Meet Mediocre Stricklin

[jdh5484]

You toolbags are hilarious. Yes pretend that winning [recruiting] at South Carolina or Duke is similar to winning [recruiting] at UF.

Hell, lets also pretend that Dabo won anything before [ talent drain caused by Addazio and ] Chump insisted on sending all talented offensive players to Clemson or somewhere else.

No dingbat, I'm saying, not implying, that landing a great class at Florida (or Texas) is a given and landing a #10 class at South Carolina or South Carolina Junior Orange Tiggers or Duke or any other shytty school is the best class they've had in 50 years.

Finally, yes, Muschimp (and Addazio) at UF have directly lead to sending basically every offensive bluechipper that Clemson (and several others) have landed in the least few years.

Is that clear enough? I typed really slow for you.

Maybe instead of typing slow, you can take a breath from your constant spewing and make your point in the OP. I fixed your original post.

Or, you can continue to spew.

Your first point is poppycock.

Agree 100% on your second point. Clemson has owned NE Florida and other parts since Addazio. A bunch of other programs have infiltrated Florida too. So how does Mac wave his magic wand and fix at least 6 years of offensive pilfering?

 

[jdh5484]

That wont cut it in the SEC with the wear and tear of going against many teams loaded with blue chippers during the year. Despite their recent success the ACC doesnt have the same issue there.

I agree. That is the major difference. It comes down to quality depth. McChewin and Co. have a steep hill to climb. Having a top 10-15 recruiting class this year won't get us the SEC next year (although the schedule is favorable) but it isn't the end of the world either. IMO, we have to produce some offense on the field before we can get the blue chippers on that side. How?

 

[Swamp Donkey]

Your first point is poppycock.

I'm reading that using you Benny Hill voice.

I must admit, I can't think of the last time I saw someone use the work poppycock. Do you also call people wankers?

 

[jdh5484]

I'm reading that using you Benny Hill voice.

I must admit, I can't think of the last time I saw someone use the work poppycock. Do you also call people wankers?

No, I don't call people wankers. Good word though.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

To be fair, it was Queenie using the term, and an insult from Queenie is still a compliment.

 

[ChiefGator]

I've thought for awhile now that at least part of what goes on generates from the UAA and universtiy and that to some extent these circumstances limit Mac. As noted already, he has stated his frustration with lack of adeuqate support- very publicly and pointedly. To me, this speaks of having considerable doubts and discouragement that he will be able to get the support he needs without making the public aware there is an issue

And that was not a good sign.

Keep this is mind while you all are evviserating him. and consider if there might be some of these factors at play behind the scenes that effect recruiting and hires. For instance, if he can't get the money for salaries that will cause potential coaches to refuse offers their current employer throws at them or offer to coaches he really wants, it shapes who we get.

I knew it was likely not going to be good with Fooley keeping an office and hanging around involved in whatever, and the provision that Foley's minions not be fired. How many people would agree to this?

If this is true and private conversations don't work he should find another job more to his liking. That is what folks in the private sector do, or they find a way to succeed anyway. Now the new AD has a large job to do, find a way to raise the money we require. We are not going to borrow like others have.

 

[Gator Fever]

I agree 100%. That is the major difference. McChewin and Co. have a steep hill to climb. Having a top 10-15 recruiting class this year won't get us the SEC next year (although the schedule is favorable) but it isn't the end of the world either. IMO, we have to produce some offense on the field before we can get the blue chippers on that side. How?

Well we have a few players on offense now so its whether Mac gets one of the QBs going and gets the defensive recruiting back up again. That the defense is missing on needs is the biggest sign its a coaching recruiting issue also.

 

[ThreatMatrix]

http://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/lsu-football/report-lsu-coordinators-will-make-3-million-combined/

Report: LSU coordinators will make more than $3 million combined

LSU is not pinching pennies when it comes to paying its assistants. The Tigers made defensive coordinator Dave Aranda the highest-paid assistant in college football with a raise to $1.8 million in December, and a new report says that offensive coordinator Matt Canada’s salary isn’t far behind.

For comparison Collins was paid $890k and Nuss $515k

 

[Gatorbait_007]

It's funny people keep using Clemson's ranking to show recruiting doesn't matter.

First per ESPN not 247 they were 4th and 9th the last 2 years.

