College Football Pecking Order

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That was written 10 years ago. Much has changed since then...especially in Gainesville. :(
 

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That was written 10 years ago. Much has changed since then...especially in Gainesville. :(

And a lot of other places too.

I see on the list where Miami is a "King" and Georgia is a "Baron". Didn't Geogia's coach get fired and now is coaching at Miami?
 
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That was written 10 years ago. Much has changed since then...especially in Gainesville. :(
Ancient history. And it will take 4-6 years plus a complete flushing of the AD office and coaching staffs to every sniff that again.
 

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Miami hasn't had double digit wins in 13 years. They have never won an ACC title. Miami claims they average just over 47,000 fans at home games. The only thing more pathetic than that number is the fact that they are greatly exaggerating to get there.

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The only people that still think Miami is relevant are the 1,349 Miami fans in that picture.
 

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I grew up in Miami was a huge canes fan in the 80's. Man those were the days!
 

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I grew up in Miami was a huge canes fan in the 80's. Man those were the days!

https://www.si.com/college-football/2014/12/12/si-vault-broken-beyond-repair-miami-drop-football

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June 12, 1995 issue of Sports Illustrated Broken Beyond Repair: Why Miami should drop football

The revelations of the past few months make it clear that the Miami football program has become a disease, a cancer that is steadily devouring an institution that you have worked so hard to rid of its image as Suntan U. The Hurricanes have won four national championships during your 14 years as president, but they have done so at incalculable cost to the university's reputation and integrity. You have gone through three athletic directors. You are now on your fourth football coach. But only one president has presided over this hurricane with a black eye.

It is time, President Foote, to fire the program.

For all its victories, Miami football has been worse in more ways over a longer period of time than any other intercollegiate athletic program in memory. Scan the list of abuses that beset college sports, and your football team can claim, going back to 1980, at least one entry in virtually every category: improper benefits; recruiting violations; boosters run amok; academic cheating; use of steroids and recreational drugs; suppressed or ignored positive tests for drugs; player run-ins with other students as well as with campus and off-campus police; the discharge of weapons and the degradation of women in the football dorm; credit-card fraud and telephone credit-card fraud.

During the past decade your school enrolled and suited up at least one player who had scored a 200 on his verbal SAT -- the number you get for spelling your name correctly. An on-campus disturbance, involving some 40 members of the football team, required 14 squad cars and a police dog to quell. Fifty-seven players were implicated in a financial-aid scandal that the feds call "perhaps the largest centralized fraud upon the federal Pell Grant program ever committed.'' And among numerous cases of improper payments to players from agents was one in which the nondelivery of a promised installment led a Hurricane player to barge into an agent's office and put a gun to his head.

The illegal acts with which your Hurricanes have been charged run the gamut from disorderly conduct and shoplifting to drunken driving, burglary, arson, assault and sexual battery. Surely you read the exhaustive and chilling piece about your football program in The Miami Herald of May 18. That paper's reporters did the math: No fewer than one of every seven scholarship players on last season's team has been arrested while enrolled at your university. No wonder running back Melvin Bratton, a Hurricane from 1983 to '87, when asked what students thought of the team's rap sheet, said, "They're too scared to say anything to us.'' The old jokes -- about Miami being the school where they take the team picture from both the front and the side; about the Hurricanes topping every poll from UPI to MCI to FBI -- simply aren't funny anymore.

Surely, as a former Marine, you must have been appalled at an environment in which players could openly defy coach Dennis Erickson's efforts to restrain them during that game and then have one of them say, as center Darren Handy did, that their behavior "might be embarrassing to the university and the coaches, but it's not to the players. We enjoy it.''


Absolutely nothing has changed in Coral Gables.
 
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Come on now Gators, do you think perhaps attendance is reflective of student enrollment size over the years and the fact that few students @ Miami are from FL? UF has a total (grad + postgrad) enrollment of approx.55,000 vs. Miami's 16,500. In addition, Miami has both a pro team in football & basketball, South Beach entertainment, NASCAR, numerous high-end nightclubs with celebrity entertainment, the beach, etc. all vying for the dollar. I was born in Gainesville and still own property between Waldo & Hampton; thus, visit frequently and there is still nothing there except the UF, Shands & now Trader Joe's. Not knocking Gainesville, but just enumerating the differences which do indeed affect attendance. Regardless, attendance does not win NC's or we certainly wouldn't have 5. We do have sell-outs when we play elite football teams such as the Gators, Noles, Notre Dame, Penn State & Ohio State and a lot of their fans live in South FL.
 

