Phil Steel projects UF nation's most improved

Discussion in 'Main Sports Forum' started by jhbyrd, Jun 13, 2018.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. TheDouglas78

    TheDouglas78 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2014
    Messages:
    10,059
    Oxbucks:
    $2,164
    Ratings:
    +5,360 / -61
    2nd Team WR, 3rd team RS..... forgot to point that out? Pre-Season awards are for potential, post season awards are about production. His only post season award All American return specialist 2015. Obviously you believe we need more of those sub 50 yards receiving games from a #1 receiver.

    A junior planning to go pro in August doesn't mean schit in October and November. So you are trusting "our" new trainer from the S&C that got fired. I also said complete back, you only mentioned his running ability to break tackles. Not avoid tackles, not block , etc.... If we was such a great prospect why doesn't listed on any top 25 backs in the NCAA before his suspension. In May the sporting news didn't have him listed in the top 40. Seems you are going off emotion of some fluff articles.

    100 meter dash is how we are comparing football players... are you fcking kidding me By that comparison Emmitt Smith would be one of the worst RB's in the history of UF. How did the football careers of John Capel and Jeff Demps? Again using a stat that doesn't mean schit to football to fluff up your point.

    So we are saying the potential that he might get the most snaps of an early enrollee could potentially help our team. That is your argument. That a true freshman OT might potentially help the team? Not saying that losing a 4* big boy isn't a blow, but depending on a true freshman OT with a quarterback who held on to the ball too long, or the other one with a pea shooter for an arm wasn't going to change our issues. Telfort wasn't going to start, he might have by the end of the season due to our S&C, but what effect really would he have had against the meat of our SEC schedule?


    So a 3* linebacker, was the difference in the defense... really? How many positions does this player play again?


    Before you start with emotions, please tell me where in the data is emotion. You seem to take fluff pieces and use emotion to determine their production from potential. But we have had a number of players come through with potential that lacked production. You're break downs are as if you casually watch football, never played, never coached, never cared to learn more than I can drink while watching. Your homerism has blinded you from the product you were watching on the field.
     
    • Swamp Donkey

      Swamp Donkey Piehole stuffed douchebag
      Lifetime Member

      Joined:
      Jun 9, 2014
      Messages:
      37,853
      Oxbucks:
      $17,330
      Ratings:
      +41,524 / -1,395
      How many rings did Weis have?

      Watching someone else be a championship coach has no bearing on what kind of coach his assistants will be.
       
    • jhbyrd

      jhbyrd Well-Known Member

      Joined:
      Apr 17, 2018
      Messages:
      1,061
      Oxbucks:
      $343
      Ratings:
      +342 / -203
      I was incorrect on that. My bad. The AP votes on it.
      https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/sec-football/every-coach-needs-win-sec-coach-year/

      Not true on Zook. He was always a transition coach to me. Top tier recruiter but dumb enough to fire.
       
      #83 jhbyrd, Jun 14, 2018
      Last edited: Jun 14, 2018
    • Jack o' Diamonds

      Jack o' Diamonds My mind is made up, don't confuse me with facts...
      Lifetime Member

      Joined:
      Aug 29, 2015
      Messages:
      620
      Oxbucks:
      $683
      Ratings:
      +884 / -9
      Didn't we have this same thread 2-3 other times?
       
      • jhbyrd

        jhbyrd Well-Known Member

        Joined:
        Apr 17, 2018
        Messages:
        1,061
        Oxbucks:
        $343
        Ratings:
        +342 / -203
        Losing 3 NFL players alone can make a difference in a close game.
         
      • Ancient Reptile

        Ancient Reptile Senior Member

        Joined:
        Mar 4, 2015
        Messages:
        3,503
        Oxbucks:
        $1,645
        Ratings:
        +2,297 / -125
        Are you saying that it is impossible to see Mac for the failure he was and still believe that several top players might have made a difference in a couple of close games?
         
      • jhbyrd

        jhbyrd Well-Known Member

        Joined:
        Apr 17, 2018
        Messages:
        1,061
        Oxbucks:
        $343
        Ratings:
        +342 / -203
        Weis won a lot of games with top developed talent. He like Mac was not good at recruiting and developing talent.
         
      • Swamp Donkey

        Swamp Donkey Piehole stuffed douchebag
        Lifetime Member

        Joined:
        Jun 9, 2014
        Messages:
        37,853
        Oxbucks:
        $17,330
        Ratings:
        +41,524 / -1,395
        Zero chance. He wasn't going to throw anything but screen passes and run draw plays on second regardless.
         
      • jhbyrd

        jhbyrd Well-Known Member

        Joined:
        Apr 17, 2018
        Messages:
        1,061
        Oxbucks:
        $343
        Ratings:
        +342 / -203
        I am saying that 3 NFL players could have made a difference in the close games. I agree that he did fail long term. He won with developed talent but did not develop talent well himself or recruit well.
         
