Mel Kiper on Draft Position of UF Underclassmen

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Heard Kiper on ESPN radio this morning responding to a caller from Gainesville (maybe one of you all) asking about where he sees Fowler, Humpries and Moore being drafted. Mel said Fowler could go as high as #8 to Atlanta who badly needs a pass rusher though he didn't think it likely he would be picked there. He does consider him to be a top half of the first round guy and that it's not unusual for college pass rush specialists to "take plays off"....a criticism of Fowler.

I was surprised to hear him say he viewed Humpries as a 2nd or 3rd rounder and Moore a late round pick. To me that just reinforces the reality that the NFL mindset is focused on measurables and potential and college game performance is just not that big a factor. If you look good in a t-shirt and shorts, can run and lift, they believe they can turn you into a player.
 

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We've had several players such as Nixon and Gilbert make rosters in the NFL, who played like crap in college. I know I'll catch some flack over Gilbert, but he really was just filler here.
 

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alcoholica;n152871 said:
We've had several players such as Nixon and Gilbert make rosters in the NFL, who played like crap in college. I know I'll catch some flack over Gilbert, but he really was just filler here.
i agree 100%. Replacing Watkins and Trautwein with Patchan and Gilbert was a huge downgrade from '08 to '09. I believe it was the reason that they didn't roll everyone and win a nat title. Tebow almost lost his life in Lexington. We haven't had good tackles since '08.
 

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No way Humphries goes in the 2nd round imo. The highest would be late 3rd round but I think he will probably go in the 4th or 5th round probably. Kiper is starting to remind me of those draft sites where they have way more people pegged into likely draft rounds than their is slots available.

I would be shocked if Moore is actually drafted.
 

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It doesn't help that most of these guys over inflate talent in the larger programs causing them to go pro earlier than they need to. Look at Roberson and Purofoy last year. All year they were both told they were first round picks by guys like this, had bad pro days and combines, and even though made rosters or were drafted late could have benefited from sticking around and improving. Powell is another one even though he got a 5th round pick. Maybe they just couldn't wait to get away from Muschamp.

Moore will not be drafted and if he is he will struggle to make a roster. He should have stayed and worked with summers another year because he did improve and a few of the bigger plays against him were BS like his non-holds in the FSU game that got called. Humpries will right tackle or guard in the NFL, but his injury history will work against him. He could have used another year trying to stay healthy and looking like a solid LT. Fowler is ready and will go high, which he should, but I don't think the assessment of him taking play off is wrong. There were times where he vanished from a game and then made that one highlight play to get his stock back up in the game.
 

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gingerlover;n153005 said:
All year they were both told they were first round picks by guys like this, had bad pro days and combines, and even though made rosters or were drafted late could have benefited from sticking around and improving.
They also were grenaded by the coaches, using the "football is important to this or that guy" but not saying it about them, mentioning drug issues etc. That too was reported at multiple outlets.

Roberson and Purifoy both made the depth charts. Roberson played more though.

Of course, the coaches picks have been terrible, Watkins in particular, who was moved from safety to CB but is good at neither, saw several free agents signed and moved to the depth chart, and will be cut. I guess the scouts got what they deserved for listening to Chimp and being more concerned about 40 times than game film.
 

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GatorInKnox;n153011 said:
Moore ... :rotfl:
The only team that would draft Moore is one that didn't bother to employ scouts. I've never seen anyone with worse game film, even freshmen pressed into early service. And he won't be a combine beauty queen either.

Hell, I wouldn't even draft Moore to play for the Gators another year if we had anyone with a pulse available as another option.

I'm embarrassed for him. His play made Jeff Driskel look like a gamer.
 

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A couple people were ridiculing me earlier in the year when I said that Fowler would be a top 10, possibly top 5 pick. I've seen him at #3 on a couple boards. The guy has an absolute motor.
 

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Law98gator;n153027 said:
The only team that would draft Moore is one that didn't bother to employ scouts. I've never seen anyone with worse game film, even freshmen pressed into early service. And he won't be a combine beauty queen either.

Hell, I wouldn't even draft Moore to play for the Gators another year if we had anyone with a pulse available as another option.

I'm embarrassed for him. His play made Jeff Driskel look like a gamer.

The worst staring lineman I've ever seen at UF. He was beaten on just about every play. How in the hell did he start? He and Jalapeno should start a club.
 

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I would love for someone (with more time on their hands than I have) to track all of Kiper and McShay's 'predictions' as they make them.. and then show just how accurate they are.

I'm betting they're somewhere in weatherman territory.
 

