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  1. GatorJ

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    I'll call it now. We're going to get NONE of the coaches that we've been discussing.
     
  2. Alagator

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    That's deserving of a 3-day-vacay... AND loss of all thread starting priveledges for one full year.
     
  3. MidwestChomp

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  4. cover2

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    Thanks 65. This may get a little long, so I'll apologize beforehand. I'll share that my initial encouragement regarding Mac, what he has accomplished, and what he is doing to re-build parts of the program has diminished. I've mentioned before that a colleague at work who is a Bama alum and letterman congratulated me when Mac was hired, saying that there was some feeling among the Tide faithful that Mac was liked as an OC and many thought he might be the heir-apparent to Saban. Since that time, that conversation has not been positively revisited and no doubt the two beat-downs in the SECCG at the hands of Bama has been influential. Even though I believe we competed some better this year (compared to last) despite roster limitations, we are not close to being able to compete with the top team in the SEC at this time and I believe that goes beyond the roster to include some of the coaching that is there to see.

    When I see us consistently making fundamental and technical mistakes (e.g. DE's losing contain on pass rush situations, OL failing to get to the POA, lock up and make blocks on G Scheme plays, TE's not sustaining blocks, wrong routes/reads by QB and receivers, missed tackles mainly due to failure to break down after pursuit and play at a lower pad level, etc.), not to mention head-scratching play calls at crucial times (too many to name), mediocre to poor Special Teams performance and execution (e.g. punts fielded inside the 5 yard line), and being caught in zone coverage and subsequently burned by play-action, the problems are not limited to the players. To those who keep saying "Mac needs time," I say that he was (and should have known that he was) behind the clock when he was hired. That may seem unfair, but I don't think many outside the AD's office felt that he was coming in with the luxury of developing a 5-year plan (or longer) to get us back to where we once were from a SEC and national competitive standpoint. Defense has been and thankfully continues to be a strength, but we were promised an effective offense to work hand-in-hand and it has not happened.

    To date, the consecutive SECED crowns have been the high water mark and as many point out, they are necessary to get into a position to compete for and win the conference outright. I appreciate that we have made this step, but thus far, we have gotten on the porch, so to speak, only to have the door slammed in our face. Thus, we are currently the best of a declining Eastern Division, but others among us are giving indications that we might not hold that title for long if you put any stock in the value of recruiting and the numbers of elite players (read as able to make an impact, not just fill a position, in 1-2 years) that are committed. It is hard for me to be impressed with what I see from Mac in this area. While I do think we get some good players, most need time to grow and develop before effectively and consistently competing in the SEC and although I have no data to back this assertion up, I can't help but believe that our reliance on players who likely have the heart but not the requisite developed physical skills or attributes is a factor in an injury list that is comparable to a M*A*S*H unit patient roster. I am also hard-pressed to believe that he and the staff are utilizing all available resources when it appears that we are making a mad dash to flip recruits and/or get started on "Plan B" players at this late date. I may be wrong (and hope I am), but this approach reeks of either sloth, arrogance (belief, perhaps, that the program sells itself or that our two seasons under Mac are that impressive), lack of an effective plan and organization carried out by a staff that can get it done right, or a combination thereof.

    I initially enjoyed some of Mac's witticisms, but they grew quite tiresome, cliche, and stale for me, especially when we collapsed at the end of his first season. His pressers became (and continue to be) mostly BS sessions that provide little information outside of coachspeak ("yeah, we need to fix that," etc.), or at least that is my perception. I see little sense of urgency in his public demeanor and I can't help but believe that has an impact on what others looking to invest in the program as well as those who we compete with see, assess, and in the case of the latter, use against us. To his credit, and I've said this in other posts, I think he does care for his players and wants the best for them, but I question the accountability he requires of them and, perhaps, his staff considering how much of the same negative things that we see over and over again. Either Mac is too tender-hearted or he lacks the killer instinct and drive necessary to elevate us to a higher competitive level in my honest opinion. In the world of big boy college football, you either eat the bear or he eats you and right now I believe Mac is chewed-up to about his waist. You probably won't see a lot of rival coaches bashing Mac, and there's a reason for that. In coaching, everybody likes you if they can or are beating you. Even if he were a high school coach and I was looking for a job, I would not care to join him based on his body of work these last two years and what my eyes tell me. I can't help but think he hit the lottery when he was hired and is too complacent and no assistant worth their salt will want to become a part of that unless it is a stop gap.

