Franks thinks taunting own fans is the way to win them back

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I guess what I'm fishing for, is there any way that this is not a negative for our rebuild. These kids can do all the things you listed and not get booed at home games at 95% of the schools out there.
Also should we let the last 10 years change who we are as a fanbase? I should think not. Essentially 3 to 5 thousand fans booed him loudly 60 thousand didn't at all, we b!tched and moaned among ourselves. I just hate to see that segment of the fanbase be impowered by the media or any other form of social media and fear what it may turn into.
It probably bothers some players, others not. In Franks' case, I think he actually thrives off it. He uses it as a motivational tool. I've never seen him play as physical as he did last week.
 

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When I was with the media a thousand years ago, the deciding line on privacy was whether the person in question was a public figure.

This one isn't a privacy question, but I think it's similar enough. The starting quarterback for Florida is a public figure. That means he can be subject to public displays of scrutinity, which include booing as well as cheering.

Personally, I don't boo college athletes,. I just criticize the hell out of them.
In fairness, when you were with the media, it was delivered by Pony Express.
 

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My own 2cents are this: after the game, Gator Nation SHOULD have been talking about the team getting the win and Franks having one of his better games as a Gator QB. He ran the ball with purpose and determination--arguably his most effective day rushing as a Gator--and didn't turn the ball over while making enough throws to keep the ball moving.

A most sensible assessment, gatorev12. We'd appreciate more posts from you.

BOOM, exactly. I WANT to like Franks, but he keeps making it awfully hard - unnecessarily in this case.

Yep, Franks reacted over his feelings being hurt. Fans cheering is probably the "grass rooting" that leads kids into passionately pursuing the sport in the first place.

Not true. No Alabama fan has ever booed, they are above that.

Any Bama fan booing Bama is unheard of because after they get out of the hospital, they go into the witness protection program.
 

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Interesting aside: Tua, who is being showered with praise, took 21 throws to get 164 yds with one TD and one INT. Franks, who is being skewered by UF fans, got 160 on just 17 throws with one TD, two rushing TDs. Too bad he didn't throw downfield or have Bama fans to root for him. But I get it, booing affects our players and team, but is (miraculously) ignored by recruits who also don't pick up from the players that they are angry. Somebody look up Franks vs MSU.

Let's be honest - Tua's path to where he is in his short career is infinitely different than Franks' entire journey at the position so a stats comparison from last game is hardly indicative of where they stand relative to each other or their respective fan bases. Ultimately the success factors for a QB boil down to who can make the most positive plays when they matter most including being able to hit those few critical throws that can change the game at critical times. Tua consistently makes those plays and hits most every one of those throws when needed. Franks clearly is inconsistent with making those plays and is extremely shaky hitting those crucial throws. The opening flea flicker against UGA is a microcosm of this principal. Tua almost assuredly hits that throw starting the inevitable Bama route. Franks not only badly misses the throw but, as a result, also opens the door for the entire complexion of the game to be changed due to Scarlett's fumble shortly thereafter that led to a fumble followed by the horrible interception he threw due to a bad read bypassing two open receivers and a really poor throw to the one that was covered. The rest of the game we were basically in catch up mode even after briefly taking the lead at the start of the third.

Bottom line with Franks, is that his potential to help us is far outweighed by his potential for hurting us and Mullen is therefore forced to game plan around him rather than through him.

I think Mullen gave Franks this year to determine if he could pull it all together to lead this team long term and at this point I think he has proven that this will not be the case. A person's ability to focus in and consistently raise their game when the stakes are high requires a certain perspective that is based more on un-coachable psychological characteristics than anything else. After this much time, consistency in hitting wide open targets when the adrenaline is at its highest typically doesn't get a lot better if it hasn't already. Therefore I think Franks' days are numbered and EJ will start sharing the helm by FSU. Hopefully EJ has the 'clutch gene' but there is really no way of knowing for sure until he gets field time in meaningful games.

Thankfully Franks pulled it together (and Muschamp pulled a Muschamp) and we got the W with USCe setting the stage for the most telling part of this whole QB saga starting with how much EJ plays for Idaho. If he doesn't play at all in that game, then I fully believe that we'll see a lot of EJ for both FSU and the bowl game which will be a clear signal of the passing of the torch. If EJ does play for Idaho, then I think that'll be meant to send FSU a signal so they have to game plan for both QBs. In that case Mullen will likely be maximizing the impact of the final two games of EJ's availability toward winning a critical FSU game in recognition that a Bowl win is much less important than a win over FSU. It will therefore be more worth the risk of a total dependence on Franks in the Bowl game especially if Trask is also available by then. Either way, I think this last USCe game is the beginning of the end for Franks.

