A Good Thing, or a Bad Thing?

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Hard to consider the guy a socialist... considering he made over $1,000,000 a year, lives in a presitgious gated community, and has use of a private jet for his business adventures. If he's a socialist at heart, he's a pretty bad one.

A socialist believes that anybody or anything that earns more money than anyone else, must be punished and have their money redistributed to others. In this case, football is the millionaire and women's sports are the poor. A socialist believes that it is their moral obligation to take from the rich and give to the poor with no concern for the impact on the rich person. This is exactly how Foley approached the athletic programs at UF.

In addition, just like a socialist, this policy does not apply to their personal wealth (or Foley's salary in this case) since their money is special and they deserve theirs.

The more I think about this the more I realize that the comparison is spot on.
 

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A socialist believes that anybody or anything that earns more money than anyone else, must be punished and have their money redistributed to others. In this case, football is the millionaire and women's sports are the poor. A socialist believes that it is their moral obligation to take from the rich and give to the poor with no concern for the impact on the rich person. This is exactly how Foley approached the athletic programs at UF.

In addition, just like a socialist, this policy does not apply to their personal wealth (or Foley's salary in this case) since their money is special and they deserve theirs.

The more I think about this the more I realize that the comparison is spot on.
You make a good argument.
 

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I'd say it's a good thing.

It either drives a change in Athletic Admin staffing (Foley crew out) if they can't deliver what's needed, or a change in UF's offering if they can deliver. If the third option occurs, which is a change in HBC position, then I would consider that a bad thing. Less as a matter of Mac is a whiny baby and quit, but more of a public statement that nobody will succeed at that position.

As to the later expansion of 'Mac is never satisfied', that is likely a reflection of his personality or him trying to emulate Saban. Either way, I'm fine with a HBC that is never satisfied. Once satisfied, one becomes complacent. As evidenced by the voices on this forum alone, we are nowhere near a place to become complacent - we need a HBC that is always demanding more. Not just from the administration, but from his staff and players. Always.
 

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yup, back on topic before J shuts it down :lol:
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Mac is really rubbing people in Athletic Department the wrong way...To the point of, if not directly causing it, at least making it easier for them to resign. My question to you is, do you think that's a good thing or a bad thing???

Let me reply directly to your question this time:

1. I do not believe that anyone would resign mainly based on McElwain. So I am taking your question to be more is it a good or a bad thing that McEwain is rubbing people in the UAA wrong to the point that they will take shots at him when they are leaving.

2. So far we have only seen a private shot not a public shot at McElwain by someone leaving the UAA.

3. It is a good thing that McElwain forcefully pushes his agenda with the UAA.

4. It is a bad thing if McElwain can not push his agenda without rubbing people the wrong way.

5. Maybe the Foley culture in the UAA is to take shots at people going out the door like Foley did with the UF attorney?
 

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Let me reply directly to your question this time:

1. I do not believe that anyone would resign mainly based on McElwain. So I am taking your question to be more is it a good or a bad thing that McEwain is rubbing people in the UAA wrong to the point that they will take shots at him when they are leaving.

2. So far we have only seen a private shot not a public shot at McElwain by someone leaving the UAA.

3. It is a good thing that McElwain forcefully pushes his agenda with the UAA.

4. It is a bad thing if McElwain can not push his agenda without rubbing people the wrong way.

5. Maybe the Foley culture in the UAA is to take shots at people going out the door like Foley did with the UF attorney?

Like most athletic departments, they keep most things pretty hush, hush. For the most part, we only know what they want us to know...what they're willing to share. Naturally, this leads to us fans making all kinds of rampant speculations. On this very board, I have seen all kinds of statements and claims about Mac on any number of things. And everyone certainly has an opinion on his job performance.