    I could probably go on, but I've been longer than most will want to read as it is. I'll conclude by repeating the required "hope I'm wrong," but barring what happens on NSD, I've seen little to convince me that there will be a 180 degree turn as quickly as I hoped for.
     
  5. GatorBart

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    You picked Iowa to curb stomp us too, right? How'd that recipe turn out?
    Here's a couple of your quotes leading up to the game:

    Like Ar Kansas, this is a bad matchup for us even when we were healthy because we are soft and undersized up the middle.
    Another blowout is likely.

    You guys are geniuses - I should listen to you more! :lol:
     
  6. Captain Sasquatch

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    You don't know that to be the case. FIU might be hiring next offseason.
     
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    Some of our fanbase (mostly the sub 30 group) has already been infected with mediocrity as is this young fellow on twitter. They know nothing of the SOS years except what they heard, maybe went to a few games with Dad as a kid, fell asleep on his knee late 3rd quarter of the 97 FSU game ( don't know how they slept but kids can sleep through anything). There actual awareness of UF football probably kicked in with the Tebow years which were good years no doubt, but in reality, nothing to compare to the years when SOS was kicking SEC ass all over the confederate states of America.

    My age group (45+) remembers a different time, the sort of time the Bama fans are experiencing now. We didn't load up the NC trophies but we flat DOMINATED this conference. We know what great coaching and great offense looks like and we aren't getting it right now IMO. Now if Mac pulls a rabbit out of a hat the next few years........GREAT! But here's a reality check for you pumpers. FSU is wearing our ass out in the state recruiting as is Bama, OSU and in some cases UGA. Why? We aren't even competing.......it's not even close. I don't think our offense is going to be much better next year and our D will likely not be as good as this year. We are lucky that we didn't lose to UT 2 years in a row and fortunate they had a brutal road schedule this year. If they come to G-ville and beat us and we lose to UGA next year are you pumpers still going to be optimistic. GatorBart says the bigger issue is the future of the program, not next years record. The future of the program begins next year and it's the same as the last 2 years. Whats the definition of insanity again??
     
  8. deuce

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    I really am proud to be a Florida Gator Pumper!
    I give no ****s to what the negators call me.

    Even though they have made good observations in the past, they have painted themselves into a corner and now just chant the same tired liturgy over and over and over,,,,, They have taken on the trappings of a Religion that demands observance or they will punish you for heresy...

    The negators remind me of Indians praying to the rain gods, their whooping and hollering makes no difference at all but they get satisfaction from the effort.

    Even with all of Mac's perceived problems he is still winning enough to keep the dogs at bay and that big buy-out is a problem because of the money being spent on facility upgrades.

    Contrary to some here, I think 2018 is the Contract year for Mac.

    Until then, this public display of flagellation will just get worse and worse.

    Stay thirsty my friends....
     
  9. Slevin

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    Enjoy the Florida weather the next 11 months Mac it'll be your last you bum
     
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  11. EuroGator

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    Yeah, we've been over this. All you do is predict negatively. ...then when one of them comes true, you call "Genius! See, I told you morons!" Show us a time when you predicted something positive, especially against the grain. Then you'll get some credit for your prognosticating. Otherwise you're just a broken clock pointing out your daily double.
     
  12. MidwestChomp

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    Getting our hopes up again?
    Why I oughtta............
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  14. chferg

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    I get it; however, the issue is that Mac's lack of urgency when we are down 1-2 recruiters heading out of the dead period is worrying. Even if Locks fell through, why didn't Mac have other names ready to go? What is he waiting for?

    This all falls on Mac whether you want to admit it or not. Had he compiled a better staff to begin with, none of this would be an issue. Now we are trying to play catch up in recruiting and we don't even have the full staff allotment out there doing it.

