Mullen’s scheme

[JDW]

So ur saying that the Tebow teams were one demensional? He runs the same offense...the Dak Prescott MSU was a mirror image of the Tebow days...and yeah y’all arguing semantics and inferring things based on a post are rather infuriating at times...I never said anything but that it all came together in 06...whether the defense was great or not that wasn’t the issue...he put players in positions to succeed was my point

 

[TheDouglas78]

It’s all ball control is all I was getting at

Muschamp was all ball control... how did that work out for us. Butters was a run heavy ball control offense... it worked out so well.

 

[Tay Bang]

Your continuing assertion that Mullen runs a run-heavy offense confuses me when I look at Dak Prescott's passing stats below. Roughly 300 yards a game his Junior and Senior years. Please enlighten me.


Passing

• * indicates bowl stats included

Passing
Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate
*2012 Mississippi State SEC FR QB 12 18 29 62.1 194 6.7 9.4 4 0 163.8
*2013 Mississippi State SEC FR QB 11 156 267 58.4 1940 7.3 6.8 10 7 126.6
*2014 Mississippi State SEC JR QB 13 244 396 61.6 3449 8.7 8.8 27 11 151.7
*2015 Mississippi State SEC SR QB 13 316 477 66.2 3793 8.0 8.7 29 5 151.0
Career Mississippi State 734 1169 62.8 9376 8.0 8.3 70 23 146.0

 

[MJMGator]

Really? What were our offensive numbers in 2004 vs 2005?

Did you watch football back then?

He "improved us" from 426 yards a game in 2004 to 373 yards a game in 2005? Solid work.
2004 Florida Gators Stats | College Football at Sports-Reference.com
2005 Florida Gators Stats | College Football at Sports-Reference.com

Or most of 2006 when the headlines were "whats wrong w Gators offense?"

Our defense and STs got MUCH better from 2004 to 2005, though.

You gotta attribute a ton of that to installing a new scheme with players not built for it.

 

[TheDouglas78]

Your continuing assertion that Mullen runs a run-heavy offense confuses me when I look at Dak Prescott's passing stats below. Roughly 300 yards a game his Junior and Senior years. Please enlighten me.


Passing

• * indicates bowl stats included

Passing
Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate
*2012 Mississippi State SEC FR QB 12 18 29 62.1 194 6.7 9.4 4 0 163.8
*2013 Mississippi State SEC FR QB 11 156 267 58.4 1940 7.3 6.8 10 7 126.6
*2014 Mississippi State SEC JR QB 13 244 396 61.6 3449 8.7 8.8 27 11 151.7
*2015 Mississippi State SEC SR QB 13 316 477 66.2 3793 8.0 8.7 29 5 151.0
Career Mississippi State 734 1169 62.8 9376 8.0 8.3 70 23 146.0

2014 pass attempts 423 rush attempts 578
2015 pass attempts 500 rush attempts 427

2015 was the only one of those two they were a pass first team... but they knew what they had at QB and RB that year. Prescott had to take over.

 

[InstiGATOR1]

I guess my point is with that system you aren't going to be having offensive breakouts against better talent too much like you get occasionally with other types of offenses.

Well I guess I would counter that Spurrier's system was awfully good, but it worked much better at UF with a positive talent gap than at Duke or SoCar and the same goes for Saban at Mich State, LSU compared to UAL.

 

[MJMGator]

The talent gap is nonexistent now...except against the cupcakes. We’re actually at a disadvantage in talent against 4-5 teams on our schedule now days.

 

[GatorJB]

Mullen's offense has only been above average if he has a 240# QB who can both throw and run over LB's. That or play Ohio St in the national championship.

 

[InstiGATOR1]

Fact is time of possession with a dink and dunk run heavy offense is the best way a championship prototype team wins...that’s why Big12 teams and chip Kelly Oregon fizzle out against a good offense with a higher caliber defense...and you can look at any team and give me a table or list or any other type of schematic but the fact is Brady and Bama doesn’t win or light up the scoreboard with a long ball heavy offense...it’s a run heavy TOP ball control scheme

Just a reminder of how long it has been since Spurrier was at UF and how many fans apparently never watched a Spurrier coached UF team.

 

[-THE DUDE-]

In my opinion, Mullen's style of offense is ideal for college football, as it emphasizes creating matchups for strong players. In college football, the skill gap between players is more varied than in the NFL where everyone is more evenly matched across teams.

My only concern is that a lot of bluechips who want to play in the NFL, want to play pro-style. But you can't play good pro-style unless all of your players are NFL caliber and can execute consistently i.e. Alabama, maybe UGA, and definitely not us under Mac.

What exactly do you mean by pro-style? That term is outdated for what it used to mean. The NFL has adapted to much of the same style of offense ran in college. Majority are shotgun spread offenses that rely heavily on RPO just like most colleges.

 

[T REX]

Pumping some sunshine into your first paragraph, that statistic could be a good thing. It shows consistency of performance in relation to on field talent. Here at Florida, he might have what he needs to beat more people.

Consistency?

 

[Tay Bang]

2014 pass attempts 423 rush attempts 578
2015 pass attempts 500 rush attempts 427

2015 was the only one of those two they were a pass first team... but they knew what they had at QB and RB that year. Prescott had to take over.

My point exactly. Why is Mullen not capable of producing another 2014/2015 Prescott at the University of Florida? A guy that throws for an average of 300 ypg, with some real running backs behind him?

 

[alcoholica]

The one thing I like about Mullen is that it appears he can recruit QBs here. He’ll need that for his offense. He’ll also need them to be able to pass if he expects to beat the Bama’s of the world. Even with a spread formation, you can still commit 8 to the run.

 

[gatormandan]

My point exactly. Why is Mullen not capable of producing another 2014/2015 Prescott at the University of Florida? A guy that throws for an average of 300 ypg, with some real running backs behind him?

Well....its 26 days away from game time and we just had one QB who learned to check down. So, 300 ypg might be a ways off.

 

[JDW]

Just a reminder of how long it has been since Spurrier was at UF and how many fans apparently never watched a Spurrier coached UF team.

I remember the spurrier offense I also remember that he had a great defense to go along with it...most air raid offenses don’t have that except the couple years TCU had a passable defense

 

[Tay Bang]

Well....its 26 days away from game time and we just had one QB who learned to check down. So, 300 ypg might be a ways off.

Without a doubt. It won't be one of the Sophomores. One of the Jones' hopefully. This year will not be pretty.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

You gotta attribute a ton of that to installing a new scheme with players not built for it.

I agree but I didnt make the assertion about Mullinz doing great things with Zooker's 5 star and first in the SEC offense.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

My point exactly. Why is Mullen not capable of producing another 2014/2015 Prescott at the University of Florida? A guy that throws for an average of 300 ypg, with some real running backs behind him?

Is he capable? Yes, once or twice a decade he does it.

 

[Swamp Donkey]

Fact is time of possession with a dink and dunk run heavy offense is the best way a championship prototype team wins...

No that isnt a fact at all. And it isnt at all what, say Clemson does. What is a fact is that there are many incompetent ADs who hire Saban or Meyer assistants so you get tight azz conservative offenses just like they run.

It is why the entire SEC east is shyt. They keep hiring morons who think time of possession is more important than points.