So... I find it interesting to hear what a top level official has to say. And for my part, as a fan, I was actually glad to hear it. For years we've been complaining about not keeping up with the Jones’s. We’ve speculated that Mac has been pushing them for upgrades in all necessary facets. But frankly, I was glad to hear from an inside source that he was…If the athletic department won’t voluntarily do what is required he seems bound and determined to drag them kicking and screaming to where they need to be. We take a lot of shots at Mac. But I’m glad he’s being so forceful behind the scenes. I think this bodes well. Either it’ll help him be successful for long term success…. Or the next guy that comes after him will be in a much better situation.

And for the record, this guy wasn't taking a shot at Mac. It was a private conversation with someone who is very, very close to him. I debated if I was going to even post about it and sat on it for a week or so. But figured as long as it remained anonymous it couldn't hurt to further our discussion and understanding of what's going on behind the scenes.
 

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No, the athletic department isn't the dog. Football is the dog, basketball may be the tail.

The athletic department is a tick on the left gonad.
 

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I'd say it's a good thing.It either drives a change in Athletic Admin staffing (Foley crew out) if they can't deliver what's needed, or a change in UF's offering if they can deliver. If the third option occurs, which is a change in HBC position, then I would consider that a bad thing. Less as a matter of Mac is a whiny baby and quit, but more of a public statement that nobody will succeed at that position.
Even that could be a good thing. We have the chance at landing a championship coach AND put proper focus on the stupidity going on in the athletic department. If the AD doesn't clean out the swamp/septic tank, perhaps he is flushed also.

If we can't land a championship coach, at least we could land one who recruits well enough to build for the next guy.
 
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Good for him, keep fighting the good fight.

Wonder if this has anything to do with why Nuss and Nord are still employed? :dunno:

Let's say that somehow there is not money to get new coaches, if they were that bad a good leader would get rid of them. Fro Nuss the HBC can if he thinks it an improvement be the OC, and with Nord if he is a negative just get rid of him.

Now everyone has a budget, it can be increased if you make a good case for it being increased, not if you just whine, cry, stamp your feet, and make an annoying child out of yourself.
 

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Thanks, for replying. I ask about coaching salaries because we have sub standard coaches on staff and frankly those coaches should not be getting paid top dollar. I am concerned that Mac wants to hire great position coaches and coordinators and cannot pay top dollar.

Say this is actually true, I really doubt it but for discussion we think it correct. So you ask and make the case for it. If you don't get the money, you then ask to go directly to the Bull Gators and make the case. If you have a good case then I am quite sure one or the other would work. Our HBC likes his coaches, or he would fire them and do without them. Now facilities is quite different, they are complex and more expensive and have impacts outside the football program (see housing).
 

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I think Im going to put Vulcan on ignore.
 

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I fear the same is true. And we have plenty of circumstantial evidence that at least supports that theory. But I don't know it for a fact. The conversation I had with this person didn't specifically say that. When I asked about that specifically, the comment to me was he is NEVER satisfied with ANYTHING...That he is pushing them on every front.

Then the conversation transitioned into the facilities....

I am never totally satisfied with anything, everything can be improved. That said I am not a jerk about it, or at least not usually. Pushing is one thing being a hard ass is another. If you can't take some questions and desire to be better than perhaps it is good that you move on.
 

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Thanks, for replying. I ask about coaching salaries because we have sub standard coaches on staff and frankly those coaches should not be getting paid top dollar. I am concerned that Mac wants to hire great position coaches and coordinators and cannot pay top dollar.
I agree. You dont go to North Texas, FAU or FIU if you are looking for top coaches.
 

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Good stuff on this thread. IMO if the UAA is holding up the pocket book and holding Mac back from getting some top coaches that is some BS right there. And we've seen enough to know that the perception is just that. He can fuss all he wants to in that case because he's doing what he thinks is best and what he needs. Perhaps it is time that the UAA gets a little cleansing. UF has the ability to be a top notch place. But when you have people that have been sitting back in positions since the 90's they can get a little stale. Complacency will kill a program.
 

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