Guns in Your Face

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  1. Cowboy

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    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/13/opinion/gail-collins-guns-in-your-face.html?ref=opinion
    [h=1]Guns in Your Face[/h] JUNE 12, 2015
    Gail Collins


    Life in America requires a lot of advance preparation. For instance, when you’re getting ready for a plane trip you imagine what you’ll do if a problem arises — flight delay, long lines at security. But I bet you haven’t considered the best way to react if the man in front of you on the airport escalator has a gun dangling from his shoulder.
    That very thing happened recently in Atlanta, when a Georgia resident named Jim Cooley came strutting through the airport lobby with a loaded assault rifle.
    Cooley — who was taping the whole encounter and posted it on YouTube — corrected the police officer who stopped him. (“It’s not an automatic! It’s a semi-automatic!”) Then he declined to respond when she asked if he had a permit. (“Am I being detained? … If you’re detaining me then I’m going to have to file a lawsuit.”) And, in the end, he walked away in triumph.
    We’ve moved from the right to bear arms to the right to flaunt arms.
    While the airport setting gives the incident a particular flair, this kind of thing has been happening quite a bit. In Michigan, the City of Grand Rapids has been in a legal battle with a man who took umbrage when police stopped him while he was walking down a residential street on a Sunday morning wearing camouflage, with a pistol strapped to his leg and singing “Hakuna Matata” from “The Lion King.”
    Very few states have flat-out rules against openly carrying guns in public. It’s just something that never came up. “It’s not a practical thing to do,” said Laura Cutilletta of the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence. But it turns out that anyone with the legal right to carry a concealed weapon — which, in some states, doesn’t even require a permit — generally also has the legal right to walk into a McDonald’s with a gun sticking out of his waistband.
    The open display of weaponry freaks out average citizens, especially the ones with children. It outrages police. At one point, even the National Rifle Association said the open carry demonstrations were “downright weird.” But the organization quickly backtracked, apologized, blamed the post on an errant staffer, and averred that “our job is not to criticize the lawful behavior of fellow gun owners.”
    You’d think that lawmakers would move quickly to make it illegal, but with a few exceptions, there’s more enabling going on than anything else. After a Kalamazoo man walked into the public library’s summer reading party for children with a 9-millimeter gun strapped to his waist, worried officials asked the State Legislature to add libraries to a very small list of gun-free zones. The Legislature did nothing.
    “Look, I got a gun!” yelled a man who walked into a park where kids were playing baseball in — yes! — Georgia. “There’s nothing you can do about it.” The police, who were summoned, determined he was absolutely right.
    The Georgia State Legislature passed a law a few years back that made it legal for citizens to take their guns into the airport. At the time, then-Gov. Sonny Perdue was expressing concern about giving his wife the option of toting a pistol when she was “walking from one of those parking lots to pick up a grandchild or something like that.” He did not mention middle-age guys toting semiautomatic assault rifles past the check-in counter. But here we are.
    In Texas, where open carry had been banned since the post-Civil War era, protesters staged demonstrations all around the state, toting their guns to family restaurants and storming the State Capitol, where they confronted one unsympathetic lawmaker in his office. In response, the Legislature enabled House members to install panic buttons in their offices, and then legalized open carry for Texans with gun permits.
    Some commentators have attributed the whole open-carry phenomenon to white American men trying to work out their insecurities. We’ve got to stop blaming white men for everything. Really, they’ve contributed a lot to the country. Still, you can’t help but notice that there’s a certain demographic consistency to the people who are making a scene over their right to display arms.
    It wasn’t always that way. California passed its first ban on open carry in the 1960s in response to the Black Panther Party. “The Legislature was debating an open-carry law when 30 Black Panthers showed up at the Statehouse with their guns,” said Adam Winkler, a professor of law at U.C.L.A. and the author of “Gunfight: The Battle Over the Right to Bear Arms in America.”

    “The same day Gov. Ronald Reagan made a speech, saying there’s no reason why a law-abiding person should be carrying a gun on the street.”

    Maybe the way to turn this debate around would bring new recruits into the gun rights movement. “If open-carry advocates today were Marxist-leaning black radicals,” said Winkler, “we might have a very different situation.”
     
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    Well Gee the answer to what you should do is probably nothing, and if not that hit the ground.

    Whatever!!!
     
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    For people like you (and I guess Gail Collins) who have an irrational fear of firearms, your best best is to stay home with your doors locked and barricaded. Or, you could be like leading gun-banner Michael Bloomberg who travels with his own armed security force to keep himself safe while trying to deny "little people" the right to defend themselves.
     
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    The "list" not working?
     
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    Why?
     
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    Either that or get mental treatment. Quite obviously, you have an irrational fear of guns. The are many types of irrational fears present in society but we don't make everyone abandon their rights so that people with irrational fears can feel safe.
     
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    Mostly a tempest in a teapot. Though the curious demographic of who (at least who is reported by the media) as involved in 'open carry' is worth discussion. I wonder what will happen if non-whites decide, as away to test the system, to begin open carry as a way to move the discussion forward? I suspect it wouldn't turn out well. Probably why they don't.
     
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    Maybe they should worry about other things like banning soda.
     
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    We've had two threads on this completely insignificant event. I would think as a simple courtesy to those like Cowboy who have an irrational fear of firearms, people should avoid open carry unless their is some good reason for it. Simply "showing off" is stupid and is obviously a triggering event for the irrational.
     
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    I see.
    So when those kids at Columbine High School showed their guns, the other students showed "an irrational fear of guns"?
    I'll bet that "irrational fear of guns" made those law abiding gun owners feel threatened and that caused them to open fire in order to protect themselves from those who had "an irrational fear of guns" and wanted to take away their Second Amendment rights.
    Thanks for clearing that up.

    No, we arm them.
     
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    Well, you're demonstrating your irrational fear.

    Again, what is funny is that people like Michael Bloomberg spend millions of dollars trying to stir up irrational fears like those you demonstrate in order to achieve his political objection of eliminating people's second amendment rights. But Bloomberg has no fear of firearms, travelling with armed security wherever he goes.
     
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    Buy more guns an ammo,
    Then they can't pry your guns from your cold dead hands.
     
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    LOL -- Don't worry -- unlike you, I don't have any irrational views regarding firearms.
     
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    Good.
    Keep that in mind if you ever go into a high school or movie theater in Colorado and someone pulls out a gun.
     
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    Well, given your irrational fears, those sound like places you should stay away from. Like I said, if the absence of mental treatment, you should probably just barricade yourself at home to protect yourself from all of those crazed law-abiding gun owners.
     
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    No argument here. The funny thing is if Cowboy came to Florida he would probably have a cow knowing how many people around him could be carrying. We have given out 2.6 million carry permits.
     
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    If you see someone with a gun running onto the flight deck of a passenger plane at 30,000 ft., don't let your irrational fear of guns upset you.

    If someone walks into a bank with a gun, don't let your irrational fear of guns upset you.

    If you are a clerk at a convenience store at 3AM and someone comes in with a gun, don't let your irrational fear of guns upset you.

    They are only exercising their Second Amendment rights.
    (you hope)
     
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    You obviously have never spent any time in Texas.
    And we now have open carry.
    http://www.texastribune.org/2015/06/13/abbott-signs-open-carry-bill/
     
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