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Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by TLB, Jan 6, 2016.
Does it have anything to do with the other two? This coulda been done well and made some money.
I guess. It’s sort of linked at the end.
Just saw this movie. It was excellent. Made me well up. Will Smith was superb in this movie. 8/10
American made - after DG’s review I read more into this before watching and at least the director admits that it is a lie based on a true story. It does affect how you view the movie a little. If you strip that away and just look at it as a movie and not a true story it is an ok tom cruise movie. Entertaining but you definitely need to treat it as a fictional story. 6/10
Yeah, I just enjoyed it for what it was.
All eyes on me - Tupac biopic. This one tried to be as good as the one about NWA but isn’t. We will skip the first of it where all cops are bad. Once again however like the one about NWA tries to paint him as this amazing human being on the personal side for the most part but we know he had his faults. They once again use Suge Knight as a semi villain holding him hostage and manipulating him at times. Very little is shown of the bad boy records guys and you gat a brief encounter with Dre and a good dose of snoop and how his relationship of being easy going was viewed. The actors were fine, but the music scenes were horrible. There were times they didn’t even pretend to li sing and just had their mouths closed while words were going. It is way to long though at 2.5 hours. They should trim 45 minutes off and it would be better. Up to you to watch. 5/10
Two more for you Collide - two brits play Americans (beast from the new xmen and the girl from rogue one) expatriates living in Germany. They meet, fall in love and she gets sick. He then joins a crime crew led by a crazy turk (Ben Kingsley’s) and falls on the bad side of Anthony Hopkins. You then get about an hour and a half of car chases. 4/10. Brawl on cell block 99 - Vince Vaughn in a prison movie and he’s a badass. This movie is violent. He’s the muscle in a criminal scene and goes to prison after double crossed but doesn’t talk. He then manipulates his way through the system to take out people that have his wife. It’s slow but very good. 8/10
Here, I'll review it as a (Marvel) film, and leave out the 'black' social commentary, though that last line of the quote sums it up - a notch below it's peers. The opening has a killing dated 1992, then it jumps to current day next generation - unfortunately, while the historical scene helps explain the main plot and sets up key characters, the jump to action is disconnected and leaves you wondering why that was put in the film. Next complaint - first two major fight scenes (jungle convoy, and casino) are likely very exciting and action packed, but I couldn't really tell you because it was too much black on black to see what the hell was going on. I get that BP may use darkness to his advantage, but his whole schtick is being bulletproof and doing all kinds of gymnastics - stealth is not applied. I only had a clue to the jungle fight because of muzzle blasts. Some good would be our first real villain of Klaue, simply because he is "fun" and kinda high tech with a rocket arm. Second would the main villain of Killmonger (Michael B Jordan) who is really buff (no homo) and plays his role fairly well....though they give him a bit more backstory that doesn't conflict with our storyline, but it doesn't help much and just adds some filler you didn't need. Our 'good guys' actors are good at what they do, nothing stellar and nothing awful. Two comments on that - one is I didn't know Forest Whitaker was in this, and he seems to be doing the same old godfather type roles lately :yawn:, and I didn't know Martin Freeman was in this, which I absolutely adore him in Netflix's "Sherlock Holmes" with Benedict Cumberbatch as our all too human Dr. Watson, but in this film he feels like the token white guy who doesn't get killed (spoiler!). Not inspiring, nor memorable here on either of their parts. Plot is ok and makes sense with no major holes - any possible ones get filled effectively. Action is pretty decent, aside from the two all dark fight scenes. Oi, and there was a third and final gato-a-gato fight scene - two guys in BP outfits fighting inside a cavernous mountain with iffy lighting...we saw what was going on, but it was still a little difficult. Maybe it is my old eyesight. Anyway, fight scenes throughout were ok - there were some pretty cool gadgets (remote control from the lab!) but also a bit silly CGI going on. Rarely any laughs, no real emotional investment anywhere with attachments to character or humor in situations...just riding along. No boobs, though they likely would have been harmed had they been brought out. Marvel films should run 8-9 on my grades, this is a solid 6.5. Only see it if you can a) shut out all the black media talk and can try to enjoy an action film, or b) you are strictly going to see the black media aspects. Either way, you will leave disappointed.
