Jimbo: ACC is the premier conference in college football

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  1. rogdochar

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    IMHO FSU beats us not because they are in the stronger conference but because they out-recruit us for the state of Florida's top players. How & when can that be reversed. I think Dalvin Cook showed the prevailing HSers opinion that UF football is a laughingshock. And are we getting out of that quicksand or not?
     
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    The SEC has undergone massive turn over at the coaching positions. It's Saban and a bunch of oompa loompa's. Did you by chance see my posts on the SEC losing almost 500 wins when Richt, SOS and Miles left? Urban is another 150+. Franklin was a damn good coach. Pinkel won the East twice(when is was much better) and he's gone.

    WHat have you done for me lately?
     
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      Actually, one good season does not equal dominance; Let the ACC win 3 or 4 NC's in the coming 5 or 6 years and then they can brag. But no question, the SEC really needs to turn up its game.
       
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        That's another key point in the ACC's favor right now. When Mediocre Mac is battling Mullen for second best coach in the league, you know the league is devoid of talented coaches. The ACC has Dabo, Jumbo, Petrino, Cutcliff, Richt and Fedora. I think all of them are better than anything in the SEC other than Saban, obviously.
         
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          ACC may just be a 2 team conference but that's better then the 1 team SEC.

          As long as SEC schools hire Saban disciples it won't be changing.
           
          • alcoholica

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            The two ACC titles were due in no small part to two QBs. In FSUs case I may even give more credit to Kelvin Benjamin. They need Elite QBs to win. Who has Bama been winning with? Who did LSU win with? One of ours was Leak and while he was good, was not Elite. In fact the only elite QBs that come to mind are Tebow and Newton
             
          • MidwestChomp

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            DOn't know what he'll say, but hope it looks something like this

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            • Okeechobee Joe

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              Jimbo and FSU go together. But nobody went together as good as FSU and Bobby Bowden. That's a low rent rendezvous right there.
               
              • GatorInGeorgia

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                The ACC coaches are what they are and nothing changes that...regardless of whether the SEC keeps or loses every coach in the conference. To be the premier conference in the land, you have to earn it on the field rather than by having a certain list of coaches, which is your premise. Having 2 NCs in the past 11 years compared to the SEC's 8 of 11 doesn't cut it. If they add a few more NCs in the immediate future (let's say 2 of the next 3) then I'd agree that they would be top dog but not yet.

                On a side note, using Mark Richt to bolster your argument is just plain stupid. He was an also ran in the SEC until he was fired! You actually used to laugh at him when he was our opponent, as did I and many others. Now that he's in the ACC, you think he's suddenly a coach worthy of praise?? And of course we lost a lot of wins when SOS, Miles and others left but some of these guys were successful but old coaches who were HCs for 25 or so years and whose best days were long behind them. The ACC lost about 500 wins with the losses of guys like Frank Beamer, Tom O'Brien and Jim Grobe. The truth, though, is that even when those 3 ACC coaches were still coaching in the ACC, the ACC wasn't the premier conference in football...and it's still not, regardless of what Jimbo or you say.
                 
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                  This is very well stated. I'll freely admit that the gap between the SEC and anyone else is substantially less than it was during the 2005-2012 period, and that the ACC is probably as close as it's ever been. But I think it's a stretch to call it the premier conference because 2 teams have had great seasons over the past few years. Saying the SEC is Alabama and a bunch of "mehhh" type of programs is pretty accurate. But no more accurate than saying the ACC is Clemson and the noles, then a bunch of "meehh" programs of their own. Fedora was beaten by Smart in Kirby's first game as a HC. Louisville lost to Uk. I get that you can't put too much into one particular game. But then you'd have to apply the same standard to Clemson and their win over Alabama, which is really what the basis of this whole argument.

                  Someone above nailed it when saying that it required more than a brief run, or a few titles. A few years ago, this argument was all over the talk shows, but with the Pac12 as the supposed new best conference. That ended, and this likely will as well. If they do continue to have this level of success, then so be it. But it's way too early, and just a toolbag coach being a toolbag. Little more.

                  I'd actually argue that if Nebraska can get their act together, and assuming Harbaugh continues doing well(and stays put), the B10 could make as much or more of an argument as the ACC.

                  And are some really STILL claiming the East was markedly better in 2013 and 2014 than it has been the past 2 seasons? That has been debunked repeatedly. Pinkel may be a better coach than the guy Mizzou has now, but their winning the East in those seasons is somehow lauded, while our winning the East of the past 2 seasons is completely dismissed. That's ridiculous.
                   
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                  • Swamp Donkey

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                    The east sucked then and sucks even more now.

                    I don't know anyone who thinks Pinkel or Mizzu was any better than average.
                     
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                      And every day Mac sinks to his knees and thanks God that it does.
                       
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                        I was referring to TRex's assertion that the East was much better in '13 and '14 than it is now, making Pinkel's departure a blow to the division. No matter how many times that mantra is repeated to diminish what little Mac has accomplished, it still won't suddenly become accurate. It was clearly a bad division then and it remains that way. I just think it's silly to, in one breath, praise Pinkel for winning the East in 2013 and '14(by 1 game), and in the next assign all credit for Mac's winning it twice(by 2 games) to the condition of the division.
                         
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                          OK. I wasn't aware of anyone praising Pinkel. Didn't Pinkel lose to Ball State or someone like that one of his two SEC "East (Trophyless) Championships"? I mention Pinkel, but only to emphasize how little winning the current East means.
                           
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                          Winning the East at Mizzou was a major accomplishment. Winning at UF is to be expected.
                           
                        • soflagator

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                          Zero argument from me on that. But that wasn't his statement, nor is it the reason Mac winning the East is so often scoffed at. There has been a consistent theme with certain ones here that the East just started sucking the past two seasons, thereby eliminating any possibility that JM might--and I emphasize might--be a decent HC afterall, and if nothing else, is a step above the last clown we had. It simply isn't reality. The East is bad. But outside of 2012, it has been since Tebow left. Usce, a weak uga team in 2011, and Mizzou have all taken turns being pummeled in Atl during that stretch.

                          As I've said, there are a host of reasons for concern about Mac. I count myself among those that are on the fence about whether or not he's actually the guy for UF. I have trouble listening to him in press conferences, and discovered this week that reading the transcripts of said press conferences is even more brutal. His recruiting leaves a lot to be desired, and is baffling at times. All real reasons. Creating a false narrative that the East went from 2005-2009 form to it's current state the moment he took over, is not.
                           
                          • MJMGator

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                            I'm not on the fence. I think he's in way over his head.
                             
                          • T REX

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                            Wrong...the data was already posted. Feel free to use the search engine on GC. It is fact the division was more difficult back then. Only idiots would claim otherwise. F ing maroons.
                             
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                            The East teams recorded a collective record of 101-77 in '13 and '14.

                            The same teams were 95-83 in '15 and '16.

                            You are correct. Across seven teams and over the course of 2 full seasons, there is a 6 game difference. Undoubtedly, that's the only reason we've had any success the past two years under Mac. In retrospect, it should be a considered a minor miracle that Pinkel and Co managed to navigate the absolute gauntlet that was the SECE at that time.
                             

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