    In the business world, this lack of urgency and complacency with the mediocre results would get you fired.
     
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    I'm starting to think Mac still works for saban. [emoji848]
     
  16. NavetG8r

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  17. BNAG8R

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    You've got this one wrong Law. I've known jdh for years (your "intern or parrot" guess is about as off as you could be), and when it comes to Gator football I've seen over the years that he is right way more often than he's wrong. He can be (and has been) as miserable as you, and I challenge you to find anyone who hates the leghumpers more than him. He is really good at taking emotion out of the equation, and looks at the facts. Sometimes history shows he draws wrong conclusions, but like I've said...he's right way more often than he's wrong. You be you, but I think this board gets better with him around.

    jdh, you're mostly right about Swamp Donkey/Law...except that while he's horribly negative about nearly everything, he has moments of sunshine that make you think that maybe...just maybe...there IS a heart in there somewhere.

    And then he will kick a puppy.

    He's also right more often than he's wrong...just in a really caustic way. But I've come to recognize that while he's a tremendous turd, he is OUR tremendous turd and is as passionate about Gator football as anyone, and we share in the passion to see Gator football great again.

    2 cents.
     
  18. GatorBart

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    I get all the negativity regarding bad news about missed coaching hires, recruiting fails and all (I've been following along pretty closely the past few days and I'm just SMH at the failures) but I just don't get why people think next year's gonna be a dumpster fire. Sure, we're losing a lot on D, but we also got quite a few young guys some valuable experience toward the end of the season and in the bowl game; and we now have Shannon at the helm, who runs a more aggressive D. So, maybe some drop off on D, but I don't think too drastic. The offense, while statistically IS a dumpster fire, brings back just about everyone (except Sharpe/Dillard/Fullwood), and the consensus is that those vacancies create automatic upgrades). All offensive positions should see an uptick and hopefully Mac chooses to start Frask in the opener. We have 7 home games, 2 neutrals, and our away games are KY, Mizzou and USCe. I have no reason to believe we're gonna lose to any of the teams we beat last year and UT is losing a lot of players as well.
    I guess I should get clarification on what y'all think is a dumpster fire season. Crete said 8-4 would be, but it would be good enough to keep Mac. 4-8 is obviously a dumpster fire and Mac would be gone for sure. I kind of agree with Crete - 8-4 is not good enough, but Mac would still be here for another year - then let the dumpster fire talk for season #4 begin. I just don't see it for season 3. Of course, I'm a glass half-full guy though. :bandit:
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    What it is right now is incomplete. We won't actually know what "it" is until NSD regarding the class, and possibly even new coaches (like Gray last year).

    I get that an idle period for news is the devil's playground for message boards, and to an extent no news is news itself which justifies some level of concern (which I share with many of you), but to me much of the hair pulling and teeth gnashing on here is over the top considering where we are in the process. Don't get me wrong, that's not to say those with really strong negative opinions in response to each tweet of non-news/seemingly bad news is a horrible fan, has no patience, has no knowledge or isn't a true gator. It's just sort of rote at this point and doesn't make much sense to respond to until we have actual news.
     
  20. t-gator

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    Lol clutchlikemj was a retard
     
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    That did NOT stop one mr. will muschamp from doing exactly that.

    Not only WAS he recruiting the same kids... He was actually NEGATIVE recruiting AGAINST us...

    All the while we were paying him millions to dollars... to actively bash our brand and steal recruits away from us...The mere thought of that makes me want to kick that bastard in the teeth...
     
  22. cover2

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    Don't want to horn in on your repartee, but I'll offer an opinion...time was, a significant pay raise and/or an elevated title would make a coach move and a lot of the time it might be a lateral move. But the place where money falls short is if you are trying to get a guy to leave a good, stable situation and go to one where it might be considered a dead-end, have them work for a HC that has a foot in the employment grave, has a bad reputation, or is not a match philosophically. All of this, I think, holds true today. There are a few opinions on Mac and I'm not 100% sure which is the most accurate, but I think I have a good idea. How successful he is in re-tooling the staff will reveal a lot more to us.
     