Wonder Boy (2010) A straight A student who lost his mom in a car jacking as a 10yr old (he was in the back seat when she was killed) turns to a vigilante at night, primarily seeking out guys he knows killed someone and got away with it. After school he spends time in the PD supposedly going through mug shots hoping to find the guy who killed his mom (maybe true, maybe a way of finding guys to hit). Mix in a new detective to the PD that he makes friends with who starts chasing the vigilante (not knowing it is him) is predictable but it works. A cool twist is that midway through, we start seeing him in double scenes - a scene with dialogue, but it is rough cut together as what is really happening and how he is interpreting it so you get both and know he's not right in the head. The last 25 min things start blending and turning, what with the kid KNOWING who killed his mom, how it crosses with the detective, and how his f'd up dad screwed him up in the head over the years. He loses it, in a bad way, which builds to the finale that isn't exactly predictable but isn't too much of a surprise. I can't say it is a great movie, but solidly good. No boobs were seen or harmed. 7.5/10
It (2017) - tim curry scared the crap out of me as a kid so this one was hard to watch at first. The old not another remake. I will say I was really surprised. In my op ion this is one of the ways horror should be done. Gore does not always equal scary (looking at you Saw) and it more about being uncomfortable. For the most part the interactions with pennywise was more about playing on the fear of the kids. A few felt lost in the shuffle but all put in great performances. The guy who played the clown did a great job of it. Beyond his physical acting, but the changes in tones and facial expressions really helped out the character. Looking forward to round 2 and hopefully an adult cast can provide the same as the kids did. The end fight was a little less than expected but a good movie. 7/10
Saw two over the weekend - and both were actually pretty good. Denzel Washington hardly ever does a bad movie. This was from 2003 - “Out of Time” Small town police chief in Florida. ‘Banyan Key’ - fictional town. Going through a divorce from Eva Mendes (good lord son- what were you thinking) and seeing a married woman (also muy caliente). No boobs but kept me entertained while he gets in trouble and tries to get out of it with the married woman. Oh - and his wife is a homicide detective - adds a good twist. 6.5/10 And - saw The Confirmation I really liked this one - so did the wife. https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_confirmation_2016/ Clive Owen is a down on his luck Dad dealing with an ex and a bad job situation. I felt so bad for his character. And his son was awesome in this role. (The same kid in the Bill Murray movie - St Vincent) Overall - Funny and touching- good date night movie. 8/10.
Tried to watch Mute on Netflix. Bounced all around.
Watched Cloverfield: Paradox (2018): I will preface this by saying I read the bad reviews before watching it so, didn't have great expectations going in (also watched this between 11:30-1am because the wife wasn't feeling well). The movie wasn't as bad as I expected, the plot was odd to say that least. It appeared to be a way to explain the "event". I like some of the actors in this I've seen in their tv or bit movie roles. It got a little hammy at points and being this was straight to Netflix I kind of expected that. It keep the Mrs and I's attention long enough to finish it. Not great by any means. 5/10. ThreatMatrix Matrix: I don't believe any boobs were harmed or seen during the duration of this movie.
Guns at Batasi (1964) B&W film set in early 60's East Africa where countries are breaking from English rule, this film focuses on a military base run by the British and training African troops to be the military under a new African president. There is an uprising, the African soldiers take over the base, and a small group of the British find themselves locked in the Officer's mess hall during the transition. I'll jumble the real plot in who did what, but ultimately this is a quality film built on story and character. There is minimal action, and a lot about the Regiment Seargent Major played by Richard Attenborough who is the perfect actor to portray this role. Relevant to modern times, at the time of the rebellion, there is a female British political representative visiting the officers and is trapped with them. She insists upon speaking to with the base leader of the rebellion, as he's been with her in England and she is certain he is a reasonable man who will listen to her - something along the lines of today's leaders who insist talks can solve any issue, and the other side can be reasoned with. It is a nice scene when she finally reaches this leader and is summarily put in her place by him explaining that the British "talk like a drug, and when you awake you find their heel is still on your neck." Point being, people do what they feel they must to survive, and that does not mean that someone reasonable will agree with you or see things from your perspective. Meanwhile, we have Attenborough as the RSM operating from his sense of duty, experience, and the harsh facts of the situation and how he must protect the lives of those whom he leads. The real kicker is what happens to him in the end for doing what is right, and what the situation demands. There is a young Mia Farrow, but no boobs. Some soldiering and minor gunfire but no real action (one explosion, likely under 100 bullets in total). Rated as a good classic movie by most, I'll give it a 7/10.
