Not sure I’m happy about this...

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  1. URGatorBait

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    • AugustaGator

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      When did you get access to the president to present your pardon request? Sounds like a king to me.
       
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      Pssst... pssst.... Every pardon and commutation ever by every President ever is because someone presented the request to the President.

      OK, to be fair, let’s say 99.99% we’re presented.

      At least so far, it would appear that most (if not all) of Trump’s pardons/commutations have made sense and are not the Mark Rich variety.

      One more thing, the Framers of the Constitution actually think that this power was Kinglike and they debated it and kept it in as a Kinglike power with the exception of in the case of impeachment. Pinckney was instrumental in it.
       
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        Exactly. We'll see if these players are doing something faddish, or whether any of them actually know of specific cases of what they consider unfairness such that a conviction should be overturned. I Imagine any case that is brought will be thoroughly vetted, and the evidence will be published. The entire country will see whether these players have legitimate gripes or not. The strategy is reality-oriented, and it's getting down to the nuts and bolts of what these NFL celebrities are complaining about. I'll bet all my Ox bucks that there won't be more than one or two legitimate case of reversible unfairness, that at most a handful of players know about. The great majority of these kneeling players will be shown to be the asshat grand-standing sheep that they are. Disagree? Consider the "look at me" touchdown celebrations. That's what the kneeling has been about all this time.

         
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          Executive pardons exist to right injustice. They are part of the rule of law. Had he decreed this authority upon himself then it would be as you suggest.
           
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          I am aware of this, but what direction is this heading?
           
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          It is access to the president that is in question, that and how the common man perceives...the ones that are not *****ing now.
           
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          The same it’s been on for 240 years. You act like something has changed other than that Trump is being transparent about it
           
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          Being used as negotiation tool. once you cross a taboo, others will push the envelope. Let's see.
           
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          Better a negotiating tool than a favor. Maybe this is change for the better.
           
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          I'm not sure I have a problem with this, per se. They are kneeling because they say they have a grievance with the justice system. They've made that grievance very public - so they obviously believe there are people inside of prison that don't belong there, right? Trump is giving them an opportunity to actually do something about it. The truth, as most everyone is aware by now, is this has been nothing but a weak-sauce virtue signal circle jerk. The justice system isn't perfect, but most of the people incarcerated belong there. The media won't allow that angle of this to get play - but he's offering a conversation. They don't want to have it because it only bring attention to the baselessness of their charges.

          I see this as another Trump "sweep the leg!" move.
           
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            The Art of the Deal.
             
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            You think selling pardons for campaign contributions (and a piece of ass) wasn't pushing the envelope?

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            Is it just me or does the Ole Bag just have an eye for a great rack?

            Hell, even the NYT thought it was preposterous.
            https://www.nytimes.com/2001/01/24/opinion/an-indefensible-pardon.html
             
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              I thought the protest was about police beating up or shooting black people too often without real cause.......... Not people in jail...........
               
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                Well considering that cause is completely made up, statistically speaking, I thought it was a nod to their other complaints coach.

                https://policy.m4bl.org/end-war-on-black-people/

                Honestly, coach - if you're going to sympathize with a cause you should know a little something about the horrible human beings you're providing political cover to.
                 
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                  I think you're right, Coach. I would alter my comments only to say that they need to bring evidence of unfair convictions and/or of police improperly hitting or shooting people. My point is that these incidents been already been investigated and publicized. I don't expect any of these players to bring any such matter for the table that hasn't been investigated and publicized. If they do, then it needs to be reported to the police immediately, and I would ask why hasn't that already been done. The kneeling is grandstanding, and it's what I call the cheap and easy way to get some attention while looking like conscientious social justice warriors, all the while on their employers' dime.
                   
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                    Pretty sure this has always existed.

                    The question is what is it's purpose? To right a wrong or to be used in politics/negotiations.

                    I do not disagree there needs to be discussion (analysis) on justice (& legislative) system. My concern is how the pardon is being used & perceived.

                    What is the current trend in pardon requests, etc?
                     
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                    I do not think you are addressing their concerns. The concerns are not that the people are innocent, but rather selective enforcement and excessive response are putting people of color in a significantly bad position. This is what should be address and not pardons.
                     
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                    This thread is the first I've heard of this, but I do agree it is shrewd and smart, and returns transparency to the pardon process. I love it. And as others have stated in the thread, I sincerely doubt the 'look at me' players that protested will have much if anything to bring to the President for review. The ones that do, only strengthen Trump's position of being a reasonable President to review such cases. The ones that don't, look like attention seeking metoos. And for all those people needing someone to represent them to the President, they now have a league full of people to which they can plead their case for attention.

                    Rather than the players telling the President to 'do something', Trump has now put it on the players to 'do something'.
                     
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