Harvard Faces DOJ Probe Over Affirmative-Action Policies

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  1. Gatoravatara

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    "The Justice Department has opened an investigation into the use of race in Harvard University’s admissions practices and has accused the university of failing to cooperate with the probe, according to documents reviewed by The Wall Street Journal."


    Lol. This should end well.
     
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    I think that is going on at a lot more places than Harvard where Asians are being held to a higher standard than others to get in.
     
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    They tried this in UCLA and Cal. It use to have a nice diverse population. Then this white person sued, saying a black took his spot. Then they changed it to blind admissions, not considering anything but scores and gpa. UCLA is now 40%+ Asian, and in 3 years will be the outright majority. Cal is already 50%+ Asian. Asians are 5% of the population. And the difference between ths scores in blacks and white have drastically narrowed. Now whites say this is unfair and want to change it back so that test scores are not important. This is ironic. I guess whites want more Asians at Harvard. But that is what is going to happen. Lol. The changing of the AA rule in California has filtered down at the corporate level. I used to work for Activation in beautiful Santa Monica. It was probably 45% Asian. The last company was about 40% Asian. I say they should go for it. They should do it for Florida as well. They should target the athletes who test lower. We can turn Florida Asian, while getting rid of our football program. Do we even have a football program?
     
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    Any form of “affirmative action” is racist.
     
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    We should adopt affirmative action in college sports.
     
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    Do you think athletes should cut in line at UF or should they be replaced by Asians?
     
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    Take the best students. Set the standard and stick with it and remove race and gender from the equation.......period.
     
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    So you dont agree with us having a football team? Why is ok for athletes to get accepted, when their SAT scores are much lower?
     
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    Why do you hate Asians, avatar?
     
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    Why do you hate black athletes, avatar?
     
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    I don't think college admissions should be based solely on test scores and grade point average. There should be other things that go into the equation. I also don't believe they should let anyone in just to meet some pre-determined quota. Race should play a part in the admissions decisions. I believe that competitive colleges should admit students that have a good chance of doing the required college work. We have too many people going to college. For students who don't meet minimum requirements at the most competitive colleges there are plenty of other colleges they can attend and have a successful career.

    In the 19th century colleges were for the training of learned men in the arts and sciences and for entry into professions of medicine, law, teaching, and the ministry. There were schools like the military academies and others that concentrated in engineering. Now, of course, a lot of students major in business administration and things like building construction, journalism, hotel management, athletic traineeship, and a lot of other things as far out as gender studies. Athletes at major college programs, in my opinion, should be able to earn college credit for participation in competitive sports. I'm serious. Major college athletics is as much a business at major programs as is banking and finance. These athletes should be given some type of university credit for their investment and not just put out on the street with no degree or certificate for it. We are offering degrees already in majors that have no relation to traditional academic pursuits such as film making. I am not saying that a movie director doesn't have talent or intelligence. Clearly they do. But just like the college athlete they aren't majoring in Latin. Just stop the charade by making the elite athletes take classes in sociology classes like "Marriage and the Family" in order to stay academically eligible to participate in sports.
     
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    Link what is this about??
     
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    OK then what should it be based on? Can't be based on race, that's not fair to whites, the majority. Can't be based on test scores and ability, even that is unfair to whites since asians work to harder and have better SAT and GPA, due to family values placing priority on education (or maybe you subscribe to higher IQ philosophy that is not fair. Maybe it should be I.Q. adjusted?). So what the hell is it ok to be based on?

    Perhaps you think demographics should be equally represented and within that class, top test score, most diverse with extracurriculars and clubs, volunteer hours and community involvement based on community representative percentages? That would seem fair for equal community representation....for your interest this day.... until whites are a minority. Seems, as a white, nothing is fair that discriminates against whites, even ability and hard work. All I heard when railing against black or female admissions was should be based on "merit", they have less ability but are preferred. Proved female admissions were based on merit. So now there is equal proof asians have merit based admission which is also not fair wa, wa, wa.

    I teach my kids to work their but off, get as many volunteer hours as possible both for the good of the community, and who they are, as well as improving their chances for college admission. I put them in SAT prep courses, ride them about grades, but now merit based admission are wrong? What should I push them to? Isn't America based on hard work and merit?
     
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    Who said anything about complaining when Asians excelled in test scores therefore reducing white enrollment? Not me. In fact, I’ve only stated that if the intent is for everyone to be treated equally then everyone has to play by the same rules. The student who gets the highest scores should be rewarded for their efforts, not because of their skin color or chromosome. We purposely handicap our society’s ability to advance by eliminating those who would be contributing at a greater intellectual level simply because they’re the wrong color or sex. It’s counterproductive & promotes marginalization. Frankly, it’s a cornerstone of a socialist/communist society.
     
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    And it's not :
    I have called several Ivy leagues and get the same thing. Why??? I have a weird 151 iq kid who blew out the sats at 13. Harvard most specifically, says that is NOT ONE component. They look at volunteer hours, community involvement, and well rounded extracurriculars. They prefer an IB or kid with lots of honors and AP to "Palm Harbor medical IB" quote. They want well rounded capable kids to not come in with a bias to for example medicine. The want them well prepared but open and inquisitive.

    I know this cuz I have a kid who might go (he will likely choose Valdosta, ughhhh, for a scholarship in drama cuz that is what light shim up) as opposed to MIT in physics (his God given math propensity) . Ironically hates math which he never studies for and corrects his calculus teacher when the question is wrong as a junior. He is a math prodigy or lazy. Think about it reading learning and studying a subject requires effort Math you get or don't. He gets it. But to make him want to try otherwise it is a really talented teacher or a really interesting subject.

    So how do we choose, back to my previous post if not based on GPA and test scores what then???
     
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    And it's not :
    I have called several Ivy leagues and get the same thing. Why??? I have a weird 151 iq kid who blew out the sats at 13. Harvard most specifically, says that is NOT ONE component. They look at volunteer hours, community involvement, and well rounded extracurriculars. They prefer an IB or kid with lots of honors and AP to "Palm Harbor medical IB" quote. They want well rounded capable kids to not come in with a bias to for example medicine. The want them well prepared but open and inquisitive.

    I know this cuz I have a kid who might go (he will likely choose Valdosta, ughhhh, for a scholarship in drama cuz that is what light shim up) as opposed to MIT in physics (his God given math propensity) . Ironically hates math which he never studies for and corrects his calculus teacher when the question is wrong as a junior. He is a math prodigy or lazy. Think about it reading learning and studying a subject requires effort Math you get or don't. He gets it. But to make him want to try otherwise it is a really talented teacher or a really interesting subject.

    So how do we choose, back to my previous post if not based on GPA and test scores what then???
     
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    See above repeated in response to your "who said anything about Asians. You admit admissions should be merit based some don't see above.
     
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    Slug I fcuking hate people.

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    Why?
     
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    Oh I don't. I am just stating facts.
     
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    I just want people to be consistent. People who are against AA, should first go after the athletes, because they generally have the lowest scores. But they don't. Why is that?
     

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