Happy 4th of July

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  1. alcoholica

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    People make the mistake of putting the political spectrum on a straight line. It’s not. The Richard Spencers of the world that are called extreme right wing have far more in common with Bernie Sanders than any conservative. Yes Coach, your views and beliefs are more in line with Spencer than any non-lib on this board.

    He may pander to a different crowd, but his goals, processes and procedures are very, very similar to the far left. His beneficiary group is just a different group.

    So the next time you want to bad mouth a far right group, just understand that if they replace white with black, you’d be all for it. But let’s be honest, you and the libs have no real issue with the tactics.
     
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      I posted a link to an article that made some good points about what is going on in regards to the new narratives from our leadership. But let me be clear. White or black or whatever political persuasion you profess to be I am against violence in promoting my race or party is better than yours. I know we have some black and white in this country angry about race in this country and we also have politicians that will use it to get votes, I had those mthrfckers with a passion. We have way more people that have respect and commons sense but we highlight the worst examples of it. If you think another race or party is all that is wrong with our country you are just a dumfck to me. There will always be disenfranchised willing to listen to some ass hole about why HIS way is better for OUR race............sheep come in all kinds of hues and ideologies.......
       
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        So long as you understand that Spencer is no different than BLM or the other left wing groups.
         
        • EyeDocGator

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          Left-Right is an artificial construct intended to marginalize the concept of individual freedom. It is more useful to consider political ideas by looking at their concept of tyranny (subservience to the state) vs individual freedom. Socialism (with its concept of abolishing private property), neocons (with their concept of all war all the time), and far-right (with its concept of subservience to the state regarding social mores) are all very similar when looked at this way. That's why John McCain is comfortable flipping from the Repubs to the Dems because nothing really changes when he flips from neocon to progressive philosophy.
           
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            I guess so but his history and theirs were certainly different. One rooted in slavery and few rights before the middle of the 20th century and the other from the side that held that power..............for giggles and shTs would you say the Black Panther movement in the 60s was no different that of Spencer type groups today. The same goals and reasons for their movements.........i know Im gonna regret this
             
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              I hope that some of them still believe in American ideals and constructs but I get what you are saying and am nodding my head in agreement pretty much. Good post, Doc.
               
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              They are probably very similar. I wasn’t around during the height of the black panthers, so I don’t know exactly how violent or instigating they were. By and large, the Spencer types have approached this from a standpoint of baiting and retaliation. Not every instance but the vast majority. I would also like to point out that the straight white male is pretty much the only person who is not part of a gov’t protected group. Now Law or Alex may come along and give a better/more accurate depiction, but even if they do, there is that perspective of systemic discrimination, whether valid or not. So yes, the Spencer types are coming at this from a similar place as the Black Panthers. Although I’d imagine the Black Panthers initiated violence where the Spencer types bait the other lefties to violence, which isn’t difficult.
               
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                • EyeDocGator

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                  Here's an interesting article on Calvin Coolidge, our most underestimated President. Cal made a valiant effort to reverse the evils of the Progressive Era and succeeded for a short time.

                  Words from the President Who Achieved Economic Excellence without Sacrificing Freedom

                  On July 4th, Americans celebrate our freedoms. Unfortunately, we all but ignore the only President born on Independence Day—Calvin Coolidge, who, though denigrated by historians, produced remarkable results without sacrificing them.

                  Coolidge cut tax rates, tax rolls and the federal debt. America prospered. Real economic growth under Coolidge averaged 7% (the highest on record), with 0.4% inflation and 3.3% unemployment. But Hoover (who Coolidge said “offered me unsolicited advice for six years, all of it bad”) abandoned those policies for increased trade barriers and tax rates, which, along with monetary blunders, ushered in the Great Depression.

                  Silent Cal was also far from silent in following our founders’ insights, which can still profit us:

                  There is no substitute for a militant freedom. The only alternative is submission and slavery."

                  "There is no greater service we can render…than to maintain inviolate the freedom of our own citizens."

                  "There is no justification for public interference with purely private concerns."