      • jhbyrd

        jhbyrd Well-Known Member

        Joined:
        Apr 17, 2018
        Messages:
        1,061
        Oxbucks:
        $343
        Ratings:
        +342 / -203
        Is that all he did year one? He upset UT and Ole Miss by throwing to Callaway who was missing in the close losses last year.
         
        #90 jhbyrd, Jun 14, 2018
        Last edited: Jun 14, 2018
      • Ancient Reptile

        Ancient Reptile Senior Member

        Joined:
        Mar 4, 2015
        Messages:
        3,503
        Oxbucks:
        $1,645
        Ratings:
        +2,297 / -125
        No slight intended, donkey, but I asked Ox because he is usually rational.
         
      • Ancient Reptile

        Ancient Reptile Senior Member

        Joined:
        Mar 4, 2015
        Messages:
        3,503
        Oxbucks:
        $1,645
        Ratings:
        +2,297 / -125
        I know your position; I was asking Ox.
         
      • jhbyrd

        jhbyrd Well-Known Member

        Joined:
        Apr 17, 2018
        Messages:
        1,061
        Oxbucks:
        $343
        Ratings:
        +342 / -203
        No problem.
         
      • TheDouglas78

        TheDouglas78 Well-Known Member

        Joined:
        Jun 12, 2014
        Messages:
        10,059
        Oxbucks:
        $2,164
        Ratings:
        +5,360 / -61
        so now you change your argument again. Other than Callaway which of the other 8 are currently on an NFL roster?
         
      • '78

        '78 Dazed and Confused
        Lifetime Member

        Joined:
        Jun 9, 2014
        Messages:
        11,678
        Oxbucks:
        $7,010
        Ratings:
        +12,949 / -344
        Most things just go right over.
         
        • jhbyrd

          jhbyrd Well-Known Member

          Joined:
          Apr 17, 2018
          Messages:
          1,061
          Oxbucks:
          $343
          Ratings:
          +342 / -203
          No change as it is the same players.
          Since you are not objective about talent I show you what NFL experts think (money talks). Harris 6th round and signed, Scarlett is ranked the #6 RB out of 155 backs for the 2019 draft. Callaway 4 th round and would have been higher without moral issues. Callaway himself made a difference in the UT upset as a freshman.

          Any objective person would say 3 NFL caliber players added could make a difference in a close game.
           
        • GatorJB

          GatorJB Senior Member
          Lifetime Member

          Joined:
          Jun 12, 2014
          Messages:
          2,042
          Oxbucks:
          $520
          Ratings:
          +1,993 / -10
          The offense stunk the previous years with Scarlett and Calloway so their presence never made a difference in offensive production. Yes, they may have contributed late in some close games, but our defense was in such bad shape, they really wouldn't have made that big of a difference in the win/loss column. We were doomed to have a bad season before the credit cards simply because Muschamp's players were mostly gone and we had a bunch of inexperienced Mac 3 star specials replacing them, not to mentioned the out-of-shape weak players and some of the worst assistants in the SEC on the sidelines. Mac was lucky to win even 4 games last year. With those players and no hurricane they maybe win 5 games. Big deal.

          The fact that anyone, including those related to Butters, is defending him as a coach is absurd.
          [​IMG]
           
          • jhbyrd

            jhbyrd Well-Known Member

            Joined:
            Apr 17, 2018
            Messages:
            1,061
            Oxbucks:
            $343
            Ratings:
            +342 / -203
            I said he failed as a coach long term and is a terrible recruiter and developer of talent but he was the missing players like this one below who could have made a difference in his close games last season.

             
          • Durfish

            Durfish Feed me!
            Lifetime Member

            Joined:
            Nov 13, 2017
            Messages:
            1,114
            Oxbucks:
            $889
            Ratings:
            +2,036 / -13
            Ya know, just when you start to think Byrd isn't all that crazy, this thread happens.
            Sheesh.
             
            • '78

              '78 Dazed and Confused
              Lifetime Member

              Joined:
              Jun 9, 2014
              Messages:
              11,678
              Oxbucks:
              $7,010
              Ratings:
              +12,949 / -344
              You have to admire his willingness to get right back up and be pummeled into submission again.
               
              Thread Status:
              Not open for further replies.

              Share This Page

              The Box

              Help

              You don't have the necessary permissions to use the chat.

                1. There are currently no users chatting.
                  • About Us

                    Our community sprung up when the Gatorsports message board was shut down in the summer of 2014. We pride ourselves on offering Gator-biased, yet critical discussion among people of all different backgrounds. We are working every day to make sure our community is the best Gator message board you will find.
                  • Like us on Facebook

                  • Buy us a Zima!

                    The management works very hard to make sure the community is running the best software, best designs, and all the other bells and whistles. Care to buy us a non-alcoholic Zima? We'd really appreciate it! Just click the "Donate" tab at the top of the page.