Chip Kelly or Scott Frost?

Discussion in 'Main Sports Forum' started by Wuerffel4Pres, Nov 14, 2017.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Wuerffel4Pres

    Wuerffel4Pres No offense
    Lifetime Member

    Joined:
    Aug 27, 2016
    Messages:
    644
    Oxbucks:
    $130
    Ratings:
    +737 / -44
    Most of us are in agreement that these are the two guys we'd be happy to get as our new head coach. And while I would have been ecstatic to get Kelly a few years ago, it'll feel a bit like a let down to me today. Here's why:

    Let's compare the two. Who gets the edge in a bunch of head-to-head battles?

    AGE? Edge goes to Frost. He's more than a decade younger.

    SOMETHING TO PROVE? Edge goes to Frost. He'd be a lot hungrier to win at the Power 5 level. Kelly already has.

    LOCAL TIES: Edge goes to Frost. He's been coaching for two years right down the road and has developed a myriad of contacts. Kelly has never even been in the general vicinity of the Southeast. Hell, the closest he's ever been was in Philadelphia, and that was in the NFL.

    "BRAND": Edge goes to Frost. Look, I love Kelly and what he did at Oregon, but let's face it: That ended five years ago. Sure, fans and media members in their 20s, 30s and 40s have fond recollections of Kelly, but a recruit who is, say, 16 or 17 was 11 or 12 years old the last year of Kelly's collegiate coaching career. That same kid is seeing what Frost is doing at UCF at the present. I don't think Kelly has the name recognition and pull and cache with kids that everyone thinks he does. And I definitely don't think he'd have more of any of that than Frost would.

    PHYSICAL BUILD: Edge goes to Frost. I know this is low on the list of important traits, but it's something, and I prefer a fit dude who can actually get involved during practices and who can run up and down the sidelines to a pudgier guy. Kelly isn't Charlie "Ate the Chocolate Factory" Weis, but he isn't Frost, either. He doesn't "look" the part of big-time coach/CEO as much as Frost does.

    RECRUITING: Edge goes to Frost. He's been recruiting in the Sunshine State for two seasons. Kelly hasn't sniffed the SE in ... ever. And if the rumors are correct, Kelly doesn't like to pound the pavement when it comes to recruiting.

    EXPERIENCE: Edge goes to ... push. Yes, Kelly was at a Power 5 school for longer than Frost has been at a Group of 5 school, but like I said, that was years ago. Frost is in the game. Kelly's layoff and Frost's current exposure have to factor into it.

    SALARY (from UF's standpoint): Edge goes to Frost. I'd have to assume that UF would have to pay more money to get Kelly than it would to get a guy with only two seasons under his belt at UCF, even factoring in that Kelly has no buyout.

    Look, five years ago I would have gotten a chubby if we hired Kelly, but being out of the game for five years and having no ties to the area are red flags for me today, especially when there is a great, Kelly-related choice right down the road. Plus, who's to say that Kelly won't bolt for the NFL at the first chance he'd get. I think Frost would stay awhile if he became our coach.

    Kelly is my 1B choice, but I just think at this point, given what UF has gone through with its last two boring-as-**** coaches, we need young blood willing to put his offensive stamp on the program. A young guy who is hungry and who will get down and dirty with the kids on the practice field and be fiery and bring the energy and excitement so desperately needed in Gainesville right now.

    That's why I'm Frost-y.
     
    • Gator98MD

      Gator98MD Senior Member

      Joined:
      Sep 16, 2014
      Messages:
      1,299
      Oxbucks:
      $182
      Ratings:
      +1,076 / -24
    • maheo30

      maheo30 Theonomist Gator
      Lifetime Member

      Joined:
      Jul 24, 2014
      Messages:
      3,330
      Oxbucks:
      $1,508
      Ratings:
      +3,747 / -44
      This guy,

      [​IMG]
       
      • Doopree

        Doopree Senior Member
        Lifetime Member

        Joined:
        Sep 2, 2015
        Messages:
        510
        Oxbucks:
        $100
        Ratings:
        +606 / -72
        Who would you rather bang; Chip Kelly or Scott Frost?
         
      • Durty South Swamp

        Durty South Swamp doodley doodley doo!
        Lifetime Member

        Joined:
        Jun 19, 2014
        Messages:
        9,806
        Oxbucks:
        $1,178
        Ratings:
        +10,813 / -82
        id prefer scott frost, but i wouldnt kick chip out the bed...
         
        • g8tr72

          g8tr72 Well-Known Member

          Joined:
          Jun 8, 2016
          Messages:
          6,379
          Oxbucks:
          $2,089
          Ratings:
          +4,935 / -17

          I really like Frost, but Kelly to UF seems to be what's happening.
           
        • BMF

          BMF Junior Member
          Lifetime Member

          Joined:
          Sep 8, 2014
          Messages:
          9,006
          Oxbucks:
          $4,499
          Ratings:
          +9,953 / -108
          I'm in favor of Frost as well....but I ain't turning my nose up at Chip Kelly either.
           
          • Phineus Maximus

            Phineus Maximus Thread Killer
            Lifetime Member

            Joined:
            Jun 11, 2014
            Messages:
            664
            Oxbucks:
            $550
            Ratings:
            +286 / -3
            I'm hearing that Chip is a done deal. Don't know how reliable the source is...
             