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biggator6;n153216 said:
I would love for someone (with more time on their hands than I have) to track all of Kiper and McShay's 'predictions' as they make them.. and then show just how accurate they are.

I'm betting they're somewhere in weatherman territory.

The problem with Kiper etc. as far as the first couple of rounds goes is he keeps changing his picks as the info comes in from team sources etc. so it appears decent with his final board but if you compared his initial board to the actual picks I bet it is off a lot. I think he had Johnny Football # 1 on his initial board last year.
 

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Law98gator;n153027 said:
The only team that would draft Moore is one that didn't bother to employ scouts. I've never seen anyone with worse game film, even freshmen pressed into early service. And he won't be a combine beauty queen either.

Hell, I wouldn't even draft Moore to play for the Gators another year if we had anyone with a pulse available as another option.

I'm embarrassed for him. His play made Jeff Driskel look like a gamer.

I was literally about to say that Moore leaving early "for the NFL" is equivalent to Jeff Driskel leaving early for the NFL. At least Jeff transferred to a weaker conference.
 

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GatorInKnox;n153268 said:
I was literally about to say that Moore leaving early "for the NFL" is equivalent to Jeff Driskel leaving early for the NFL. At least Jeff transferred to a weaker conference.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...-with-baseball

I kind of feel bad for Driskel in a way if that is true he was a million dollar plus bonus baby after high school if he didn't stop playing baseball when he did. He should have went back to playing right after the 2012 season. I know he got drafted late by someone but with how long it usually takes to develop into a pro in baseball I doubt he will ever make it out of the farm system now if he takes baseball up again.
 

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Gator Fever;n153344 said:
I kind of feel bad for Driskel in a way if that is true he was a million dollar plus bonus baby after high school if he didn't stop playing baseball when he did.
Mehhh.... he was drafted in the 167,000th round. I'm not buying this bonus baby crap.
 

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Law98gator;n155307 said:
Mehhh.... he was drafted in the 167,000th round. I'm not buying this bonus baby crap.

Its possible I guess as I saw a few kids in this area get around a million out of high school (neither ended up making the pros eventually either) but they were pitchers I think. For him to get drafted even late after not playing a few years shows he probably would have went a lot higher back then if he played his senior year. Regardless of what the amount would have been he screwed up big time it appears.
 

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Gator Fever;n153220 said:
The problem with Kiper etc. as far as the first couple of rounds goes is he keeps changing his picks as the info comes in from team sources etc. so it appears decent with his final board but if you compared his initial board to the actual picks I bet it is off a lot. I think he had Johnny Football # 1 on his initial board last year.
Mel kiper is awful. I'll never understand how he makes so much money. Him and mcshay are idiots. He's always wrong. I'd take draft advise from Frank caliendo impersonating Mel kiper than to take draft advise from Mel kiper
 
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Mel kiper is awful. I'll never understand how he makes so much money. Him and mcshay are idiots. He's always wrong. I'd take draft advise from Frank caliendo impersonating Mel kiper than to take draft advise from Mel kiper

He basically was basically smart enough to create a niche position of being a draft analyst as the NFL started to overtake baseball and basketball in popularityl. He's just the father of draft analytics in a way. Give him credit for being Johnny on the Spot back in the day. What I don't like about any of the draft "experts" (and media in general) is none of these guys have the balls to say "that was a horrible pick." They avoid it by going to a highlight reel and going over the players' physical measurements after a bad selection. The best they will do is write up a draft report card later. I would actually take McShay over Kiper. But that's not much a choice to have.

Can't really blame them for their mocks changing as the draft nears. Teams' needs change. While I don't these guys are worth a sh**, that's kind of an unfair criticism.
 

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I would more trust someone who has had experience as a scout or GM or something along those lines before I trust Kiper, who has none of that experience. Even someone like NFL.COM's Daniel Jeremiah who is an expert for the draft was a college scout for numerous teams, and even Mike Mayock was once offered a personnel job from the Raiders...can't say the same with Kiper. I prefer the NFL NETWORK analysts to ESPN's. [h=4][/h]
 

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Leroy Jenkins;n155679 said:
I would more trust someone who has had experience as a scout or GM or something along those lines before I trust Kiper, who has none of that experience. Even someone like NFL.COM's Daniel Jeremiah who is an expert for the draft was a college scout for numerous teams, and even Mike Mayock was once offered a personnel job from the Raiders...can't say the same with Kiper. I prefer the NFL NETWORK analysts to ESPN's.

I would agree with your thoughts here but as someone said earlier, Kiper has created a brand and been successful in establishing a niche in the industry. People are more familiar with Kiper than they are with Mayock, etc. and that gives him rating points, which are really the only things that matter to the networks.
 

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