I really like these new redshirt rules! They really provide some interesting side stories for this time of year! :)
 

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I will admit after watching the replay last night Franks ran the ball with some determination I haven't seen before. Maybe the Booing lit a fire under his A$$. I still think it hurts more that it helps but if it makes him run with some authority at least something good comes out of it.
 

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I guess what I'm fishing for, is there any way that this is not a negative for our rebuild. These kids can do all the things you listed and not get booed at home games at 95% of the schools out there.
Also should we let the last 10 years change who we are as a fanbase? I should think not. Essentially 3 to 5 thousand fans booed him loudly 60 thousand didn't at all, we b!tched and moaned among ourselves. I just hate to see that segment of the fanbase be impowered by the media or any other form of social media and fear what it may turn into.


I was there. I booed the play calling. Nothing more. Not Franks. The play calling. Two piss poor play calls in a row will do that.

No one knows what folks were booing, unless you ask them.
 

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Let's be honest - Tua's path to where he is in his short career is infinitely different than Franks' entire journey at the position so a stats comparison from last game is hardly indicative of where they stand relative to each other or their respective fan bases. Ultimately the success factors for a QB boil down to who can make the most positive plays when they matter most including being able to hit those few critical throws that can change the game at critical times. Tua consistently makes those plays and hits most every one of those throws when needed. Franks clearly is inconsistent with making those plays and is extremely shaky hitting those crucial throws. The opening flea flicker against UGA is a microcosm of this principal. Tua almost assuredly hits that throw starting the inevitable Bama route. Franks not only badly misses the throw but, as a result, also opens the door for the entire complexion of the game to be changed due to Scarlett's fumble shortly thereafter that led to a fumble followed by the horrible interception he threw due to a bad read bypassing two open receivers and a really poor throw to the one that was covered. The rest of the game we were basically in catch up mode even after briefly taking the lead at the start of the third.

Bottom line with Franks, is that his potential to help us is far outweighed by his potential for hurting us and Mullen is therefore forced to game plan around him rather than through him.

I think Mullen gave Franks this year to determine if he could pull it all together to lead this team long term and at this point I think he has proven that this will not be the case. A person's ability to focus in and consistently raise their game when the stakes are high requires a certain perspective that is based more on un-coachable psychological characteristics than anything else. After this much time, consistency in hitting wide open targets when the adrenaline is at its highest typically doesn't get a lot better if it hasn't already. Therefore I think Franks' days are numbered and EJ will start sharing the helm by FSU. Hopefully EJ has the 'clutch gene' but there is really no way of knowing for sure until he gets field time in meaningful games.

Thankfully Franks pulled it together (and Muschamp pulled a Muschamp) and we got the W with USCe setting the stage for the most telling part of this whole QB saga starting with how much EJ plays for Idaho. If he doesn't play at all in that game, then I fully believe that we'll see a lot of EJ for both FSU and the bowl game which will be a clear signal of the passing of the torch. If EJ does play for Idaho, then I think that'll be meant to send FSU a signal so they have to game plan for both QBs. In that case Mullen will likely be maximizing the impact of the final two games of EJ's availability toward winning a critical FSU game in recognition that a Bowl win is much less important than a win over FSU. It will therefore be more worth the risk of a total dependence on Franks in the Bowl game especially if Trask is also available by then. Either way, I think this last USCe game is the beginning of the end for Franks.

I really like these new redshirt rules! They really provide some interesting side stories for this time of year! :)
Nice post. I agree with a lot of your points (body of work, etc.), but I disagree with your conclusion. You think that USCe was the beginning of the end; I simply think that it's truly his beginning. Just re-watched the game and picked up a point not mentioned. With things testy at the game's end, it was Franks who separated our players and prevented any suspensions, etc. Is he still imature? Yes. But he is growing and he also showed leadership. That and Perine's shushing indicate that it's Franks's team. Also, I think much of the board is in love with the second string QB. Idaho will teach us more.
 

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I was there. I booed the play calling. Nothing more. Not Franks. The play calling. Two piss poor play calls in a row will do that.

No one knows what folks were booing, unless you ask them.

Well the mediots are correct that the player don't know the fans are not booing them, but equally true is that hushed stadium after bad play call after bad play call is to me equally expressing dissatisfaction as booing and players know that too.
 

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If you opine that while at a game it's okay to boo the coaches but not players, please thoroughly explain to me how to distinguish to whom the booing is directed.

