Detailed Article on the Extent of Intelligence Communication Failures under the Obama Administration

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    Interesting article about the colossal intelligence failures that occurred in the Obama Administration. Dozens of agents in multiple countries were killed.

    And while the article didn't really get into it: it makes me absolutely livid to read that the IC was warning Obama and the Congressional committees that Iran was aggressively going after our intelligence agents and sources in *other* countries starting in 2013. Right when Obama was on his knees sucking off the mullahs--desparate to get the Iran "deal." One thing I am 100% aligned with Trump on was how laughable that "deal" was, given Iran's history and their actions.

    The CIA's communications suffered a catastrophic compromise. It started in Iran.
     
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      The breach goes well beyond communications but also is a tradecraft problem. Simply put, the communications should never be anything that implicates a source. People know that intel goes to state dept, gets sent via AOL.com to Hillary and to servers congress run by Pakistani spies, and to congressional interns who frankly shouldn't be anywhere near classified. The reports have to be written so that they don't give away a source or enough info to narrow the sources down signifiicantly.

      IE we think Iran is doing this thing. A confidence factor is then attached. The source shouldnt be identified even as human, signal, satellite or other. If someone has some specific reason to know exactly how that information is known, those things should be discussed face to face. No specifics in the reports.
       
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        All true... until politicos infect the leadership of said organizations combined with an administration that demands to know/questions the very details you are talking about even though it’s completely unnecessary. Arrogance combined with disdain for protocol kills, period. It’s the very reason I refused to meet with anyone other than one person, and never on US soil.
         
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          No offense but the professionals have to be professionals.
           
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            She’s in charge now, after 8 years of Brennan’s and Morrell’s and Valerie Jarrett’s. The internal politicians ran deep. Notice how prior to a brief blip with the Khashoggi news, you haven’t heard her name since her confirmation? Sanity and professionalism is happening again, but slowly. The political parasites run deep.

            Edit: and a Hillary, a Kerry, a Ben Rhoades, a Samantha Powers, a ...
             
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              Thanks for the additional info.

              I remember reading about losing the assets in China. Was thinking came from China.

              I was wrong for thinking we had no real option with Iran. Can’t believe we could not use this info with our European ‘friends’.
               
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              Obama was a disgrace when it came to stuff like that and then wouldn't even put in hardly any effort to get our people back when they did get caught up in something. Even in cases where it was with friendly countries. That CIA agent thrown in prison in Italy just sat there with Obama doing nothing and then Trump gets elected and makes a couple of calls saying there will be serious consequences if they don't release her and she gets released.

              A different issue but Obama would have never put that much heat on Turkey to release that preacher and those ones released in North Korea would still be there unless we gave them a real big concession to release them. Just look at his joke Iran deal.
               
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                @MotownGator Mohammad isn't going to like this. He is a big fan of Hizballah, Syrian and Iran.
                 
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                Truly baffling how Iran would be linked with terrorist attacks in Europe--who've been some of Trump's strongest critics on his Iran policy. You would think they wouldn't do anything to rock the boat to try and divide the US from Europe on the issue.

                Now, their actions prove that Trump was right to confront the totality of their actions and link them to any normalization of relations.
                 
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                  You arent thinking like people who believe they are on a mission from Allah and the Mahdi.

                  Besides, Euros never provide consequences for terrorists. You can kill hundreds and get a short year jail sentence, then get deported back home instead of serving the sent.
                   
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                  You left off Susan Rice: probably the most incompetent and unethical person of them all. She was despised by the IC and how she held her job for so long is an absolute mystery.
                   
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                    They've succeeded in deceiving Europe that they're benign and desiring peace...and then jeopardize their cover by doing the one thing that would shatter such an illusion and drive the Europeans into the Trump/Israeli/Saudi camp.

                    The Iranians style themselves as experts at playing the long game--but they routinely pull amateur moves like this that are truly baffling.
                     
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                    Meanwhile in Turkey...

                    ISTANBUL—Turkey’s President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said Tuesday that his country would ignore sanctions the U.S. introduced against Iran this week—a defiant tone that could complicate Ankara’s recent efforts to defuse tension with Washington.
                     
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                    Lol, you have to question the man's sanity: Turkey's economy has been in the crapper for most of this year; their currency has tanked; and their debt levels are concerning. Perfect time to start a pissing contest with the world's largest economy, in other words...
                     

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