Interesting Article about rationalism in politics

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    #2 AlexDaGator, Feb 10, 2018
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          My bad. :embarrassed:

          Fixed it (hopefully).

          It’s an Andrew Sullivan article but amongst a few wrongs he nails some big rights. A little self awareness from the left is welcome.


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          I think Sullivan nails it pretty well. But I think the loudest on campus's are not close to the majority. Most realize the investment is real and are serious students now. The social, gender, identity politics is for those with less study and work time. But I'm not gay, black or female.
          I guess he was having fun there.....but i digress. Free speech was easier when there was less of it and less chance that everyone could (almost) be heard. So now with everyone involved and speaking you have to be louder and more shocking. I think many of us know a DT person with no filter. But it is worse than that. He strokes the fear and anger in all those people that are feeling compromised and discounted. Much like those women, gays and blacks. He chose a side and began painting those pictures that scare people. Im not a big fan of fear mongers and that "us against them" sh#t. He has tapped into those old fears and basest emotions. His rallies had a mob mentality.
          I hope it works out for all of us.
           
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          How exactly does he do that? I mean, i know that's what the MSM tells you to think, but what exactly has he done that strokes fear and anger?
           
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            verbatim:
            tombstones., carnage. Remember all the Mexican rapists?
            are you laughing yet. Ask him about his business dealings in other countries He says this but the bottom line is his ideology.

            Promoting fear and anger works and got him elected. Divisive politics was his mainstay.
            Fear the press cause they are lying to you. Trust me I AM NOW the government. I care about you.
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            An interesting read but it reveals just how much further liberal "journalists" are going to have to go to understand why folks support Trump. This author, while bravely leaving his liberal enclave with the anti-Trump echo chamber, brought along his media-basis irrational beliefs about Trump.

            I've certainly seen nothing from Trump to suggest he is a racist. As far as lying, I think that, while far from perfect, he is far more credible than fake news purveyors like CNN. "Attacks on the free press" look a lot like exercise of the president's first amendment rights and criticism of activist judges is quite appropriate.
             
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              A lot of honorable Americans support Trump. That's what the left can't understand.
               
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                So you mean being honest with people? Have there not been many, many cases involving Mexican nationals/ DACA recipients and murder, drugs, human smuggling and rape? I mean it's not like he's spreading division by calling AMERICANS bitter clingers, racist, xenophobic deplorabls right? The people committing these crimes are the ones who generate fear and anger. Not the politician who acknowledges it.
                 
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                  Here’s what you’re missing Coach.

                  Trump just happened like 5 minutes ago.

                  Every single thing you accuse him of has been happening on the Left on college campuses and in lefty enclaves like San Fransisco for years. Trump isn’t causing this division. He’s the response to what the Left has been doing long before Trump was anything more than a reality game show host. Even before that.

                  Liberals concede the lunacy on college campus. And no, it’s not limited to the fringe. That’s the scary part. It is mainstream among students and faculty and as those students join the workforce and government it is spreading.

                  One of the reasons Trump is president is because people saw that and wanted somebody to stop it.

                  Every single thing you accuse Trump of is standard on college campus. Trump is the response.


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                  Again, I don’t agree with all their characterizations. Disagree with most to be honest. I post the articles because there are some truths there being acknowledged by those on the Left. There is some common ground, some areas of agreement. I don’t want to live in an echo chamber. I want to hear what smart (and hopefully intellectually honest) people who disagree with me think.


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                    I guess liberals are showing some slow progress but not much. Now, instead of thinking Trump and everyone who supports him are racists, they assume that Trump is a racist and everyone who supports him is somehow delusional about his racism.

                    How do liberals explain members of the CBC showing no emotion whatsoever about the improved working conditions for black people in America over the past year? CBC members are privileged in terms of wealth, power and status thanks to their race but don't see to want their fellow blacks to improve their own condition.
                     
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                    “There is another class of colored people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. ... Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs ... There is a certain class of race-problem solvers who don’t want the patient to get well.”
                     
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                    You mean the tactics that the left has been using for the last 40 years? Alex is right, he's the response to what has been going way longer that Trumps been around.
                     

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