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Discussion in 'Politics' started by Gatoravatara, May 29, 2015.
What could possibly go wrong http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/29/us/mohammed-cartoon-contest/index.html
If something did go "wrong", who would you blame?
It would most definitely be the artist's fault. I mean c'mon, if I draw a picture on a piece of notebook paper I should certainly be executed. Just common sense.
Just goes to show you how stupid some people in our country are. Imagine the outrage if 600 people got in front of the Baptist Church on Sunday to draw nasty pictures of Jesus. "He cletus, lets run down to the rag head's church and draw MohAMMAD riding a pig nekkid. Bet them sand @$#**@#s get all crazy over that"
What's stupid about expressing constitutional freedoms?
My bad, URG. I am sure the FF were thinking go use your constitutional rights to stand in front of someone's church and draw pictures to denigrate and incite them. BTW you have the right to go inside a Chinese Rest and talk like Jerry Lewis or go to a black establishment and tell them how good the fried chicken and watermelon is while asking them to dance. Maybe draw some pictures of nooses and people in black face. Its all good and more important very human and damned smart. I forgot about finding a synagogue and chanting Heil Hitler while wearing swastikas. ALL about those "constitutional rights"
Or skinheads burning swastikas and holding up large pictures of Hitler and concentration camps in front of a holocaust museum or temple.
I'm normally supportive of such gestures. To a degree, it is healthy. But I think doing it in front of a mosque during services is disrespectful and needlessly provocative. I know when I see those asshats protesting outside of military funerals, that seems overboard, and this is too.
So, **** the constitution when you don't agree with it? got it, thanks. I'm not saying there is inherently anything "smart" about what they are doing, but seems to me some people only want constitutional freedoms when THEY agree with them.
Of course it is, that's sort of their point, but they are still simply expressing constitutional freedoms, until they do something outside the confines of the law.
One tweet, sent May 28 at 10:14 pm from an account that has since been suspended, says, â€œWARNING IF U LOVE UR CHILDREN DONT BRING THEM IN THE EVENT TODAY THE WILL SPLIT OF BLOOD IN THE EVENT OF MUHAMMAD SAW DRAWINGS.â€ Another tweet that was sent on May 28 from an acount that has also been suspended says, â€œWHO EVER LOVE HER OR HIS CHILD DONT TAKE THEM IN THE EVENT WE PROMISE U WE WILL DRINK UR BLOOD.â€ This could get interesting... as the guys holding this event will be extremely well armed and ready.
So you are OK with those ******* baptists protesting soldiers funerals? I'm not.
Define "OK". Why would I have to support specifically what they are doing in order to support constitutional freedoms?
i find it laughable how some of you equate someone simply drawing a picture of a man on a piece of notebook paper with the KKK burning crosses in peoples font yards or a crazed group of cultish people holding up signs and screaming "death to f@gs" in the middle of a soldiers funeral. People dont have the "right" not to be offended. Now it is true that common decency implies that normally one shouldn't go out of his way to offend another, however, common sense also implies that there are certain actions that are not offensive. It also implies there are certain people that will look to be offended no matter what. Psychotic muslims trying to murder someone who drew a picture of a man on a piece of scratch paper is the intersection of actions that are not offensive and people that are offended no matter what. Also, this narrative that to be for or against something means you must be for or against a law about it is the intersection of dumb and azz.
What's sad, he'd be right. FYI, I would have no outrage if 10K came outside my church and drew/said/acted/expressed in anyway shape or form something that I held dear and presented in a negative manner (or any manner). It has absolutely nothing to do with what I believe. The key is what I believe. Control myself and not others. Lead others. Other people were endowed with a free will (yes, I keep to this faith). It is theirs to do as they see fit. I am not charged with controlling their beliefs or behaviors. The only time I will care is when their actions start to infringe upon mine. Them speaking in a public place is fine.
Of COURSE they have the constitutional right to do the contest. Nobody is arguing that point. Should they bring their children? Probably not. Its one thing if they want to die for a cause, but putting your children in harms way is another story.
OK-- Time for a reality check. Salman Rushdie writes the "Satanic Verses" and he's had to live in hiding with a price on his head ever since. Dan Brown writes the "DaVinci Code" and makes a fortune. Nobody killed for the movie version, or for the "Last Temptation of Christ" or any of the actors or producers involved. Dutch filmaker Theo Van Gough made a film about violence against women in Islamic culture. He was brutally murdered, shot and stabbed. Charlie Hebdo regularly upbraids Christians. Nobody killed. Mohammed cartoons? Different outcome. Before Charlie Hebdo there was Jyllands Posten. Meanwhile, there is plenty of anti Christian art. A crucifix in a jar of urine got $20K from the NEA. An icon of the Virgin daubed with elephant dung and surrounded by pornographic images is art. Nobody got killed for either of those. Sinead O'Connor tears a picture of the Pope on live TV, she doesn't have to live in hiding surrounded by bodyguards. There is no equivalence here. Let's stop pretending we live in a fantasy world where Christian fundamentalists and Muslim fundamentalists are the same. As much as I hate the Westboro Baptist Church, they never killed anybody. And don't conflate the "fighting words" doctrine with free speech. We've been down this road before. There is a difference between holding up a sign reading "Thank God for Dead Soldiers" and holding up a sign reading "Thank God for Dead Soldiers" within view of a grieving war widow. One is free speech, the other is fighting words. Know the difference. Alex.
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