  23. Durty South Swamp

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    Did it ever occur to anyone that maybe money isn't actually the issue? I think the reason he has trouble getting quality assistants is the same reason he has trouble getting quality players. Mac's issue isn't money, its Mac. That's it.
     
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    I can't remember...was he the lead singer or did he play an instrument?
     
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  26. diehardg8r

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    So as long as we don't having losing seasons........it's all good? You loving the ass raping every year to FSU...........I hope so cause it's gonna continue.
     
  27. Swamp Donkey

    Swamp Donkey Thanks Fooley, for one last fvkk up!
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    Theres really never a time when I wont kick a (bulldwag) puppy.
     
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    Prove it.
    I'm not sticking up for any coach or anything here, I'm just saying you guys don't know anymore than anyone else - and you call us optimists delusional. :lol:
     
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    Are there facts that show UF isn't competitive in paying Asst Coaches? USAToday did a report on 2016 Assistant Coach compensation, and I put the top 10 in a spreadsheet. Looking only at guaranteed Salaries, UF is #10, BUT we're essentially tied at #6 with Tennessee ($15K more), Texas ($15K), Ohio State ($52K), and FSU ($55K). UGA is #5 and pays $144K more.

    When you look at Salaries plus Maximum Bonuses (which I'd argue is what really matters), UF is #7 and ahead of A&M ($374K less), FSU ($660K), and Tennessee ($1,400,000). Gonna try to post images here.

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    FYI, LSU's includes 11 coaches based on the firings, but I included a whopping $1,336,00 for Cam Cameron. Take that out and LSU looks less favorable.
     
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    No changes. No juice. No sense of urgency. No attempt to build upon an uplifting bowl victory. No clue. It's inevitable... next year will be another year down the toilet; a disastrous disappointment that should require us to have to start all over again with a new coach. Will that even happen? Doubtful, at this point. Mac and the new AD have done nothing to earn my faith or confidence that they are even interested in turning around our program. Unless there are many monumental surprises in store for Feb 1, we are in for another year of frustration. Will this nightmare ever end? Go Gators. Yay. :flush:
     
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    Thread title was a joke when it was created and the joke rolls on.
    :lol:
     
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    I don't think he was pumping...
    Man you are so quick to jump on anybody who shares a different opinion as yours and label them a "pumper!"

    There aren't two labels here ("pumpers" or "realists"), it's not that simple. Some may be ticked at where we are at but not yet completely given up hope in Mac (like me, though I'm getting there).
     
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    I sincerely hope the worst for the Bama program. I'm talking multiple violations and the death penalty -- literal death penalty.

    :lol:
     
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    Mac took the OL coaching job in Philly.
     
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    It is very possible that Saban recognizes the value of Locksley and with Kiffin leaving and Sark not doing a great job in the NC game... Saban could be negotiating against us to put Locksley in a direct position on his staff. Even if we offered to pay high $$ Bama could match. Also... from Locksley's perspective... being able to stay in the same coaching tree and work with the top talent in the country to build your resume might be a hard thing to pass up... especially if he is getting a co-OC position at Bama.

    Not everything is Mac's fault. This may or may not be, but we have to wait until it plays out to know for sure.

    Bottom line: I'm not going to jump to conclusions and drive myself crazy trying to guess or understanding something when I have no knowledge of the actual conversations or detail of the situation. Everything we say is a pure guess based on very limited information. I can't blame anybody when I don't know what happened.
     
  39. Durty South Swamp

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    This is my point. Why leave for a lateral, or even a promotion if you are going to a place full of turmoil and to work for a coach who isn't exactly a fan favorite unless you don't have many other options? Money is nice, but Ive been offered much bigger money than i currently was making to go somewhere where a lot of problems existed. I declined and it was a smart move. A year later the org was out of business and a lot of folks were looking for work.
     
  40. Slevin

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    We ain't getting anybody. Locks will take Cristobals spot on staff imho. **** you mac for dragging your feet. We owe no program and no coach ANY respect waiting on hiring ANYONE.
     

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