Provide audio clips if necessary.

Easy to distinguish:

BOO is for coaches.

boo is for players.

boo is for Brandon James.
 

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As to Franks? Regardless of Franks' mental limitation, he remains a body of miraculous operations. There is still the likelihood his mechanics will become better under his control - the control of his biofeedback processes. So by next year, we should see Franks mastering his "passing touch" to become an accurate downfield thrower.

Right now, Franks is our #1 best QB, UF's best QB at firing it in there before the enemy DB can react, #1 best QB at firing the longest completions, #1 best QB at quick kicking or fake kicking, #1 best QB at throwing on the scramble-panic, etc. If EJ or anyone can outdo those skills, then that QB becomes my favorite UF QB.

I think the slap impact of fan-boos have activated the right stuff inside Franks; thus he's changing. He's evaluating himself from the asspectacle of his failings - he no longer sees himself as God's gift to the Gators. It still remains for Franks to generate his team-concept - like accompanying his Gator RB downfield to smash-block anybody trying to lay hands on his RB. That brings a new composite pride (seems Franks has to have concepts bashed into his brains). With the remaining games, Franks will become a viable runner. This UF backfield will grow more & more awesome.

Watch how Scarlett, Perrine, Pierce pound "smash-mouth" gains on opponents. Parallel with this, we have our offense weaving in Toney's breakaways and Franks power + slicing runs that startle the defense. We're developing. (next year, add Malik Davis to the yard churners, plus any rookie kids added).

Does anyone believe our DL-boys are gonna lollygag around while the offense grows? I have faith in the growth of Gator pride in stalwart pass rushes, TFLs, goaline stands, etc. Next year with its returning DBs, the UF defensive backfield will be one of the fiercest in CFB. Also we have a top punter, top FG kicker.

We have the Now-Gators to thoroughly enjoy and a fast rising high caliber team coming next year.
 

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As to Franks? Regardless of Franks' mental limitation, he remains a body of miraculous operations. There is still the likelihood his mechanics will become better under his control - the control of his biofeedback processes. So by next year, we should see Franks mastering his "passing touch" to become an accurate downfield thrower.

Right now, Franks is our #1 best QB, UF's best QB at firing it in there before the enemy DB can react, #1 best QB at firing the longest completions, #1 best QB at quick kicking or fake kicking, #1 best QB at throwing on the scramble-panic, etc. If EJ or anyone can outdo those skills, then that QB becomes my favorite UF QB.

I think the slap impact of fan-boos have activated the right stuff inside Franks; thus he's changing. He's evaluating himself from the asspectacle of his failings - he no longer sees himself as God's gift to the Gators. It still remains for Franks to generate his team-concept - like accompanying his Gator RB downfield to smash-block anybody trying to lay hands on his RB. That brings a new composite pride (seems Franks has to have concepts bashed into his brains). With the remaining games, Franks will become a viable runner. This UF backfield will grow more & more awesome.

Watch how Scarlett, Perrine, Pierce pound "smash-mouth" gains on opponents. Parallel with this, we have our offense weaving in Toney's breakaways and Franks power + slicing runs that startle the defense. We're developing. (next year, add Malik Davis to the yard churners, plus any rookie kids added).

Does anyone believe our DL-boys are gonna lollygag around while the offense grows? I have faith in the growth of Gator pride in stalwart pass rushes, TFLs, goaline stands, etc. Next year with its returning DBs, the UF defensive backfield will be one of the fiercest in CFB. Also we have a top punter, top FG kicker.

We have the Now-Gators to thoroughly enjoy and a fast rising high caliber team coming next year.
Nice to know someone else likes smash mouth football and sees the potential for growth.
 

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I do not remember Leak as being "elite". I remember him as being too short, too slow, too scared, and too sexy.
He was the nations #1 QB, multiple all-sec QB beginning as a freshman, and the alltime leading passer despite having 3 OCs in 4 years, one who called only bubble screens (worked w Randy Moss in 1AA) and one who called 80% options and 20% screens.

I guess Wuerrfel wasnt elite either since he wasnt fast and good at running the option.

The too short one is hilarious. Wuerrfel and Leak were both around 6'0". That bullshyt that became internet old wives tale/GSMB troof about QBs having to be 6'5" is hilarious. We've had a string of 6'5" none of whom could have been 4th string on the 95 team.

Yeah, all it takes to be a QB is being 6'5" and all it takes to be a great Gators HBC is to have some head coaching experience elsewhere. So fvkking stupid.

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