning he can be a significant and unnecessary distraction from time to time, he'll breed outright hatred from other teams with his ongoing antics, and you'll be super glad to have him on your team anyway because, despite all the baggage, he still gets the job done in a huge way.
3) Joseph's first unsportsmanlike penalty was totally justified because the play was being blown dead and he made an unnecessary effort to slam the guy to the turf right in front of the ref. It was an impressive move, but it was a dumb play in the heat of the moment because that'll be called 100% of the time especially in these days of player safety.
4) The SEC's unsportsmanlike penalty rule for entire teams is ridiculous! The potential immense impact this call can have on an emotional game where several players have been assessed is mind blowing. It also gives the refs way to much power to create a potential forfeit for one or both teams resulting in a complete game cancellation if they get too sensitive about the emotions boiling over in an SEC game (of course that never happens...
). I believe this rule will likely be amended this off-season after the warning the UF/Vandy game may have sent regarding the catastrophic possibilities of two unsportsmanlike penalties being issued against a team. Can you imagine what would happen if this came up a couple of times in the LSU/Bama game? How would they deal with it if both those teams were disqualified in the middle of a tied game in terms of figuring out the playoffs?
5) Joseph's ejection was totally bogus because it was a lazy call to assess the whole team when it was very clear from the pictures posted that he did everything right in staying on the sideline and out of the fray to insure no one could assess him with a 2nd penalty. No wonder he lost it after being ejected!! To show that level of maturity in the heat of the battle when Vandy's coach was past midfield and actively challenging our staff and team should be lauded not penalized. The refs in this game were some of the worst I've seen and, in the SEC, that is saying a lot! I will be very interested to see how this plays out this week because these refs lost complete control of this game and handled the situation as badly as possible. Thankfully they also motivated our team showing once again how far this team has come in dealing with adversity!
1) The targeting call, though it sucked, was legitimate largely because targeting as written means guys are going to get tossed for making solid plays which aren't dirty in any way due to such factors as height differences, muscle reflexes in real time, etc. The recent targeting call on the muffed punt is a perfect example because any defender would make that move when they see the ball on the ground and there is no way to go for the ball in that situation without helmet contact.
2) Grantham is definitely capable of being a massive jerk (see UGA clip above) and having him on your staff comes with some baggage. To me he is kind of the Dennis Rodman of defensive coordinators meaning he can be a significant and unnecessary distraction from time to time, he'll breed outright hatred from other teams with his ongoing antics, and you'll be super glad to have him on your team anyway because, despite all the baggage, he still gets the job done in a huge way.
3) Joseph's first unsportsmanlike penalty was totally justified because the play was being blown dead and he made an unnecessary effort to slam the guy to the turf right in front of the ref. It was an impressive move, but it was a dumb play in the heat of the moment because that'll be called 100% of the time especially in these days of player safety.
4) The SEC's unsportsmanlike penalty rule for entire teams is ridiculous! The potential immense impact this call can have on an emotional game where several players have been assessed is mind blowing. It also gives the refs way to much power to create a potential forfeit for one or both teams resulting in a complete game cancellation if they get too sensitive about the emotions boiling over in an SEC game (of course that never happens...
). I believe this rule will likely be amended this off-season after the warning the UF/Vandy game may have sent regarding the catastrophic possibilities of two unsportsmanlike penalties being issued against a team. Can you imagine what would happen if this came up a couple of times in the LSU/Bama game? How would they deal with it if both those teams were disqualified in the middle of a tied game in terms of figuring out the playoffs?5) Joseph's ejection was totally bogus because it was a lazy call to assess the whole team when it was very clear from the pictures posted that he did everything right in staying on the sideline and out of the fray to insure no one could assess him with a 2nd penalty. No wonder he lost it after being ejected!! To show that level of maturity in the heat of the battle when Vandy's coach was past midfield and actively challenging our staff and team should be lauded not penalized. The refs in this game were some of the worst I've seen and, in the SEC, that is saying a lot! I will be very interested to see how this plays out this week because these refs lost complete control of this game and handled the situation as badly as possible. Thankfully they also motivated our team showing once again how far this team has come in dealing with adversity!
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So, you must’ve missed my comments.
A different angle (and zoomed in) showed the vandy RB pulled VJ down with him by the shoulder pads. I understand why he got flagged because it looked bad, but VJ was pulled off balance and doesn’t appear to be slamming the RB.
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Its only natural to hold onto something when you are being lifted off the ground. Or did the Vandy RB lift himself 5 feet up in the air after the whistle?
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As I recall, about 4 other defenders had their hands on the RB along with VJ. He was still fighting for yards and I guess it’s harder to do that when lifted off the ground by multiple defenders.
When I first saw what happened, I yelled at the TV, “what are you thinking??!!” It was the different angle and closer view that made me rethink my reaction.
GatorTom85
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I am not really surprised by that. It often doesn't look the same in replay as it did in real time. The fact is, however, the whistle had clearly blown and the level of "finishing the play" action, no matter how severe in actuality, was unnecessary and avoidable. The running back was definitely lifted up and put down with some authority and anytime that happens there is a risk of a flag and anyone involved has the potential for being the recipient of said flag.
Truth be told, at that juncture of the game I feel pretty certain the level of post whistle activity was mostly due to the defense's frustration with how things had been going up to that point. I also think the penalty, no matter how marginal, wasn't all that out of the ordinary in a heated football game at any level. The only reason we even care enough to have a debate about it at this point is because of the asinine team unsportsmanlike penalty that resulted in Joseph's entirely unfair and bogus ejection when he clearly did everything right in order to avoid being implicated. I am therefore way more impressed by the presence of mind and leadership he displayed in trying to stay out of trouble during the team confrontation than I am disturbed in any way by the penalty that made it necessary.
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