            • gatormandan

              gatormandan The Donk Slayer!
              Lifetime Member

              Joined:
              Oct 15, 2014
              Messages:
              7,011
              Oxbucks:
              $1,831
              Ratings:
              +6,797 / -193
              Which one is it out of the 100 sources we have heard from?
               
              • Phineus Maximus

                Phineus Maximus Thread Killer
                Lifetime Member

                Joined:
                Jun 11, 2014
                Messages:
                664
                Oxbucks:
                $550
                Ratings:
                +286 / -3
                It's a source outside GatorChatter.
                 
              • Phineus Maximus

                Phineus Maximus Thread Killer
                Lifetime Member

                Joined:
                Jun 11, 2014
                Messages:
                664
                Oxbucks:
                $550
                Ratings:
                +286 / -3
                A friend of a friend, if you will.
                 
              • Himey

                Himey Super Important Member
                Lifetime Member

                Joined:
                Jun 12, 2014
                Messages:
                891
                Oxbucks:
                $10
                Ratings:
                +897 / -5
                I prefer Frost but no doubt Chip would be a splash hire. I just hope he can recruit and gel with the Gator culture. Frost I think would better at that.
                 
                • NavetG8r

                  NavetG8r Stupid
                  Lifetime Member

                  Joined:
                  Jun 11, 2014
                  Messages:
                  13,128
                  Oxbucks:
                  $552
                  Ratings:
                  +9,385 / -64
                  Either would be a great hire, but I'm detecting in your post that you believe Frost would be a more electric and exciting hire. I disagree with that thought. Chip Kelly is a name every recruit will recognize and respect as a proven winner. Frost looks like he's kicking butt and taking names, but it's UCF, not Oregon or the NFL. Big difference. I think Frost has the "it" factor and would kick @ss at UF, but I "know" Chip Kelly will/would because he already has proven it at a P5 program that doesn't have anywhere near the recruiting hotbed to pull from that he would at UF. Frost would be a big splash hire. Kelly would be a home run hire. Kelly is probably less likely to bolt for the NFL after a few years too because he's already been there done that and got his fix.
                   
                  • bradgator2

                    bradgator2 1/29/17 half marathon - 1 hour, 34 min, 2 secs
                    Lifetime Member

                    Joined:
                    Jun 12, 2014
                    Messages:
                    5,320
                    Oxbucks:
                    $2,109
                    Ratings:
                    +8,287 / -57
                    Chip Kelly now.... or Chip Kelly 15 years ago?
                     
                    • ltraz

                      ltraz Well-Known Member

                      Joined:
                      Oct 18, 2017
                      Messages:
                      1,591
                      Oxbucks:
                      $1,467
                      Ratings:
                      +1,586 / -180
                      Not arguing anything on your list, but you left out a kind of big one in who has the better resume. Thats not even close. Frost has been impressive at ucf, while Kelly went to 4 bcs bowls in 4 years at Oregon. He was a couple missed field goals of being even better and he did it even though he lost two QBs pretty unexpectedly. His college resume is basically as good as a HC has ever had IMO. Even if Kelly only stays for 5 years, he might do what meyer did in being so dominant that our brand would be strong for years afterward regardless of the next coach.

                      I'd have a few questions that would only be answered in an interview that would decide it for me.
                       
                      • itsgr82bag8r

                        itsgr82bag8r Political Forum Fire Starter
                        Lifetime Member

                        Joined:
                        Jun 11, 2014
                        Messages:
                        13,604
                        Oxbucks:
                        $2,072
                        Ratings:
                        +8,526 / -44
                        [​IMG]
                         
                        • TheDouglas78

                          TheDouglas78 Well-Known Member

                          Joined:
                          Jun 12, 2014
                          Messages:
                          9,942
                          Oxbucks:
                          $2,063
                          Ratings:
                          +5,258 / -56
                          before or after Slug's tweeted pics?
                           
                          • itsgr82bag8r

                            itsgr82bag8r Political Forum Fire Starter
                            Lifetime Member

                            Joined:
                            Jun 11, 2014
                            Messages:
                            13,604
                            Oxbucks:
                            $2,072
                            Ratings:
                            +8,526 / -44
                            [​IMG]
                             
                          • GatorFL

                            GatorFL Well-Known Member
                            Lifetime Member

                            Joined:
                            Oct 29, 2017
                            Messages:
                            96
                            Oxbucks:
                            $96
                            Ratings:
                            +107 / -0
                            Frost>Kelly.
                             
                            • Ancient Reptile

                              Ancient Reptile Senior Member

                              Joined:
                              Mar 4, 2015
                              Messages:
                              3,268
                              Oxbucks:
                              $1,404
                              Ratings:
                              +2,052 / -109
                              I like Frost, but not sure your analysis is even handed. Have a 16 year old relative that's a good LB and still rocks lime green and yellow because of Kelly.
                               
                            Thread Status:
                            Not open for further replies.

                            Share This Page

                            The Box

                            Help

                            You don't have the necessary permissions to use the chat.

                              1. There are currently no users chatting.
                                • About Us

                                  Our community sprung up when the Gatorsports message board was shut down in the summer of 2014. We pride ourselves on offering Gator-biased, yet critical discussion among people of all different backgrounds. We are working every day to make sure our community is the best Gator message board you will find.
                                • Like us on Facebook

                                • Buy us a Zima!

                                  The management works very hard to make sure the community is running the best software, best designs, and all the other bells and whistles. Care to buy us a non-alcoholic Zima? We'd really appreciate it! Just click the "Donate" tab at the top of the page.