Second look at the total number of recruits in their classes. They sign on average 21-23 kids a class. Teams ranked higher on average had a range of 25-27 some went up to 30. Their biggest class the last 6 years had 26 commits and finished 4th per ESPN. If they sign 3 more 4 stars a class like they could've they are top 10 every year the last 5 years. Their ranking is based strictly on total numbers not talent level.

Third look at how they recruit against their conference. They have been 2nd behind FSU every year except 1 the last 6 years. We are finishing 5th through 12th.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

Now the new AD has a large job to do, find a way to raise the money we require. We are not going to borrow like others have.

LOL. We've been making a 20 million plus profit forever. Why the hell do you think we need to RAISE money?

All we need is a competent AD.

There won't be any RAISING money for a while. Ticket sales and merchandise will continue to fall as will contributions.

 

[jdh5484]

Well we have a few players on offense now so its whether Mac gets one of the QBs going and gets the defensive recruiting back up again. That the defense is missing on needs is the biggest sign its a coaching recruiting issue also.

I agree with you there too. This is an important recruiting class for the Program. It's a pivotal class. IMO, it's not about stars. It's about finding some difference makers in the right combinations. And it's about continuing to build depth. But all this hand wringing is wasted energy. We'll find out on NSD. I'm hoping they (Mac and Co) pull off a signing day coup (which would be signing 24 (or whatever the max is) and getting a top 15 class and getting a couple of potential offensive game changers (punt returner specialist (aka James) or a burner (aka Demps). Fingers crossed.

Then we have to worry about the QB. :(

 

[Okeechobee Joe]

It's all about stars. At least where winning championships is concerned. The teams who sign a higher ratio of 4 or 5 star recruits compared to 2 or 3 star recruits dominate those teams who have a lower ratio. It is almost a certainty in the way the laws of physics are a certainty.

Out of the 128 FBS football programs the great majority have no chance of winning the national championship. None. But football is still an interesting game and fans are going to support their teams, to a more or lesser extent, even if they have no chance of winning a championship. But the twenty percent or so programs that do comprise all the teams that even have a chance, although some albeit a very slight chance. have the highest ratios of 4 or 5 star recruits.

It's the middle of the road, or lesser, programs that look for a diamond in the rough such as a Dak Prescott. I guarantee you that Nick Saban does not go looking for diamonds in the rough. Sure, in a particular game the best team doesn't always win. A good team can play down to its opponent on a given Saturday and can end up losing. It happens all the time. A good coach can maybe earn your team an extra win or two whereas a poor coach can cost you a few games.

But if you are going to play at the highest level the name of the game, the bottom line, or whatever else cliche you can come up with, is recruiting. Do you think Nick Saban could win a national championship with Wake Forest players? No way. What about with a better team such as Arkansas just to pick a team? No way. What about with a really good team with a lot of blue chip recruits say Ohio State? Maybe. Clemson? Yes.

http://www.sbnation.com/college-foo...8/12530108/ncaa-football-best-recruiters-2016

 

[jdh5484]

It's all about stars. At least where winning championships is concerned. The teams who sign a higher ratio of 4 or 5 star recruits compared to 2 or 3 star recruits dominate those teams who have a lower ratio. It is almost a certainty in the way the laws of physics are a certainty.

Out of the 128 FBS football programs the great majority have no chance of winning the national championship. None. But football is still an interesting game and fans are going to support their teams, to a more or lesser extent, even if they have no chance of winning a championship. But the twenty percent or so programs that do comprise all the teams that even have a chance, although some albeit a very slight chance. have the highest ratios of 4 or 5 star recruits.

It's the middle of the road, or lesser, programs that look for a diamond in the rough such as a Dak Prescott. I guarantee you that Nick Saban does not go looking for diamonds in the rough. Sure, in a particular game the best team doesn't always win. A good team can play down to its opponent on a given Saturday and can end up losing. It happens all the time. A good coach can maybe earn your team an extra win or two whereas a poor coach can cost you a few games.

But if you are going to play at the highest level the name of the game, the bottom line, or whatever else cliche you can come up with, is recruiting. Do you think Nick Saban could win a national championship with Wake Forest players? No way. What about with a better team such as Arkansas just to pick a team? No way. What about with a really good team with a lot of blue chip recruits say Ohio State? Maybe. Clemson? Yes.

http://www.sbnation.com/college-foo...8/12530108/ncaa-football-best-recruiters-2016

Interesting.

