Millennials think socialism would create a great safe space, study finds

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  1. crosscreekcooter

    crosscreekcooter Cunning Linguist

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    "Despite Millennials’ enthusiasm for socialism, they often confuse the definitions of communism and socialism"

    People usually get the kind of government they deserve. Millenials are likely to get socialism, good and hard. Expect increasing poverty and war, always the end result of socialism. I blame the federal government's involvement in education for miseducating two generations.
     
    • Scott512

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      They will be the downfall of America if they get power.
       
    • pilot-in-fla

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      I know a fair number of millenials who are hard working and ambitious just like previous generations and that groups will be competent in running things in the future. Sure, we have a larger share of slackers in the millenial generation but they are likely to just keep demonstrating against any and everything, occasionally burning and looting a Starbucks and hopefully not getting anywhere near the actual levers of power.
       
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        I do not believe in socialism, but it is not communism. And there are socialist countries that do not have increasing poverty and war, it works for them. What makes America exceptional is the innovation free enterprise provides.
        • Denmark.
        • Finland.
        • Netherlands.
        • Canada.
        • Sweden.
        • Norway.
         
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        These crazed communist lefty professors are brainwashing all these idiots.
         
      • Swamp Donkey

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        Good point. Some countries with lots of oil money and tiny populations, and Big Brother to handle the expensive stuff, do ok.
         
        • divits

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          And blond hair and blue eyes. Don't forget they all have blond hair and blue eyes.......for now. We'll see how well this whole Scandinavian utopia we keep hearing about works out in a decade from now. The cracks are already appearing.
           
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          Cmon, TGirl. Those countries are on the downward spiral too. Their taxes are so high they work three jobs to stay afloat and the Mooslims are invading and destroying their cultures as we discuss this. And they aint got the FREEdoms and guns we have to be a free society.
           
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            These countries are not socialist. For the most part, the means of production in most industries is not owned by the government. However, increasing government control of the means of production in these countries places them on the slippery slope towards socialism. These countries were extremely wealthy in the past. I stand by my statement that socialism always leads to poverty and war, but it may take some time for that to occur. Sweden is an economic basket case and a violent dangerous country to live in. Canadians run the risk of being arrested for making politically incorrect statements. The fat lady (deliciously politically incorrect phrase) has not yet sung. These countries are much poorer than they used to be and as the standard of living decreases, the ruling classes will have no choice but to increase violence and war to keep people in line.

            Socialist always hate Communists. I suppose that is for the same reason ugly people hate looking in the mirror. The differences between socialism and communism are a matter of degree. Remember that Hitler considered himself a Socialist (Nazi = National Socialist) and hated Communists. The only route to peace and prosperity is free markets. Yes, that leads to inequality because people are individuals and therefore inherently unequal. Equality is anti-human. See Harrison Bergeron by Kurt Vonnegut.
             
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              The places I cited get the big brother money from the people not oil. They have very high taxes not something I would want, but they are willing to for the various safety nets it provides. For them it works. But you do not see the innovation and world changing advances the US produces on all fronts. I am merely saying communism does not work, ever, socialism can.
               
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              I)Socialism is a precursor to communism.

              II)The aforementioned countries have little or no army. Britain, the USA and others spend their treasure keeping people as free as possible around the world. They are basically on welfare and don't even keep up their UN dues. To make matters worse they proselytise and gripe about the hand that feeds them.
               
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                They exploit all their natural resources. Oil, timber, fisheries, ore, all of it. If you don’t think North Sea oil funds Denmark’s social programs (directly and indirectly) you are ignorant of their economic system.

                Small, homogeneous populations exploiting massive natural resources has been their formula.

                Under that formula, you can have a welfare state if you tightly control your borders and rely on other nations for defense and innovation.

                Many still have tight immigration controls to preserve their welfare state. Then there’s Sweden, currently the rape capital of Europe. It is falling apart where they have allowed too much immigration.

                Alex.
                 
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                  You seem to imply that the people in these countries are willing to pay high taxes in order to have safety nets. I do not think this is accurate. The majority of people voting for the high taxes are either non-productive or minimally productive and therefore pay very little if any taxes. I would dare say that most people paying high taxes in these countries (as in our country) resent having their money stolen from them by politicos who use their money to buy votes and increase their power. There are a small number of "elites" who are very happy to pay the high taxes because they are able to manipulate government policies to enrich themselves.

                  Actually, I do see the world-changing advances the US produces. Those innovations are directly related to the amount of economic freedom permitted our citizens. Computers and electronics have had very few government controls and the results are phenomenal. Medicine has not had significant advancement in treating chronic diseases (diabetes, obesity, autoimmune, dementia). The death rate from cancer has not gone down despite 45 years and hundreds of billions of dollars spent on Nixon's war on cancer. I will say that acute medical problems, such as trauma and heart attacks, are treated fantastically in this country. This is because the government policies have emphasized acute care. Government policy benefits Big Pharma and Hospital chains, to the detriment of most patients.

                  We disagree when you say Socialism can work. Based on my reading and study of Austrian Economics it cannot work because without free markets it is impossible to know the real prices, and thus impossible to plan. I am curious about why you think Socialism can work while Communism cannot. What is the difference between Communism and Socialism that makes you think this?
                   
                  • GatorTruth133

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                    I could be wrong, but the big brother comment was more about the US taking care of a lot of their country's defense bill...And I'm going to add that at least Denmark's leader has said Americans should stop using them as a socialism utopia. They are moving more and more to a capitalist system since what they were doing wasn't working.
                     
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                      I have friends who live there, engineers. You are wrong. I am not saying it works here but they love it and fork over a good deal of their income for taxes, because they believe, and buy into this way of life. You are just wrong. They are from Denmark to be specific.
                       
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                      I assume your engineer friends are at the upper level of the socio-economic strata. They probably work either for government or for companies that directly benefit from government. Also, they believe the propaganda that has been fed to the masses for the past 50 years. They and their countrymen have no way of knowing their standard of living is lower than it would be in a free-market economy.
                       
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                      2 more moving from Europe to US at my company.
                       
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                      I used to work in a workplace that had dozens of Brits, Canadians and people from all over the world. The ones who actually worked were VERY resentful of their systems.....During the 2008-2010 period some of them would almost attack me saying "what are you doing, you're f vcking up you're life by voting Obama and his Global Socialistic system into power here"....They thought that all working Americans had voted for him...I've always been conservative and voted that way I would tell them and they would shake their heads and say "you poor bast@rd, I feel sorry for you because you're country is going to be like everywhere in Europe/Canada now".....I never really paid a lot of attention to politics until then but they were spot on about the direction we were going in....I just wonder how many Left leaning people view the voting ballot as a popularity contest....
                       

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