Red Sparrow I went to see this alone late Saturday night (that's how I roll... mainly because everyone else is asleep and therefore, I don't impinge on family time, and I needed to see this one alone). I should have typed this up that night when my feelings were fresh, but I didn't, then got busy, then the Niger video upset me, now here I am. This movie stirred up a lot of memories and feeling for me. Background The movie is based on the book by the same name and approximates the book AS MUCH AS A MOVIE CAN in 2:20 minutes. The author is the real deal. He was a career CIA case officer and station chief and he specialized in "denied areas" which means he was out on his own hanging in the wind a lot. His career was Cold War and post-Cold War. The first 2/3rds of his career were also when case officers actually did things personally before everything became illegal and they had to rely on contacts and contractors to do the actual work. The book is 10 times more graphic than the movie and the book is quirky. Each chapter is based on a food and he puts the recipe at the end of the chapter. I thought it was interesting and liked it because I keep recipes from places... they're like memories. Apparently, a lot of "critics" hated the recipes being in the book... f'em. It is clear that the director and the actors wanted to get the story and characters right. I know they met with the author several times and they weren't f*cking around when they met, they really wanted to understand his world and the world of the characters as much as they could. I think they did well. The Movie Nothing you can't read anywhere and I'm not going to give any spoilers, because there would be tons. A prima ballerina with the Bolshoi who came from nothing to reach the pinnacle has a State provided apartment (and, the apartment is accurate and appropriate) for her and her sick mom (who gets the BEST doctors of the elite, not the doctors the masses get) gets a career ending broken leg. Her uncle is high up in the SVR, gives her the reality that she and mom will be booted from the apartment and lose the good docs, and while hot, will be lucky to be a bank teller, and offers her an "out" by coming into his world as he recognizes qualities in her that suit his world (not just that she's hot). She goes to the Sparrow school, and yes, there was a Sparrow school, period. The story then twists and turns and develops up until the end, and there is a BIG, realistic, twist at the end that you don't see coming (and there are a lot of twists along the way). The end isn't a happy one or the one that I think most would expect from the trailers and even while watching the whole movie up until the very end. I hope it does well enough box office wise that they make the two sequels. Critic and Moviegoer Reviews I read all the IMDB reviews before I saw it. Moviegoers seem to fall into one of two categories:Those who only give it a 1. These people fall into one of two categories:Those who thought and wanted it to be another Salt (liked it), Atomic Blonde (liked it), or Black Widow (I don't do comic books). These are the people who want to see the fantasy of a 130 pound woman be able to best a 180 pound man with equal training with endless ridiculous action (which is entertaining) and a pat ending. Oh, and they don't mind big plot holes like in Atomic Blonde (which I really liked). Red Sparrow isn't any of those movies, period. Red Sparrow is pretty f*cking close to real life, and the author knew what he was doing.Those who b*tch about bad Russian accents and the use of 3.5" floppy disks in a post Cold War setting. F'ck these people... reminds me of bozos I sit next to on domestic flights who on takeoff, look at their watch to time the roll to lift off and then make some dumb f*ck comment about the pilot. Bad Russian accents? So f*cking what? In Hunt for Red October, they spoke sh*tty Russian with English subtitles for 30 seconds then the "Russians" all spoke with British, Australian, and the ever famous Lithuanian-Scottish accent. Did it ruin the movie? F*ck no! ... and f*ck these mental midgets. They neither get, nor ever will get, what was right about this movie and what real life is like.Those that give it an 8-10. They get it for what it is, even if they don't really GET it in the way I did. They weren't looking for a fantasy action flick and appreciate it as a non-Bond/Bourne movie about espionage/spying. I could at least drink beer with these people.Critics: F*ck 99% of them. Their reviews are based on political correctness and they drone on and on about "gratuitous and graphic unnecessary sex and violence." What the f*ck do these people know? EVERY SINGLE scene with violence, nudity and sex in Red Sparrow is 100% required for the movie to hammer points home to the viewer (and the movie is nowhere near as graphic as the book). Again, I liked Atomic Blonde a lot for what it was... but the ENTIRE MOVIE is nothing but gratuitous sex and violence for the sake of... well, gratuitous sex and violence, but they didn't poo poo Atomic Blonde this way. F*ck them. My Thoughts Here's what people don't understand about this movie... it is NOT about a spy who uses her body. It is about a SURVIVOR doing whatever it takes to SURVIVE and take care of her mother and turns to espionage to SURVIVE and take care of her mother, PERIOD. You