                  "All liberty is individual liberty."

                  "The individual has rights…And the protection of rights is righteous."

                  "When once the right of the individual to liberty and equality is admitted, there is no escape from the conclusion that he alone is entitled to the rewards of his own industry."

                  "The property of the people belongs to the people. To take it from them by taxation cannot be justified except by urgent public necessity. Unless this principle be recognized, our country is no longer secure, our people no longer free."

                  "I want the people of America to be able to work less for the Government ...to have the rewards of their own industry. That is the chief meaning of freedom."

                  "Unfortunately the Federal Government has strayed far afield from its legitimate business...confine our Federal expenditures to the legitimate obligations and functions of the Federal Government…the fabric of our constitutional form of government…tends to be gradually weakened and undermined by this encroachment."

                  "We cannot improve the condition of the people or reform human nature by intruding the Nation into the affairs of the States or despoiling the people of their business."

                  "I would like it if the country could think as little as possible about the Government and give their time and attention more undividedly about the conduct of the private business of the country."

                  "An expanding prosperity requires that the largest possible amount...be invested in productive enterprise under the direction of the best personal ability. This will not be done if the rewards of such action are largely taken away by taxation."

                  "The wise and correct course to follow in taxation and all other economic legislation is not to destroy those who have already secured success but to create conditions under which everyone will have a better chance to be successful."

                  "After order and liberty, economy is one of the highest essentials of a free government."

                  "I favor the policy of economy...because I wish to save people...Economy is idealism in its most practical form."

                  "The success of the Government does not lie in wringing all the revenue it can from the people, but in making their burden as light and fairly distributed as possible."

                  "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration has been minding my own business."

                  "The people cannot look to legislation generally for success."

                  "We have got so many regulatory laws already...we would be just as well off if we didn’t have any more."

                  "Whenever the state of the Treasury can permit, I believe in a reduction of taxes. But I am not advocating tax reduction merely for the benefit of the taxpayer; I am advocating it for the benefit of the country."

                  Calvin Coolidge closely adhered to America’s founding principles, making Independence Day an appropriate time to rediscover his understanding that ubiquitous government intervention in our lives is a massive and growing problem, not a panacea.
                   
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                    :eek3: dayum them some pretty good numbers....what's amazing is the 0.4 inflation against that kind of growth and those are "real" unemployment figures unlike the retooled one of the last couple decades.
                     
                  • EyeDocGator

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                    It's not amazing. Low inflation happens when the government doesn't print a lot of money or lower interest rates below where they would be in a free market. Lowering taxes and reducing government regulation virtually always results in improved economic growth. This is contrary to the consensus of the economics profession over the past century. We shouldn't have to rediscover obvious truths that were well known a hundred years ago.
                     
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                    Agreed. Recent economics has also misled the masses as to the actual "value" of money. The education system and government do a poor job imo of educating people of causes and effects of low vs. high interest rates....They almost never explain the benefits of higher rate periods. but love to romance the notion that lower rates "make your dollar go further" without showing the time vs. money or devaluation caused by inflation, factors....it's turned us into a nation of too much consuming and not enough saving for working class people.
                     
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                      A problem even back then, it's an exponentially increased nightmare today.
                       
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                      Keep cool with Calvin. He tried to save the country and is probably the best Republican President.
                       
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                        Do you have a book you'd recommend on him?
                         
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                        The Coolidge biography by Shlaes is interesting. It shows Calvin was initially a Progressive when that misguided philosophy became popular in the 1880s. Once he realized the ramifications he became the anti-Progressive. This is rather dry reading and it's hard to recommend. The 9 Presidents who Screwed Up book is more fun to read. Coolidge is one of the four who tried to save the country and is only a small part of this book.



                         
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                          Looks spot on.

                          Not sure we can add Obama to the list. He is the only Marxist friendly (at least) on the list but in the end his administration was lazy and they didnt accomplish much.
                           
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                          Coolidge got his ass beaten down by Clinton.....CLINTON! I lost all respect.

                           

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