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Come on now Gators, do you think perhaps attendance is reflective of student enrollment size over the years and the fact that few students @ Miami are from FL? UF has a total (grad + postgrad) enrollment of approx.55,000 vs. Miami's 16,500. In addition, Miami has both a pro team in football & basketball, South Beach entertainment, NASCAR, numerous high-end nightclubs with celebrity entertainment, the beach, etc. all vying for the dollar. I was born in Gainesville and still own property between Waldo & Hampton; thus, visit frequently and there is still nothing there except the UF, Shands & now Trader Joe's. Not knocking Gainesville, but just enumerating the differences which do indeed affect attendance. Regardless, attendance does not win NC's or we certainly wouldn't have 5. We do have sell-outs when we play elite football teams such as the Gators, Noles, Notre Dame, Penn State & Ohio State and a lot of their fans live in South FL.
When you have sell-outs, it's due to the visitors occupying 75% of the seats.
 

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Come on now Gators, do you think perhaps attendance is reflective of student enrollment size over the years and the fact that few students @ Miami are from FL? UF has a total (grad + postgrad) enrollment of approx.55,000 vs. Miami's 16,500. In addition, Miami has both a pro team in football & basketball, South Beach entertainment, NASCAR, numerous high-end nightclubs with celebrity entertainment, the beach, etc. all vying for the dollar. I was born in Gainesville and still own property between Waldo & Hampton; thus, visit frequently and there is still nothing there except the UF, Shands & now Trader Joe's. Not knocking Gainesville, but just enumerating the differences which do indeed affect attendance. Regardless, attendance does not win NC's or we certainly wouldn't have 5. We do have sell-outs when we play elite football teams such as the Gators, Noles, Notre Dame, Penn State & Ohio State and a lot of their fans live in South FL.

You keep telling yourself that's why nobody goes to the games. Anything to help ya sleep at night. :therethere:
 

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Come on now Gators, do you think perhaps attendance is reflective of student enrollment size over the years and the fact that few students @ Miami are from FL? UF has a total (grad + postgrad) enrollment of approx.55,000 vs. Miami's 16,500. In addition, Miami has both a pro team in football & basketball, South Beach entertainment, NASCAR, numerous high-end nightclubs with celebrity entertainment, the beach, etc. all vying for the dollar. I was born in Gainesville and still own property between Waldo & Hampton; thus, visit frequently and there is still nothing there except the UF, Shands & now Trader Joe's. Not knocking Gainesville, but just enumerating the differences which do indeed affect attendance. Regardless, attendance does not win NC's or we certainly wouldn't have 5. We do have sell-outs when we play elite football teams such as the Gators, Noles, Notre Dame, Penn State & Ohio State and a lot of their fans live in South FL.

National Attendance Rankings 2016
14. Clemson 80,970 total enrollment: 23,406
15. Notre Dame 80,795 total enrollment: 12,179

The excuse that no one attends Miami games because there are other things to do is hilarious. That is the very definition of irrelevant. People would literally rather do anything besides go to see the Canes play football. On the other hand, there are many Gators that live in the Miami area that travel all the way to Gainesville to attend Florida games. What's the excuse for that? They got lost on the way to South Beach and ended up in the Swamp?

The simple truth is that Canes football is totally irrelevant unless they are cheating. It's a U thing.
 
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14. Clemson 80,970 total enrollment: 23,406
15. Notre Dame 80,795 total enrollment: 12,179

The excuse that no one attends Miami games because there are other things to do is hilarious. That is the very definition of irrelevant. People would literally rather do anything besides go to see the Canes play football. On the other hand, there are many Gators that live in the Miami area that travel all the way to Gainesville to attend Florida games. What's the excuse for that? They got lost on the way to South Beach and ended up in the Swamp?

The simple truth is that Canes football is totally irrelevant unless they are cheating. It's a U thing.

You guys cherry pick and don't look @ the total pic. Neither Clemson nor ND have a pro team in their town,or much of anything else. The majority of students at Clemson are from the SE and it is the Catholic thing with ND. I have been to both of these campuses and, like Gainesville, there isn't anything else going on but college football. As stated, most Miami students are from NY, PA and Ohio areas and they have a large amount of international students. The alums simply can't drive the 4 to 5 hrs.like the Gators travel to games. Also, the City of Miami has diversified ethnic population and soccer is their game. Insofar as Gainesville, the vast majority of alums are Floridians. Oh well, whatever.

Do you think we cheated the last time we played you and won? I don't, so face it, not too irrelevant. At this time, I think UF & Miami are pretty even...both have good defenses and both looking for a QB, so offense is unknown. A lot will depend upon coaching and play-calling. Things tend to go in cycles; thus, it is time for Miami and UF to get back with the elite and FSU to go down. As we both play FSU this year, which team do you feel has the better chance of beating them?
 
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Not really fair to compare these teams and attendance. Although I will say back in the 80's cheating or not, they sold out the orange bowl. Jimmy Johnson ran one hell of a program. Him and uncle Luke brought the heat. Those were some fun times
 

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