Take a look at his 2014 - he has UF in the top 9/11 bluechip school. Texas is 6/11.

http://www.sbnation.com/college-foo...llege-football-recruiting-teams-championships

Florida: 54 percent (16 percent worse '13-14 than '11-12)
Florida is by far the most talented team that had a losing record in 2013. There's good reason why Will Muschamp is also on the hot seat. A terrible 4-8 season with a loss to then-FCS Georgia Southern will do that.​

It's not ALL about stars.

Having 4/5 star recruits, great coaches and great facilities is going to get you near the top. There's no debate.

But how do you take the dumpster fire that Muschamp left and showed on the field, our pathetic offense since 2008 and outdated facilities and go out and sign a class full of 4 and 5 stars. Could Saban do it before he won his first NC at LSU? Could Meyer do it coming from Utah? Possibly. But those two guys are in their own league when it comes to recruiting.

I think fans need to get a grip.
(LOL ... don't hit me...)

 

[oxking]

Totally. Let's hope the powers that be do not allow mediocrity, where it counts, for many years to a point that he is declared a legend.

There was no reason to expect a guy coming out of Starkville, for heavens sake, not be mediocre and he WAS hired by Fooley. MSU has been living on 2-3 star players and mediocrity for years. The expectations for the AD was set by the then present Admin. The guy has always seemed milktoast to me and just that fact that he would tweet such blarney proves he's both a loser and a nitwit.

 

[GBHOR]

There was no reason to expect a guy coming out of Starkville, for heavens sake, not be mediocre and he WAS hired by Fooley. MSU has been living on 2-3 star players and mediocrity for years. The expectations for the AD was set by the then present Admin. The guy has always seemed milktoast to me and just that fact that he would tweet such blarney proves he's both a loser and a nitwit.

Blarney

 

[Gator Fever]

There was no reason to expect a guy coming out of Starkville, for heavens sake, not be mediocre and he WAS hired by Fooley. MSU has been living on 2-3 star players and mediocrity for years. The expectations for the AD was set by the then present Admin. The guy has always seemed milktoast to me and just that fact that he would tweet such blarney proves he's both a loser and a nitwit.

I am afraid you are probably right. We will find out when we dont have a top 5 SEC recruiting class and lose 5 games if he doesnt act.

 

[Durty South Swamp]

His point is coaches should recruit talent and compatibility with the program, not just look at star ratings. Star ratings are for the fans only.

And he just felt compelled to bring this up randomly, for no reason at all? Try again. This statement is an attempt to justify or at least placate mac's poor recruiting ability. As Ox already said, it wouldn't even been a topic of conversation if we were actually doing what all know we should be doing.

 

[stephenPE]

OUR AD said the "wrong thing"..............bring me a glock to end it all...............
This thread is so full of nonsense I thought I was reading the Onion. His point was so simple. BIG stars in your eyes boys.............they are not the end all be all of a program...........Yes, bama is very successful cause the get TOP RATED players every year..............you want him to step in and be bama right away..............aint gonna happen. Anyone catch the Clemson walk on catch the game winning TD against the 5 stars...............I used to watch recruiting and take it very seriously and then saw those highly rated guys disappear and those 2-3s improve up to what would be called 5 stars,.................gimme kids that want to be here and not the supersuper stars that have been called Gods since 15 and come to just leave when the NFL calls...................

 

[Gator98MD]

OUR AD said the "wrong thing"..............bring me a glock to end it all...............
This thread is so full of nonsense I thought I was reading the Onion. His point was so simple. BIG stars in your eyes boys.............they are not the end all be all of a program...........Yes, bama is very successful cause the get TOP RATED players every year..............you want him to step in and be bama right away..............aint gonna happen. Anyone catch the Clemson walk on catch the game winning TD against the 5 stars...............I used to watch recruiting and take it very seriously and then saw those highly rated guys disappear and those 2-3s improve up to what would be called 5 stars,.................gimme kids that want to be here and not the supersuper stars that have been called Gods since 15 and come to just leave when the NFL calls...................

cool story coach. Bottom line, talent matters. stars matters. Highly ranked classes matter. I want guys that want to be gators too as long as they dont suck. That's an all fine and well sentiment, But we play the game to win, not for feel good stories about how some 2 star grew up wanting to be a gator. I don't care. I care about winning and being competitive.

 

[T REX]

His point is coaches should recruit talent and compatibility with the program, not just look at star ratings. Star ratings are for the fans only.

Total bull**** and there are countless articles that PROVE that stars=wins. It is indisputable fact. Stop lying.