have no idea how prevalent this is in former Soviet places for young women. I had several conversations in the past with G2 about this (his wife is Polish) and I've talked about it a LOT in the PF... the fact that the "survival gene" is much stronger still in Russians than it is in the West and most don't get that. Watch this movie and you will finally get it. NOTHING she does in this movie is an exaggeration, not a damn thing. Even when she does get violent, the damage she does is 100% in keeping with her size and training (or lack thereof for violence... no Bourne fighting ****). Her violent acts are those of a SURVIVOR and I've witnessed many Russian/Ukrainian girls do the same exact thing to sh*tbird men. Their "flash to bang" and instant survival instinct violence is frightening and jarring to people not accustomed to seeing it, therefore "critics" call it gratuitous and BS... F*ck them, it's real. She's a survivor, and she does. There are no silly escapes or situations where you should say, "Really? For real?" Please trust me, the movie is genuine in its regards to survival sex and violence when it comes to some Russian/Ukrainian women. I've known, know, and rescued a lot of women exactly like Dominika, exactly. Eastern Orthodox Christian's in Russia/Ukraine have a lot of superstitions and still visit "witches" living in the forest for advice (think of our palm/crystal ball people), but they BELIEVE it. I chalk it up to the "survivor gene", but I have NEVER met women that can read people, especially men, and read a situation and what is going on, better than some Russian/Ukrainian women. They have to learn this from an incredibly early age (like 5) or they get broken. The movie really caught me off guard in the way the director handled the character and the way J-law portrayed her. They did it right. She did it great. I get that the average viewer won't pick up on this due to their experiences, but the author of the book knew, and the director and J-law conveyed it as well as you can. Spying/Espionage: for the Soviets/Russians, it is almost always, like 95% of the time, a straight up financial transaction: money for secrets, period. They did this really well with Mary Louise Parker's character in the movie (her role was funny and great, but really accurate too). The other 5% falls in the realm of recruiting true ideologues, angry people, and getting turned through sex/"love" or personal compromise. The movie covers all of them, some subtly, some not, but they get it right. I liked when the mom told her "don't give them all of you." That may sound pretty standard to Western women, but it's another Russian female thing you'd have to understand. Giving sex can be purely transactional in a survival way, but you make sure that you "don't give them all of you." This hit home. I've actually had two tell me they wanted to give me all of them. This author has been there, and again, the director did it right. I liked Joel Edgerton's character Nate Nash. He didn't turn out to be a sap like he would've in a stock spy movie. His character was a pro. A human being, but a pro. Again, director and actor got it right, and again, the author has clearly been there, done that in person. All the other characters were good too and all were people I've "met" before. There were lots of little things I liked that reminded me of things. I've forgotten too many and need to see it again, I was mentally distracted with thoughts and memories while watching the movie. I'll update when I do. I've kind of f*cked up what I wanted to right the other night. Not very coherent here and kind of rambled, but I'll see it again and try round two. Bottom line, yes, you get to see boobs and graphic violence, both are absolutely necessary to the story. I really liked this, but this was really personal for me. I wasn't sure it was going to be, I hoped it would be, and it was.
Great write up DG. Was thinking about buying the book as I'm not much into going to the movies but may go check this one out. Have you seen, or read Tinker Tailor Solider Spy? How would you compare the films?
Believe it or not, I’ve never read LeCarre. I did see TTSS and liked it as well as some of his other stuff made into movies. I preferred Frederick Forsythe when they were both in their prime. Most of my favorite “spy/espionage” books are kind of quirky, slow, and dry, like real life, and I don’t think most people like them as much as Mitch Rapp or Bourne. I like all of them, but definitely have some favorites and categorize them appropriately and go from that starting point.
I will definitely see this now. Thank you!
Black Panther - I love the character and the way they’ve conceived him in this “Marvel Cinematic Universe”. It has basic comic movie elements and its own twists. Visually rich. It’s awfully preachy in spots, some of which is annoying, some of which I liked, some of which echoed “I’d like to teach the world to sing...” which is nice but saccharine. I don’t want to give spoilers so I’ll leave it at that. All in all, on the top shelf of Marvel’s origin movies.
It's the reports of preachiness that are keeping me from seeing it. I just can't stand being preached to be anyone, let alone Hollywood. Tell me a story, show the good and bad and let me make my own damn decision.
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