CEO giving tax cut to Shareholders-not raising wages

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  1. Gatoravatara

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    Here are donor reactions.

    The Bundler: Republican lobbyist Bill Miller from Austin, TX

    “I’m not saying they’ve cut them off for good, but they have cut them off temporarily,” Miller says. “This conversation has been repeated more than a few times, ‘Not going to give right now, Bill, I’m just mad. Nah, not going to give right now.'”

    The Donor: Arizona-based oil drilling CEO, Dan Eberhart

    He donated about $200,000 in the last election to campaigns and super-PACs. Much of that, he directed to the Republican Party itself: $70,000 to the Republican National Committee and $15,000 to the National Republican Senatorial Committee, the party’s campaign arm supporting Senate candidates. This year, he’s holding back. [...]

    “I don’t know why donors should give to the NRSC until tax reform is passed,” Eberhart says. “Thanks for [Supreme Court Justice Neil] Gorsuch, but you haven’t otherwise used the majority.”

    PIF,, why do you have such a difficult time accepting facts, if it is something that goes against your philosophy.. GOP Senators have admitted it openly, and then Donors are loudly demanding it. They paid for these guys and now they want their fvvvkin money. Why don't you want to accept the fact that this is a donor bill and not a middle class tax cut.
     
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    Seems like you're carrying a lot of resentment over this Ava. I can't tell whether it is your desire to have the economy falter and blame it on Trump or that you feel it is unfair that people who pay a lot more in taxes than you do may get a bigger refund -- or maybe it is a bit of both.

    Chill out and enjoy the great economy we are having under Trump. You'll have a chance in three more years to put Hillary in power and she'll surely run the economy into a ditch while making herself rich.
     
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    Why would I be resentful? I'm going to get a tax cut.
     
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    Read post #42 for possible reasons. Or, as Michael Savage has said, "liberalism is a mental disorder" and you are a liberal.
     
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    FIFY. Otherwise agree.
     
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    History says otherwise. Tax cuts produce growth. Even JFK new that.
     
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    consider the source............ a hate filled denizen of night time radio...........glad he is one of your standard bearers......But then again he should be well aware of what a mental disorder might be........listen to him awhile and it becomes obvious.
     
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    Savage is generally a bit extreme for my taste -- but his "liberalism is a mental disorder" line is a classic and spot on. How else do you explain letting illegal aliens get away with murder, refusing to deport MS-13 gang members, bringing thousands of potential terrorists into the country, etc.?
     
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    What does this even mean? This means you have no argument to the quotes I provided above from Republicans donors and Republican Senators saying the same thing-that this is a donor bill and if they dont give their donors their tax cut, their campaign contributions will be cut off. You are saying this is not true? How many times do the donors have to say this for you to believe them?
     
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    Every significant bill passed by Congress is a donor bill. The ACA was essentially written by and for the insurance companies that contribute to the folks in D.C.
     
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    I agree with this. Pharma got a bonanza from the Democrat Ben Nelson, who then went to the Pharma as a lobbyist after he retired. This is why I don't like money in politics.
     
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      Yes when your marginal rate goes from 90% of course that will produce growth. We are already at the lower bounds effective rate. Statutory rates don't mean sh!t. Nobody pays that.
       
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      But you love the Elitist who fund the Left :headslap:
       
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      This bill is a mess. Republicans are having a hard time on TV defending this bill. They keep on insisting that the purpose of this bill is to help the middle class, but then keep on talking about how they have to pass this for their donors. They should pick on and stick with it. Meanwhile, Chuck Grassely:

      "“I think not having the estate tax recognizes the people that are investing,” Grassley told the Register. “As opposed to those that are just spending every darn penny they have, whether it’s on booze or women or movies.”

      ok..... Currently there are 5500 household that would be affected by the estate tax. Incidentally, I know a few people that make up the 5500 taxable estates. There are about 126MM households in the US. Grassley is calling people who dont have taxable estates welfare queens? No wonder they are having a hard time selling this as a middle class tax cuts. They think the middle class are lazy people who spend their money on prostitutes and drugs. And that people who inherit money are the true hard working Americans. Lol.
       
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      This is you main issue. Instead of considering the merits of the bill and using that to decide if it is good or bad, your guiding light is whether liberals like it or not. Did you ever consider that you might agree with a liberal on some things?
       
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      No one paid the 90% rate either, so no.
       
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      Fortunately, the Democratic party have made it easy to decide what to support and oppose. Their only objective is to overturn the 2016 election. They have shown no interest in participating in the tax bill or, for that matter, any other matters of substance. Why would anyone support them or their positions?
       
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      The funny part is they have no power and will turn on each other in a heartbeat now that the Clintons are out of power...They show their true character by lack of support for ANYTHING the hard working people of this country really need.....unless maybe it's a sex change or abortion....or perhaps freedom for the murdering illegals they provide shelter to.....I'm not sure how anyone can get up in the morning and look themselves in the face and say " I'm a modern day Democrat/Socialist"?
       
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      Here is part two:

      The victory on tax cuts was only the first step. Conservative leaders say the next target will be cuts to entitlements like Medicare. http://nyti.ms/2jEG8T6

      Sorry, now that we gave the money away to corporations, we have to cut the
      What is there to participate on? They dont think we should give all the money to the top 1% and then claim we have no money for SS and Medicare. I like the thing they snuck in at the last moment to make personal jets deductible. Yay middle class!. I just wish they would stop trying to convince us that this bill is a middle class tax cut. A more honest argument would be that Rich people pay much of the tax burden disproportionately so they are going to benefit disproportional from the tax cut. Middle class needs to work harder. That would be honest argument. But to blatantly lie about how this is for the middle class, please. But I guess if Hannity tells you it is a middle class tax cut, you will believe that.
       
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      This is your problem. You look at people who dont agree with you as your enemies. Lower than pedophiles. I dont see things that way. I just see people have different ways of thinking. The modern Republican philosophy is about hating liberal. That is it.
       

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