How bad is coaching in the SEC?

[Swamp Donkey]

Hard to say as Bama seems to not like to open things up hardly at all when playing LSU usually.

Why would you when you know that the other team isn't likely to score much at all.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

Agree. What's even more mind numbing is that it's been proven time and again that what gives him the most trouble is a mobile QB that can hurt them with his legs, in a dynamic offense. Manziel, Cam, Watson, Tebow, Kelly, even the kid from Aub. All in spread, exciting offenses. (This is really true with Fisher and the noles as well)

Fatford threw for 400 yards. Manziel threw for 300. Watson threw for 420. SOS beat them with fvkking Gamecawk talent. Those aren't the products of running QBs. Fatford and Gamecawks QB didn't run. aTm is a spread but it's a pass first spread. Clempson is a spread formation running mostly vertical routes (ala Rodriguez/Tommy Bowden). Pretty much every team except Arky in the west has a a running QB and they all fvkking lose.

Bammer is paper soft vs. the PASS (assuming you can withstand the pass rush). I don't know how it isn't clearly evident to everyone.

Yet Saban somehow Jedi mindtricks these programs into this idea that the only way to beat him is line up and play his game, the one thing that's almost never successful against him. It's bizarre.

Bizarre isn't CLOSE to being a strong enough of a word. But it's the product of a bunch of clueless ADs trying to hire Lil Saban clones who also run a 1950s offense.

 

[Durty South Swamp]

Bamas weakness is downfield passing and has been for a while. But this requires an oline that can block longer than 2 seconds. Teams that pass downfield on bama win.

 

[soflagator]

Fatford threw for 400 yards. Manziel threw for 300. Watson threw for 420. SOS beat them with fvkking Gamecawk talent. Those aren't the products of running QBs. Fatford and Gamecawks QB didn't run. aTm is a spread but it's a pass first spread. Clempson is a spread formation running mostly vertical routes (ala Rodriguez/Tommy Bowden). Pretty much every team except Arky in the west has a a running QB and they all fvkking lose.

Bammer is paper soft vs. the PASS (assuming you can withstand the pass rush). I don't know how it isn't clearly evident to everyone.


Bizarre isn't CLOSE to being a strong enough of a word. But it's the product of a bunch of clueless ADs trying to hire Lil Saban clones who also run a 1950s offense.

So we're totally dismissing Manziel's 32 rushes for 190 yards in those 2 games? I'm sure several were broken plays and avoiding sacks, but his mobility was without question a major factor.

Watson, 41 rushes for 116 yards in 2 games? No bearing on their success?

Should I really continue? Yes Spurrier won an isolated game with Garcia, largely because he's Spurrier. Stafford was playing from a massive hole in a blowout loss and has a rare arm. I'd be shocked if he puts up those numbers in a tighter game.

I'm not saying we should go run-first on offense. But minimizing the QB's mobility in these games is absurd.

 

[GatorJB]

Well 8 of the 14 coaches have 5 or less years of head coaching experience. Throw in the fact that some of the more tenured coaches are in Mississippi schools and UT hasn't hired a good coach in decades, then yes, that stat is not surprising.

 

[t-gator]

Bamas weakness is downfield passing and has been for a while. But this requires an oline that can block longer than 2 seconds. Teams that pass downfield on bama win.

Because they put their corners on an island and dline is built to stop the run.

 

[gardnerwebbgator]

When a school like LSU hires a colossal fool like Ed O as their HC, the conference takes a beating.

Imagine a coach like Peterson or Fuente with that talent? Saban would begin to worry.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

So we're totally dismissing Manziel's 32 rushes for 190 yards in those 2 games? I'm sure several were broken plays and avoiding sacks, but his mobility was without question a major factor.

Watson, 41 rushes for 116 yards in 2 games? No bearing on their success

Im saying that their 300-400 yards of passing is the common ingredient and that the 50-85 yards of rushing isnt.

 

[soflagator]

When a school like LSU hires a colossal fool like Ed O as their HC, the conference takes a beating.

Imagine a coach like Peterson or Fuente with that talent? Saban would begin to worry.

Nonsense. Ed O was a fantastic hire, he's a fantastic coach. They're lucky he was still available and should lock him up for years to come.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

Nonsense. Ed O was a fantastic hire, he's a fantastic coach. They're lucky he was still available and should lock him up for years to come.

You know, I know your kidding, but he actually scares me more than Les Miles ever did. I think ogre is at least as a strong of a recruiter and still has all the Louisiana recruiting benefits. If he actually allows Canada to run the offense, then they could become a problem for us and the West.

 

[soflagator]

Im saying that their 300-400 yards of passing is the common ingredient and that the 50-85 yards of rushing isnt.

Not sure we're as far apart on this as you think. I'm not debating the passing element of things. But how many of those passing yards were created by a) the QBs threat to run, keeping a safety at bay, and b) the QB eluding defenders and making something happen.

The two absolutely go hand in hand.

 

[soflagator]

You know, I know your kidding, but he actually scares me more than Les Miles ever did. I think ogre is at least as a strong of a recruiter and still has all the Louisiana recruiting benefits. If he actually allows Canada to run the offense, then they could become a problem for us and the West.

I said in my first post, he is still an unknown. It's easy to complete dismiss hm but it doesn't totally mean he's a definitive step down. Time will tell and the OM collapse certainly helps.

I say he's done in 3 though.

 

[NVGator]

It will more than likely remain that way until Saban retires.

All of this.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

Not sure we're as far apart on this as you think. I'm not debating the passing element of things. But how many of those passing yards were created by a) the QBs threat to run, keeping a safety at bay, and b) the QB eluding defenders and making something happen.

The two absolutely go hand in hand.

They can, and yet they didnt with Fatford and USCe for sure.

We need an accurafe gamechanging passer. if he happens to be able to run also, great. If not, oh well, that's what the RBs are for.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

I said in my first post, he is still an unknown. It's easy to complete dismiss hm but it doesn't totally mean he's a definitive step down. Time will tell and the OM collapse certainly helps.

I say he's done in 3 though.

I suspect you are right but he at least has a chance to do something other than run a 1950s Meatchicken offense.

 

[T REX]

I'll be surprised if Bama ever wins another game. We have it all figured out right here at GC.

 

[rogdochar]

Clemson started doing this in the second half with their blitz packages and pash rush lanes, limiting his ability to "take off" seemed to work for them. I don't think Hurst will last long as the starter this year. He's learning a new offense that requires a lot of defensive reads. So I think he struggles, especially against the Nolies and that will throw off his entire season as it will get in his head...

nope, the University of Alabama student-athletes are recruited based on nothing ever getting into their heads.